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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#81 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:08 am


DCZards said:

If getting Ace meant trading 6 & 18 to Charlotte, then I think the Zards made out very well by not making that trade and drafting Tre and Riley instead.


I was upset when people told me they wanted to move 6 and 18 to move up to 3 spots.

It seemed OUTRAGEOUS to me to assume pick #3 would automatically become a better player than would pick #6. I REMEMBER TELLING ... you guys that I thought #6 Damian Lillard might be better than #3 Bradley Beal. Trade down for Lillard.

But my point is, don't trade two firsts for one. #18 could be a stud. # 6 could be better than #3.

The Wizards got two useful players instead of one. WILL BAILEY BECOME A SUPERSTAR? I don't know.

Maybe the Wizards drafted an All-Star.

Time will tell.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#82 » by jangles86 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:10 am

Watkins is a dawg
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#83 » by doclinkin » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:34 am

GoGo got a beast. If he fights his way onto the roster, fine. But meanwhile Amber Heard has another junkyard dawg to scrap in the yard and test the top talent.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#84 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:42 am

Watkins is fine as a defender and athlete, but they will need to move Kispert for him just to get spot minutes. Either way, they have a million wings and that's not the worst way to go. It's all about Tre and what they turn the vets into. Next year's draft seems loaded so I'd like at least one lottery pick and 2 FRPs.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#85 » by Jay81 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:43 am

Real gm hornets had a crazy meltdown when kon knipple got picked lol
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#86 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:49 am

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#87 » by AFM » Fri Jun 27, 2025 2:54 am

80sballboy wrote:Good luck!
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I'm gonna be honest those shooting splits aren't exactly inspiring confidence.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#88 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:09 am

80sballboy wrote:Good luck!
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#89 » by machu46 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:41 am

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80sballboy wrote:Good luck!
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I'm gonna be honest those shooting splits aren't exactly inspiring confidence.
He's not a good shooter. Was IMO the best player on a stacked high school team though and was a major difference maker as a freshman for Syracuse. Probably the best player we've had in the last handful of years. Could get lazy here and there but had elite hands on defense and was a very good passer. Wasn't a mainstream idea, but he had some of the draft twitter folks thinking he could be a potential lottery pick.

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#90 » by Kanyewest » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:14 am

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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#91 » by The Consiglieri » Fri Jun 27, 2025 4:50 am

Dat2U wrote:I wanted draft & stash candidate Bogoljub Markovic. I really like the offensive upside but he'll need to get stronger and show more defensively for teams to buy in to his development.


He was #1 for me too, and then 1 of the Australian dudes and another guy I forgot.

I just don't see the value in this at all. Trust Hollinger I guess? And the FSU argument is a decent one, the team was indeed a mess (for FSU fans, the covid shut down destroyed the best Basketball Team they ever built, even better than the Cassell/Sura days, and that program has fallen off slowly but surely since). I hear the arguments that he will be a ferocious <expletive> potentially in practice, but lets be straight here, the 43rd pick is an asset, and I am not using top 40 or 50 picks on guys to throw at real prospects in practice in order to get said kiddo's ---- together, I hire coaches to do that, and I can sign vets like Smart to do that. What does a player that couldn't carry Tre Johnson's jock really do for him? He's not gonna intimidate him in the way a champion might, or a legit stud vet might etc.

I would rather the pick be used on something tangible with potential long term upside. The defense provides possibilities and covid and deciding to go back to school last year for some reason are why he's such an old prospect, but I am NEVER drafting guys that old and with that CV for a team that's 2-3 years away from even winning 42 games....I don't get it at all.

Bummer draft for me across the board with 1 exception: Unless Tre goes God Mode, as some seem to expect (at least in time), this draft was great for the tank for the Dybantsa/Peterson/Boozer/Ament+ class. We got two guys who can hit jumpers for sure, but probably aren't going to move the needle a ton (at least Riley anyway) for at least the first 50+ games next year, so the tank for a top 3-4 pick in '26 looks quite good. Now if the Suns had just been as stupid as the Pelicans I'd feel better but I think they made some smart picks, we can only hope they totally implode this year, so our pick swap can sweep in an extra 7-10% across the board at the 1 through 4 slots, if that happened (if they finished, 5th, 6th, 7th or I think 8th worst, maybe 9th too), our chances of landing a top 4 pick would jump to between about 75-82% or more so long as we are bottom 3. Much better odds than this past year (I think it was what, 53%?

So for me anyway, my chief takeaways are:

We drafted one of only two players I absolutely would have hated to draft at 6, but at least I can envision it being possible that he could be great. It's unlikely, but the floor is there, and the ceiling is definitely technically possible.

The second pick was generally ranked 12th in this '24 recruiting class, so if his end of season run is who he is, he might have been worth a 10-15 pick potentially w/a slightly different season, time will tell....and where he's at means we'll get a loss less help from him than we would have gotten from some other guys at 18.

The tank is alive and well....
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#92 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:15 am

tontoz wrote:
DCZards wrote: If getting Ace meant trading 6 & 18 to Charlotte, then I think the Zards made out very well by not making that trade and drafting Tre and Riley instead.


Yeah trading up for Ace isn't an easy call when you can stay put and pick Tre. I had Ace ahead of Tre due to size and defense ,but not by much.

Tre's floor is much higher. He is a high IQ player with more polished skills, which are far beyond his years.

It is funny that I posted about Tre so much during the season that The Consiglieri started making fun of me about it, and now he is actually the pick.

The games will definitely be more watchable now. Tre can put on a show.


More watchable? Yes.

More tankable? I can't see how.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#93 » by dobrojim » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:21 am

I just watched a Riley video, not sure which one but
what struck me was the variety of different ways
he was scoring. He's got skilz. Granted it was a highlight
vid so of course he looked really good in it. Several
commenters have mentioned Keyshawn which I found
interesting and encouraging. I was skeptical about him (KG)
last year early on but became reallly pleased by
what he showed from about January on. I wouldn't
be shocked if Will follows a similar trajectory. And
it's possible he hasn't finished growing.

Keep up the ethical tanking one more year and things
might really begin to look solid after next offseason.

I wanted Maluach in order to slide Sarr to the 4. That
will have to wait. Or Maybe Alex will just fill out and get
stronger by a combination of natural aging and
strategic development. Will could bulk up a bit himself. That should also happen through maturity.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#94 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:36 am

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Pretty obvious to me that Reynaud will get picked immediately before us cuz sowizards



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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#95 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:45 am

closg00 wrote:Another guard, we don't have enough guards


More cowbell. More guards. The Wizards want more guards.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#96 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 27, 2025 5:50 am

DCZards wrote:
awolfinwater wrote:I'm very excited by the prospect of watching Tre Johnson grow his game over the next few years. He already has some really good skills and the mentality to continue growing his game.

Also, seeing how Riley can get to and finish at the rim while putting on weight will be fun as well.

Need to learn more about Watkins.
Watched 3 or 4 Riley vids today and his ability to get to the rim and finish is indeed very impressive.


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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#97 » by Dat2U » Fri Jun 27, 2025 6:57 am

The Consiglieri wrote:
Dat2U wrote:I wanted draft & stash candidate Bogoljub Markovic. I really like the offensive upside but he'll need to get stronger and show more defensively for teams to buy in to his development.


He was #1 for me too, and then 1 of the Australian dudes and another guy I forgot.

I just don't see the value in this at all. Trust Hollinger I guess? And the FSU argument is a decent one, the team was indeed a mess (for FSU fans, the covid shut down destroyed the best Basketball Team they ever built, even better than the Cassell/Sura days, and that program has fallen off slowly but surely since). I hear the arguments that he will be a ferocious <expletive> potentially in practice, but lets be straight here, the 43rd pick is an asset, and I am not using top 40 or 50 picks on guys to throw at real prospects in practice in order to get said kiddo's ---- together, I hire coaches to do that, and I can sign vets like Smart to do that. What does a player that couldn't carry Tre Johnson's jock really do for him? He's not gonna intimidate him in the way a champion might, or a legit stud vet might etc.

I would rather the pick be used on something tangible with potential long term upside. The defense provides possibilities and covid and deciding to go back to school last year for some reason are why he's such an old prospect, but I am NEVER drafting guys that old and with that CV for a team that's 2-3 years away from even winning 42 games....I don't get it at all.

Bummer draft for me across the board with 1 exception: Unless Tre goes God Mode, as some seem to expect (at least in time), this draft was great for the tank for the Dybantsa/Peterson/Boozer/Ament+ class. We got two guys who can hit jumpers for sure, but probably aren't going to move the needle a ton (at least Riley anyway) for at least the first 50+ games next year, so the tank for a top 3-4 pick in '26 looks quite good. Now if the Suns had just been as stupid as the Pelicans I'd feel better but I think they made some smart picks, we can only hope they totally implode this year, so our pick swap can sweep in an extra 7-10% across the board at the 1 through 4 slots, if that happened (if they finished, 5th, 6th, 7th or I think 8th worst, maybe 9th too), our chances of landing a top 4 pick would jump to between about 75-82% or more so long as we are bottom 3. Much better odds than this past year (I think it was what, 53%?

So for me anyway, my chief takeaways are:

We drafted one of only two players I absolutely would have hated to draft at 6, but at least I can envision it being possible that he could be great. It's unlikely, but the floor is there, and the ceiling is definitely technically possible.

The second pick was generally ranked 12th in this '24 recruiting class, so if his end of season run is who he is, he might have been worth a 10-15 pick potentially w/a slightly different season, time will tell....and where he's at means we'll get a loss less help from him than we would have gotten from some other guys at 18.

The tank is alive and well....


I don't like the pick but I don't hate the pick either. Watkins got pushed up 2nd rd mocks when alot of guys went back to school. In my opinion, the best prospects were gone and the last decent one in Raynaud went just prior so at that point your really looking at projects and G-league/practice players. The front office probably felt they had enough guys to develop and wanted someone in their system that can provide some strength & physical play from the wing position, which none of our young guys have.

The draft still gets an A from me. I would have liked to use the cache of 2nd rd picks to go up and get someone but I'm not making a huge fuss about the 43rd pick in a thinned out draft. We are simply arguing about the margins at that point. They added two of the most offensively skilled prospects in this years draft the day before. I hope we've found our future 2nd option (if not more) in Tre and a nice complimentary piece in Riley.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#98 » by closg00 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:33 am

Nice recap, the Suns and Bobcats had awesome drafts on-paper.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#99 » by closg00 » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:51 am

The Consiglieri wrote:
Dat2U wrote:I wanted draft & stash candidate Bogoljub Markovic. I really like the offensive upside but he'll need to get stronger and show more defensively for teams to buy in to his development.


He was #1 for me too, and then 1 of the Australian dudes and another guy I forgot.

I just don't see the value in this at all. Trust Hollinger I guess? And the FSU argument is a decent one, the team was indeed a mess (for FSU fans, the covid shut down destroyed the best Basketball Team they ever built, even better than the Cassell/Sura days, and that program has fallen off slowly but surely since). I hear the arguments that he will be a ferocious <expletive> potentially in practice, but lets be straight here, the 43rd pick is an asset, and I am not using top 40 or 50 picks on guys to throw at real prospects in practice in order to get said kiddo's ---- together, I hire coaches to do that, and I can sign vets like Smart to do that. What does a player that couldn't carry Tre Johnson's jock really do for him? He's not gonna intimidate him in the way a champion might, or a legit stud vet might etc.

I would rather the pick be used on something tangible with potential long term upside. The defense provides possibilities and covid and deciding to go back to school last year for some reason are why he's such an old prospect, but I am NEVER drafting guys that old and with that CV for a team that's 2-3 years away from even winning 42 games....I don't get it at all.

Bummer draft for me across the board with 1 exception: Unless Tre goes God Mode, as some seem to expect (at least in time), this draft was great for the tank for the Dybantsa/Peterson/Boozer/Ament+ class. We got two guys who can hit jumpers for sure, but probably aren't going to move the needle a ton (at least Riley anyway) for at least the first 50+ games next year, so the tank for a top 3-4 pick in '26 looks quite good. Now if the Suns had just been as stupid as the Pelicans I'd feel better but I think they made some smart picks, we can only hope they totally implode this year, so our pick swap can sweep in an extra 7-10% across the board at the 1 through 4 slots, if that happened (if they finished, 5th, 6th, 7th or I think 8th worst, maybe 9th too), our chances of landing a top 4 pick would jump to between about 75-82% or more so long as we are bottom 3. Much better odds than this past year (I think it was what, 53%?

So for me anyway, my chief takeaways are:

We drafted one of only two players I absolutely would have hated to draft at 6, but at least I can envision it being possible that he could be great. It's unlikely, but the floor is there, and the ceiling is definitely technically possible.

The second pick was generally ranked 12th in this '24 recruiting class, so if his end of season run is who he is, he might have been worth a 10-15 pick potentially w/a slightly different season, time will tell....and where he's at means we'll get a loss less help from him than we would have gotten from some other guys at 18.

The tank is alive and well....


Bogoljub Markovic would have been a perfect draft and stash, I was heartbroken to see so-many players I liked picked-off one by one.
I thought for-sure we would add a Center so Alex wouldn't get mauled in the post as he bulks-up, Dawkins doesn't value rebounding and the half court game so-far in the rebuild.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 4 

Post#100 » by doclinkin » Fri Jun 27, 2025 11:29 am

closg00 wrote:I thought for-sure we would add a Center so Alex wouldn't get mauled in the post as he bulks-up, Dawkins doesn't value rebounding and the half court game so-far in the rebuild.


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