Will EG make a move before the trade deadline?

[fishercob]

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I don't know how anyone can stand listening to that fool. I hear his whiney voice and immediately change the station.

As for the rumor, Colin got that straight from another renowned idiot Sam Smith. Not surprising to me that those intellectual equals would see eye to eye on the subject. Or really ass to ass, as that is where those rumors actually started.

Spot on.

[Coryvstheworld]

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I don't know how anyone can stand listening to that fool. I hear his whiney voice and immediately change the station.

As for the rumor, Colin got that straight from another renowned idiot Sam Smith. Not surprising to me that those intellectual equals would see eye to eye on the subject. Or really ass to ass, as that is where those rumors actually started.

lol. so true... When mentioning the trade he was talking about how Laker Fans should be hoping that Caron goes to the Lakers, and that L.A. deserves Caron because D.C. doesn't care about the NBA anyway. Even if D.C. doesn't have the most hard core NBA fans, that is a douche bag thing to say...

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

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Even if D.C. doesn't have the most hard core NBA fans, that is a douche bag thing to say...

Disagree. DC does have hard core fans. It doesn't have hard core ownership.

Fans have been packing the MCI/Verizon Center for a decade now... throughout lean to mediocre times. In fact, the Bullets drew pretty well at that gawd-awful suburban Capital Center for decades when the team was downright putrid.

DC is a basketball town. Actually, let me rephrase: DC is THE basketball town in terms of talent and interest on the streets.

Ya see I get a little touchy on the subject.

[Arenas4Three]

when arenas and butler get back won't blatche and daniels be starter quality players coming off the bench?

I think he was talking about a scorer and playmaker.....a 6th man for this team. Daniels is solid and Blatche is still developing. Salmons and Miller can score in bunches are are pretty versatile.

[DCZards]

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Disagree. DC does have hard core fans. It doesn't have hard core ownership.

Fans have been packing the MCI/Verizon Center for a decade now... throughout lean to mediocre times. In fact, the Bullets drew pretty well at that gawd-awful suburban Capital Center for decades when the team was downright putrid.

DC is a basketball town. Actually, let me rephrase: DC is THE basketball town in terms of talent and interest on the streets.

Ya see I get a little touchy on the subject.

I'm with ya. DC bball fans have also been known to pack summer league games, including the college/high school games at G'Town and the Urban Coalition pro league when it was around a few years ago.

In fact, I would argue that DC is more of a basketball town than a football town. Yes, the Skins are the hottest ticket in town (and I'm a Skins fan) but keep in mind that the Skins have always had a fan base that stretched as far south as NC and SC.

When it comes to DC and its immediate suburbs, b'ball (the city game) is the rage, imo.

[Coryvstheworld]

By most hard core fans I meant most as in terms of number of hard core fans, not the level of hardcoreness of Wizards fans. D.C. is a basketball town(more College than NBA, though), but I do think that the Wizards don't have as many hardcore fans as a city like L.A. or Chicago. My main basis for this is that the Verizon Center doesn't have the same energy as some of the other arenas in the league...but i could be wrong.

[DCZards]

By most hard core fans I meant most as in terms of number of hard core fans, not the level of hardcoreness of Wizards fans. D.C. is a basketball town(more College than NBA, though), but I do think that the Wizards don't have as many hardcore fans as a city like L.A. or Chicago. My main basis for this is that the Verizon Center doesn't have the same energy as some of the other arenas in the league...but i could be wrong.

I wouldn't disagree with that assessment. Cities like Chicago and LA probably do have more "hardcore" fans. Imo, the chief reason for that is that the NBA teams in those cities have won multiple championships in the past two decades, while the Zards have rarely been in in the playoffs during that period. Winning helps to develop hardcore fans.

[Coryvstheworld]

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I wouldn't disagree with that assessment. Cities like Chicago and LA probably do have more "hardcore" fans. Imo, the chief reason for that is that the NBA teams in those cities have won multiple championships in the past two decades, while the Zards have rarely been in in the playoffs during that period. Winning helps to develop hardcore fans.

Definitely, also, and I wrote an email to Colin Cowherd explaining this, the Wiz/Bullets haven't had any young, successful, upstanding perennial all-stars to support in a long time, but now that we have Caron and Gilbert here that the fans are starting to notice and the level of fandom has increased substantially each of the past couple years.

[Zerocious]

You know which town doesn't have any hardcore Bball fans...Baltimore! I hate this stinking town, i guess mainly because i don't give a care about the o's or the ravens. Commuting to DC for wiz games is a drag but worth it. I have GOT to be the hardcore(est) wizards fan in baltimore. Baltimore also features the least amount of usable outdorr basketball courts in the nation. I work in Philly and DC and can't turn around without seeing a court or two, I'll drive around in baltimore for an hours to only find one half court somewhere with no rims. How can i improve my jumpshot if all i can do is try to hit the backboard, if that's all it took i could should from crosscourt!

[Donkey McDonkerton]

You know which town doesn't have any hardcore Bball fans...Baltimore! I hate this stinking town, i guess mainly because i don't give a care about the o's or the ravens. Commuting to DC for wiz games is a drag but worth it. I have GOT to be the hardcore(est) wizards fan in baltimore. Baltimore also features the least amount of usable outdorr basketball courts in the nation. I work in Philly and DC and can't turn around without seeing a court or two, I'll drive around in baltimore for an hours to only find one half court somewhere with no rims. How can i improve my jumpshot if all i can do is try to hit the backboard, if that's all it took i could should from crosscourt!

SPOILER BELOW- from EPISODE 8 of the WIRE. DONT HIGHLIGHT BELOW IF YOU HAVENT SEEN IT!

[Zerocious]

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SPOILER BELOW- from EPISODE 8 of the WIRE. DONT HIGHLIGHT BELOW IF YOU HAVENT SEEN IT!

Now that Omar is dead, it's safe to build and use the bball courst again

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nice

[VAWiZKID]

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[Dat2U]

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Damn your a complete dumbass. Thanks for the spoiler jerk.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

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Damn your a complete dumbass. Thanks for the spoiler jerk.

I'm sorry, i'll take some of the blame for posting what I did. I ASSumed.....

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

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Did you really just do that?

How about this: Please, don't write anything giving away plot twists on the Wire or other shows on this board. Even after the shows have aired, some of us (old fogies with small children especially) DVR them to watch them during the week.

[jmrosenth]

Ivan Carter: I guarantee you that Ernie has "explored" trades. Pulling one off is another thing however. Who on this team can you move? Etan Thomas? No way. Nobody was touching that contract before his heart surgery and now? Forget it. You can't move Antawn and get back equal value, plus his contract expires this summer. Ditto for Gilbert. Caron isn't going anywhere. What's left? Three rookies, a vet in Songaila who has produced a little here and there but is making $3.9 million this season, $4.23 million next season, $4.52 million in 2009-2010 and holds a player option for $4.8 million in 2010-2011. Good luck moving that. And this team needs Roger Mason Jr. So, as I've said repeatedly, the best thing for this team will be getting Gilbert and Caron healthy and playing the season out. Then, Ernie can decide what he wants to do this summer.

[LyricalRico]

Ivan's logic appears sound but I couldn't help but think: What's going to magically change this summer that will allow Grunfeld to make moves?

EG will have the same exact pieces then that he has now. Songaila's contract won't look any more appetizing and the rookies won't be far removed from being rookies. If Grunfeld can't trade them now, why will teams suddenly change their mind and want them 5 or 6 months from now?

Kupchak: "Hello?"

Grunfeld: "Yes, I'd like to trade Nick Young for Kobe."

Kupchak: "I already told you no."

Grunfeld: "But that was before the trade deadline. It's the offseason now."

Kupchak: "The answer is still no."

Grunfeld: "Did I mention that I now have Comcast Digital Voice?"

*Click*

If Ivan thinks that Grunfeld can trade these guys in July there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to trade them now.

[jholmbe1]

I'm not sure that Carter is implying that Grunfeld will suddenly be able to trade these players in the summer. I think he means that the Wizards will have to decide what to do this summer i.e. resign Gil and Antawn (more so Antawn). Once that decision is reached then you start looking at free agents and possible trades. At this point of the year we will not get equal returns on any player we trade so we might as well wait til the summer.

[Kanyewest]

Ivan's logic appears sound but I couldn't help but think: What's going to magically change this summer that will allow Grunfeld to make moves?

EG will know who the cornerstones of this franchise are after the free agency period of 08. He doesn't know what Gilbert is thinking and whether or not he'll re-sign with the Wizards. There is uncertainty whether or not he'll return at 100% and deserve a max contract. The Wizards will also make the decision to keep Antawn Jamison, coming off an all star year. This could affect whether or not the Wizards can keep Arenas.

The option of a sign and trade may also give the Wizards other options to make a trade, even for other restricted free agents who include Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, Josh Smith, Ben Gordon, and Emeka Okafor as well as unrestricted free agents like Elton Brand and Jermaine O'Neal. The possibility of trading for draft picks in the lottery can also happen around summer time as well.

Maybe EG has trades in place but cannot occur because he's not allowed to expand the payroll . Maybe EG is counting on Abe Pollin to open his pockets next season.

[hands11]

Colin Cowherd is discussing a Caron Butler for Lamar Odom trade , but I don't see that happening... I haven't run the salaries, but I don't think I need to... I would be really surprised and upset if this came about.

That's just stupid. It would be more likely the George Bush get re-elected.

CB is the last player on this team going anywhere.

Lets see. 2 time ( back-to-back) All-Star signed for several more years to a reasonable contract. The guy is Tough Juice and Mr Consistent and the emotional leader of your team and a Captain. He does anything and everything you need. Yeah, lets trade him.

Only way CB goes anywhere is if EG gets sick of Abe and screws him on his way out.