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Re: Porzingis + 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie, Bertans 

Post#81 » by doclinkin » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:51 pm

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I have the sneaky feeling they are contemplating keeping Bryant...hopefully for a reduced rate...say $5-7 mn/year...


That would be a waste.



A waste of money. Gafford is the starter, KP can play stretch 5, Kuzma can play small-ball 5. Just sign a vet big who is content with no play time (or keep Carey) like RLO.


Dunno. Fans should bear in mind that Bryant is still recovering from a year lay-off and an injury. His mobility wasn't great to begin with, but more than anything your timing will suffer until you get back into rhythm. If you sign him at a discount, and manage his minutes, you have a low-cost asset with upside. You are banking on his work ethic and energy to rehab his value. Then he is not only a useful sub for Porzingis (on the 20-30 games per year he sits) but a cheap asset. To me this exactly the sort of move the squad should do to steal assets at low cost if Ted forces them to re-sign a beta-star at an over-valued contract.
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Post#82 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:21 pm

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queridiculo wrote:
That would be a waste.



A waste of money. Gafford is the starter, KP can play stretch 5, Kuzma can play small-ball 5. Just sign a vet big who is content with no play time (or keep Carey) like RLO.


Dunno. Fans should bear in mind that Bryant is still recovering from a year lay-off and an injury. His mobility wasn't great to begin with, but more than anything your timing will suffer until you get back into rhythm. If you sign him at a discount, and manage his minutes, you have a low-cost asset with upside. You are banking on his work ethic and energy to rehab his value. Then he is not only a useful sub for Porzingis (on the 20-30 games per year he sits) but a cheap asset. To me this exactly the sort of move the squad should do to steal assets at low cost if Ted forces them to re-sign a beta-star at an over-valued contract.

Also, I can't remember if it was Unseld or Sheppard that said that Porz is going to allow them to use all kinds of different lineups - I inferred that to mean they're going to try some double-big lineups, though I could be wrong. But if I'm right, I could see them using Gafford some at the 4 defensively - as a weak-side shot-blocker. Offensively, both Porz and Bryant can play some 4.
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Post#84 » by Dat2U » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:40 pm

If this trade was posted on the trade board 2 days ago, the OP would have been ridiculed and the thread locked lol.
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Post#85 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:46 pm

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spaceman_E wrote:Incredible deal. In related news, wtf is Dallas doing

They have a long thread on the trade in the Dallas forum - they were so perplexed for the most part - I feel bad for them. Their management has done such a poor job of building around Doncic.


I get the feeling Doncic is a bit of a d+ck as a teammate. Coach killer, prima donna, needs the ball to do what he does. Yeah he will pass the ball, but if a team is built around him it has to be built around HIM, and may not work as well if he is out, or off, or injured and playing through it.

I agree.

It's a shame. I really liked Doncic in his first couple of years, but he seems to have gotten too big for his britches. I find him pretty unlikeable now. He complains to the ref on every single possession.
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Re: Porzingis + 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie, Bertans 

Post#86 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:51 pm

doclinkin wrote:
mhd wrote:
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That would be a waste.



A waste of money. Gafford is the starter, KP can play stretch 5, Kuzma can play small-ball 5. Just sign a vet big who is content with no play time (or keep Carey) like RLO.


Dunno. Fans should bear in mind that Bryant is still recovering from a year lay-off and an injury. His mobility wasn't great to begin with, but more than anything your timing will suffer until you get back into rhythm. If you sign him at a discount, and manage his minutes, you have a low-cost asset with upside. You are banking on his work ethic and energy to rehab his value. Then he is not only a useful sub for Porzingis (on the 20-30 games per year he sits) but a cheap asset. To me this exactly the sort of move the squad should do to steal assets at low cost if Ted forces them to re-sign a beta-star at an over-valued contract.

Fair point, but one must also consider the off-court impact. It's good for chemistry to have two centers who both expect time, and a 3rd center who knows he is the 3rd stringer and only expects to play if there are injuries or foul trouble. I don't see any of Porzingis, Gafford or Bryant being willing to accept the 3rd stringer role. Better to get an aging vet like Robin Lopez or Taj Gibson, or a young guy who doesn't feel entitled, like Vernon Carey (if he can play at all).

Is there any way we can reacquire Mo Wagner?
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Post#87 » by mhd » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:55 pm

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doclinkin wrote:
mhd wrote:

A waste of money. Gafford is the starter, KP can play stretch 5, Kuzma can play small-ball 5. Just sign a vet big who is content with no play time (or keep Carey) like RLO.


Dunno. Fans should bear in mind that Bryant is still recovering from a year lay-off and an injury. His mobility wasn't great to begin with, but more than anything your timing will suffer until you get back into rhythm. If you sign him at a discount, and manage his minutes, you have a low-cost asset with upside. You are banking on his work ethic and energy to rehab his value. Then he is not only a useful sub for Porzingis (on the 20-30 games per year he sits) but a cheap asset. To me this exactly the sort of move the squad should do to steal assets at low cost if Ted forces them to re-sign a beta-star at an over-valued contract.

Fair point, but one must also consider the off-court impact. It's good for chemistry to have two centers who both expect time, and a 3rd center who knows he is the 3rd stringer and only expects to play if there are injuries or foul trouble. I don't see any of Porzingis, Gafford or Bryant being willing to accept the 3rd stringer role. Better to get an aging vet like Robin Lopez or Taj Gibson, or a young guy who doesn't feel entitled.

Any way we can reacquire Mo Wagner?


Yeah. Gaff is going to play with his contract. KP plays as long as he is healthy. Kuzma/Rui/Deni will also get small-ball C minutes. RLO is an example of a great vet who is content to sit, but is professional enough to play when called upon. I'd love to have him back. He'd give us some needed size. Bryant wants to go where he'll get PT. It won't be here. My guess is that OKC may look his way as a cheap reclamation project.

Orlando probably keeps swaggy Mo simply because Franz is on the team. Might as well keep your prized rookie happy. Mo seems like a good guy and a good chemistry guy. I liked him, but I don't see the Orlando FO cutting him.

Heck, we may (depending on how the draft goes) take a big as BPA. There just isn't room for Bryant IMO.
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Post#88 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:09 pm

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This was a win-win trade for both teams.

Getting rid of Davis B was additionby subtraction.. at this point.

Here is a subtle nuance that I think very few people understand: He is still very much the lotvian laser and he might help Dallas win a championship the same way deshawn Stevenson helped them when one years ago.

In the middle of one of my rants I might have mentioned how the wizards have helped Dallas in the past and with that we needed to go back and make them a trade partner and the wizards just so happened to make them a tray partner. .. Gonna be hell a typos cause I'm in the hell hurry

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So we get 2 addition by subtraction players plus a second round pick that we actuallyGame gameGame like as an add to our tallyI gained weightWe actually gained a second round pic

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Post#89 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:16 pm

nate33 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
Ruzious wrote:They have a long thread on the trade in the Dallas forum - they were so perplexed for the most part - I feel bad for them. Their management has done sWuch a poor job of building around Doncic.


I get the feeling Doncic is a bit of a d+ck as a teammate. Coach killer, prima donna, needs the ball to do what he does. Yeah he will pass the ball, but if a team is built around him it has to be built around HIM, and may not work as well if he is out, or off, or injured and playing through it.

I agree.

It's a shame. I really liked Doncic in his first couple of years, but he seems to have gotten to big for his britches. I find him pretty unlikeable now. He complains to the ref on every single possession.



Sounds pretty similar to our situation with Beal. :cry:
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Post#90 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 12:03 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
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doclinkin wrote:
I get the feeling Doncic is a bit of a d+ck as a teammate. Coach killer, prima donna, needs the ball to do what he does. Yeah he will pass the ball, but if a team is built around him it has to be built around HIM, and may not work as well if he is out, or off, or injured and playing through it.

I agree.

It's a shame. I really liked Doncic in his first couple of years, but he seems to have gotten to big for his britches. I find him pretty unlikeable now. He complains to the ref on every single possession.



Sounds pretty similar to our situation with Beal. :cry:

Sadly, I was thinking the same thing as I made my post.
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Post#91 » by Frichuela » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:11 am

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Post#93 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:26 am

nate33 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
nate33 wrote:I agree.

It's a shame. I really liked Doncic in his first couple of years, but he seems to have gotten to big for his britches. I find him pretty unlikeable now. He complains to the ref on every single possession.



Sounds pretty similar to our situation with Beal. :cry:

Sadly, I was thinking the same thing as I made my post.


I too thought the same when reading nate's post.

I feel like it would behoove some of these prima donnas that have never made a foul in their live to watch a debate team when they give concessions. It makes you look at least some what credible and you may just get the benefit of the doubt here and there.
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Post#94 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:28 am

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I think we would all have been better not having watched that.
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Post#95 » by Frichuela » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:49 am

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
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I think we would all have been better not having watched that.


:lol:

Here goes another one: Porzingis is in the House!

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Post#96 » by nate33 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 1:52 am

Man, he sure seems happy to be out of Dallas!
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Post#97 » by Jay81 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:55 am

nate33 wrote:Man, he sure seems happy to be out of Dallas!
There is no way he plays 45 games a year with us. He is really good but his career is nearly over :(
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Post#98 » by Jay81 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 3:58 am

Yikes...kp and wizards staff. Same staff who just misdiagnosed beals injury
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Post#99 » by FAH1223 » Sat Feb 12, 2022 4:15 am

Jay81 wrote:
nate33 wrote:Man, he sure seems happy to be out of Dallas!
There is no way he plays 45 games a year with us. He is really good but his career is nearly over :(


Is there a chronic injury that we're not aware of?

They need to just load manage him.
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Post#100 » by Dat2U » Sat Feb 12, 2022 5:01 am

Can't wait to see the Wizards KKK front court with Kentavious, Kyle & Kristaps!

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