09-10 WizFans Official Draft Thread

[Ruzious]

With the state of the team, I don't think I'll have to rescue this thread from the 3rd page of the forum, anymore.

Okay, time for the most underrated prospect from a big-time program. He's from UCon (by way of Rockville, MD, btw), and he's not Stanley Robinson. Of course, I'm talking about the flash known as Jerome Dyson. Dude can flat out fly - and finish - and he's always looking to run. He kinda reminds me of a poor man's Rajon Rondo. He's been a 2 at UConn, and he's adjusting to playing the 1 - which is why he's underrated - He's always been a small 2. Now, he's a very long 1. NBADraft.net has him as a mid 2nd, and Draftexpress is worse - late 2nd. He's still learning to be a PG, and he needs work on his J, but I can see him being an outstanding defender and contribute in transition - while he refines his game in the NBA. Of course, it would help him to have KG, Pierce, and Allen as teammates.

[eltacoman]

Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State on espn right now

Oklahomas Willie Warren and Oklahoma States James Anderson square off tonight...both guards are lights out shooters and both are set to go in the mid 1st round in 2010 draft ... if we pick up some extra 1sts we could be looking at a new Wizards player for next year

[AgentOvechkin08]

Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State on espn right now

Oklahomas Willie Warren and Oklahoma States James Anderson square off tonight...both guards are lights out shooters and both are set to go in the mid 1st round in 2010 draft ... if we pick up some extra 1sts we could be looking at a new Wizards player for next year

Willie Warren reminds me ALOT of Rany Foye. A 6'4 combo guard with similar build.

[eltacoman]

Oklahoma States Moses game reminds me of Etans ... yeah Willies game is very similar to Foyes

[no D in Hibachi]

Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State on espn right now

Oklahomas Willie Warren and Oklahoma States James Anderson square off tonight...both guards are lights out shooters and both are set to go in the mid 1st round in 2010 draft ... if we pick up some extra 1sts we could be looking at a new Wizards player for next year

Willie Warren reminds me ALOT of Rany Foye. A 6'4 combo guard with similar build.

Warren seems much more explosive than Foye. When I watch Foye I almost think he plays with a walker. He doens't have great speed, doesn't have great leaping ability, he doesn't finish well at the rim. Hell, the only thing I think Foye does well is go right off a screen and nail 17-20 foot jumpers. He's very good at that, but not much else.

[Ruzious]

Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State on espn right now

Oklahomas Willie Warren and Oklahoma States James Anderson square off tonight...both guards are lights out shooters and both are set to go in the mid 1st round in 2010 draft ... if we pick up some extra 1sts we could be looking at a new Wizards player for next year

Willie Warren reminds me ALOT of Rany Foye. A 6'4 combo guard with similar build.

Warren seems much more explosive than Foye. When I watch Foye I almost think he plays with a walker. He doens't have great speed, doesn't have great leaping ability, he doesn't finish well at the rim. Hell, the only thing I think Foye does well is go right off a screen and nail 17-20 foot jumpers. He's very good at that, but not much else.

I'm not a big Foye fan, but he does run the court well, and he finishes better than most PGs.

I don't know what to make of Warren. He has a rep as a shooter, but he doesn't look like a great shooter. The 2 times I've seen him this year, he's clearly trying to be a real point guard, but he's not there yet. He's good, but the Foye comparison is a good one - they're both combo guards that don't have good enough PG instincts to excell. Tiny Gallon is fun to watch - like Big Baby was at LSU. Anderson is longgg and lanky - with a nice looking jump shot and good defensive ability. He uses his length well on defense and the boards. But his guard skills are lacking. I don't like either Warren or Anderson for the Wiz, just because they don't seem to be high BBIQ guys at their NBA positions.

[Ruzious]

I watched the Kentucky-Indiana game today and I came away been impressed with DeMarcus Cousins. He's a monster and has real good ball skills and post skills. I think he's going to be the Tyreke Evens of this year. Last season Evens was constently undervalued on nbadraft.net and draftexpress.com, but by the time the draft rolled around Evens was the second best prospect in the draft. Cousins is a force in the post on both sides of the floor. If the Wiz continue this terrible course and end up with a high lotto they should consider Cousins because at that point they'll need to replace Haywood.

I gotta disagree on Cousins. Yes, he's a great talent (and btw, does that Kentucky frosh class has as much pure talent as any since the Fab 5?), but he seems really immature and I'd guess he's many years away from being an NBA contributor. Favors is far and away a better frosh bigman prospect.

Pace-adjusted per 40 Cousins' stats:

31.4 pts, 18.6 rebs, 3.7 blks, 1.6 sts, 1.3 asts ... w. 3.7 tos, 6.6 fouls.



http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeM ... 318/stats/

Cousins is averaging 15 and 9 with 2 blocks in 19 minutes!

Now that Kentucky's playing real teams, you can probably see why I compared him to Eddie Curry. In the last 3 games, he's averaged about 7 points and 7 bounds a game in 24 minutes per, but it's the rest of the story that's the problem - a total of 12 to's, no assists, 1 steal and 2 blocks.

[Cramer]

Three guys that are on my radar:

1. Reggie Redding, Villanova.

I feel like I'm letting the cat out of the bag too early on him.

Redding? Really? Wow.

Put that cat back in the **** bag. He's a mediocre college player that isn't going to blossom on the next level. He's Nova's best defender but a long way from someone who's going to become a stopper at the next level.

Speaking of Nova, see Scottie's line from last night at Louisville?
36 points
9-10 from the floor
5-5 from 3
30 in the 2nd half and
Nova's last 16.

36 points on 10 shots. A rather productive and effecient evening. I'm going to miss him.

[nate33]

I watched some of the Kentucky game last night. I was pretty unimpressed with John Wall. He's got off the charts athleticism, but he's not really much of a point guard. In the NBA, you can get by on pure atheticism at SG, SF and PF, but not at PG or C. I think Wall has a way to go before he can run a team. He reminds a bit of Kenny Anderson - a freak athlete but a guy who never really figured out the PG position.

Cousin's impressed me with his size and strength, but also with his effort. Down the stretch, he nearly made two costly turnovers, but managed to dive out-of-bounds and throw the ball off the opponent to save the possession. The fact that he nearly made those turnovers in the first place shows how unpolished he is, but the fact that he didn't give up on the play shows me that he's the type of guy I would like to have on my team.

My man Evan Turner had 32 points, 9 boards and 3 assists in a win against 6th ranked Purdue. Turner had 23 points in the second half. I missed the game because I was stupid enough to watch the Wizards instead.

[Ruzious]

I watched some of the Kentucky game last night. I was pretty unimpressed with John Wall. He's got off the charts athleticism, but he's not really much of a point guard. In the NBA, you can get by on pure atheticism at SG, SF and PF, but not at PG or C. I think Wall has a way to go before he can run a team. He reminds a bit of Kenny Anderson - a freak athlete but a guy who never really figured out the PG position.

Cousin's impressed me with his size and strength, but also with his effort. Down the stretch, he nearly made two costly turnovers, but managed to dive out-of-bounds and throw the ball off the opponent to save the possession. The fact that he nearly made those turnovers in the first place shows how unpolished he is, but the fact that he didn't give up on the play shows me that he's the type of guy I would like to have on my team.

My man Evan Turner had 32 points, 9 boards and 3 assists in a win against 6th ranked Purdue. Turner had 23 points in the second half. I missed the game because I was stupid enough to watch the Wizards instead.

I missed the game, but I disagree. Remember, Wall's playing with another freshman point guard in the starting lineup, so he's not asked to be a pure PG. I think he's got everything - including the BBIQ - which I don't think Cousin's has much of. And as young as he is, he's much bigger and stronger than Kenny Anderson ever was. He's as explosive as any young PG I've seen and a better prospect than Rose was, imo. I want Wall AND Turner.

[Hoopalotta]

Do you guys think Turner's more of a shooting guard, or would he be likely to fill out and play small forward?

[nate33]

I missed the game, but I disagree. Remember, Wall's playing with another freshman point guard in the starting lineup, so he's not asked to be a pure PG. I think he's got everything - including the BBIQ - which I don't think Cousin's has much of. And as young as he is, he's much bigger and stronger than Kenny Anderson ever was. He's as explosive as any young PG I've seen and a better prospect than Rose was, imo. I want Wall AND Turner.

Don't get me wrong. It was just one game, and Wall is a young guy. I'm not ruling him out as a potential top pick. I'm just saying he wasn't very impressive in that game.

I suppose Rose is a pretty good comparison. Rose's athleticism is helping him hold his own at the NBA level, but he isn't making anybody forget Magic Johnson or John Stockton either. I guess my point is that Wall won't be the next Chris Paul. He's not going to be the best pure point guard in the league from Day 1. He'll start off as a relatively turnover-prone hybrid guard who makes incredible plays but lots of mistakes too. I guess that's all one can really hope for in a PG with just one year of college under his belt.

[Silvie Lysandra]

I love Willie Warren.

I think he could be a Dwayne Wade type combo guard, great slasher, very intense player, solid defender, etc, etc.

We need to find some way to get another lottery pick, because this draft is going to be better than the 2003 draft easily (except not as top-heavy; Favors and Wall aren't the absolute locks LeBron/Melo were)

[Ruzious]

I love Willie Warren.

I think he could be a Dwayne Wade type combo guard, great slasher, very intense player, solid defender, etc, etc.

We need to find some way to get another lottery pick, because this draft is going to be better than the 2003 draft easily (except not as top-heavy; Favors and Wall aren't the absolute locks LeBron/Melo were)

I guess I've seen him when he's been unimpressive. Also, all the scouting reports say he's a wide-body, but I don't see him over-powering many guards once he gets in the NBA. He just doesn't look very strong. It's not fair to compare him to Wade, but comparing him to Wall... eh, it's also not fair. He's got upside, but he's just not at that kind of level, imo.

[nate33]

I love Willie Warren.

I think he could be a Dwayne Wade type combo guard, great slasher, very intense player, solid defender, etc, etc.

We need to find some way to get another lottery pick, because this draft is going to be better than the 2003 draft easily (except not as top-heavy; Favors and Wall aren't the absolute locks LeBron/Melo were)

I guess I've seen him when he's been unimpressive. Also, all the scouting reports say he's a wide-body, but I don't see him over-powering many guards once he gets in the NBA. He just doesn't look very strong. It's not fair to compare him to Wade, but comparing him to Wall... eh, it's also not fair. He's got upside, but he's just not at that kind of level, imo.

I watched him a few times last year when Blake Griffin was still on the team. I just didn't get the hype. Warren was basically invisible and nearly indistinguishable from anybody else on the court. I admit that I haven't watched him play much this year.

According to DX, Warren is 6'-3.5" in shoes with a 6-6 wingspan (Wade is 6'-4.75" with a 6-11 wingspan). Warren can't be a pure SG at that height and he doesn't have the skills of a PG. He's a combo guard. I stand firm on the principle that you don't draft combo guards high in the draft. Combo guards are role players, never building blocks. You can find them after you've built your team.

[Ruzious]

Three guys that are on my radar:

1. Reggie Redding, Villanova.

I feel like I'm letting the cat out of the bag too early on him.

Redding? Really? Wow.

Put that cat back in the **** bag. He's a mediocre college player that isn't going to blossom on the next level. He's Nova's best defender but a long way from someone who's going to become a stopper at the next level.

Speaking of Nova, see Scottie's line from last night at Louisville?
36 points
9-10 from the floor
5-5 from 3
30 in the 2nd half and
Nova's last 16.

36 points on 10 shots. A rather productive and effecient evening. I'm going to miss him.

Nova's gotta be a nightmare team to play against. They're going to out-run you, and they're going to out-bomb ya. I see Reynold's has gone from a 40% shooter to a 50% shooter, he's making a higher % of his 3's, and he's getting to the line more. If Eddie House has lasted this long in the NBA, then there's gotta be a spot for Reynolds.

[ZonkertheBrainless]

Hm, maybe I should get back into college bball. Time was I could name every starter for every team in the big ten. I don't even know who's coaching at IU now.

[Edit: Wow, Tom Crean from Marquette? Awesome. Too bad they suck.]

[Ruzious]

My man Evan Turner had 32 points, 9 boards and 3 assists in a win against 6th ranked Purdue. Turner had 23 points in the second half. I missed the game because I was stupid enough to watch the Wizards instead.

He sure answered all the questions about his back being an issue. He might be the best fit for the Wiz, because he's a very high IQ player who does so many things. At the 2, he's certainly a better prospect than last draft's 3rd pick - Harden - and I'm saying that as a Harden fan. He's just got to improve his 3 point shot consistency - which should happen since he's got a nice shooting stroke. People question his athleticism - like they did with Roy and Harden, but he's clearly a good athlete - with a great first step and great body control.

Btw, did Booker of Clemson beat down Ed Davis of UNC last night? If Booker was 2 inches taller, he'd be a top 5 pick.

[Cramer]

Three guys that are on my radar:

1. Reggie Redding, Villanova.

I feel like I'm letting the cat out of the bag too early on him.

Redding? Really? Wow.

Put that cat back in the **** bag. He's a mediocre college player that isn't going to blossom on the next level. He's Nova's best defender but a long way from someone who's going to become a stopper at the next level.

Speaking of Nova, see Scottie's line from last night at Louisville?
36 points
9-10 from the floor
5-5 from 3
30 in the 2nd half and
Nova's last 16.

36 points on 10 shots. A rather productive and effecient evening. I'm going to miss him.

Nova's gotta be a nightmare team to play against. They're going to out-run you, and they're going to out-bomb ya. I see Reynold's has gone from a 40% shooter to a 50% shooter, he's making a higher % of his 3's, and he's getting to the line more. If Eddie House has lasted this long in the NBA, then there's gotta be a spot for Reynolds.

Jay Wright sure loves him some guards, don't he? Wayns is going to be a monster. They come at you in waves and it's got to seem like you're playing aginst 7 guys and when they're on, that's a pretty damn good team. They're going to be a seriously tough out in the tourney.

As for Scottie, you know I love the kid, and have for years now, but right now he's playing at a different level than he has before. His high school years were a lot more fun to watch but now it seems like the game has slowed down for him. Much less forced stuff and he seems to be letting the game come to him. He knows what he can do, but more than ever he seems to know when to do it. He seems to know when to crank it up a notch (or several) and he can stone cold take over a game. I've seen a couple of times this year where he just seems to be on cruise control within the team concept (playing well but kind of just another guy out there) and then he gets the look. He's far from the best college player out there but there's no one who I'd rather have the ball at the end of the game. I admit I'm way biased but I don't think there's anyone else in the conversation.

As for the pros, I just don't know. I think his physical limitations are going to be a problem. I was also pretty certain they were going to be a problem at the college level as well and I'm happy I was pretty damn wrong about that. I don't see any way he goes first round so I hope he doesn't get drafted so he can pick the right team and system for him. If things work out I could see him having a decent career. There are a ton of guys in the league that I wouldn't even consider having on my team over Scottie, but it's a strange league. My guess though is that he's going to make a lot of money in Europe.

[nate33]

My man Evan Turner had 32 points, 9 boards and 3 assists in a win against 6th ranked Purdue. Turner had 23 points in the second half. I missed the game because I was stupid enough to watch the Wizards instead.

He sure answered all the questions about his back being an issue. He might be the best fit for the Wiz, because he's a very high IQ player who does so many things. At the 2, he's certainly a better prospect than last draft's 3rd pick - Harden - and I'm saying that as a Harden fan. He's just got to improve his 3 point shot consistency - which should happen since he's got a nice shooting stroke. People question his athleticism - like they did with Roy and Harden, but he's clearly a good athlete - with a great first step and great body control.

Yup. He really reminds me a lot of Roy because of his economy of motion. He is deceptively athletic even though he doesn't really look like it. I also absolutely love his freakishly good board work. He's a 6-7 guard and he ranks 12th in all of college basketball in rebounding! His rebound rate relative to his size tells me that he has great instincts, great hands, strength, tenacity, and athleticism. You can't teach that.

Turner is about as close to a sure thing as it gets in the draft. His only weakness is a mediocre 3-point shot. And shooting is the easiest thing to improve.