LeTravel, LaQween, LaDouche - La Going to LA

[Ruzious]

Ruz, there are a plethora of people who agree with your assessment. I'm still unconvinced. This is the Indiana Pacers (circa 2013). Not the Ewing Knicks. If James can't "will" a win against this Pacer team, then we REALLY need to roll back the hype. I'll stick with my assessment that James has never mentally wowed me. I have never once thought, "How did he even think do to that?" -- as I have about several players in my lifetime. And he's a dick. So there's that...

He definitely used to be. But I get the feeling that he's matured - from the things he's said and done ever since "the decision" - and he's changed from a bad guy to a good guy - almost like a WWE wrestler having his character changed by the writers.

[queridiculo]

He may matured, but he's still a douche it's self evident with his continued flopping and his laughable attempts to justify it.

**** Lebron.

[dobrojim]

almost as if he's following a new and different script. Hmmm, curious that.

[barelyawake]

I suppose it's the natural, human condition to want to create gods, especially in the advertising industry. And I suppose it's normal for youth to always want to believe this moment is the greatest time in history. The league, the fans, everyone has been hoping for someone to believe in as the "next Jordan." But, LeBron James isn't even the best basketball player of this era. Duncan is.

I have seen nothing from LeBron James that puts him in the discussion of the top ten, All-Time greats. He has the body for it. But, he has neither the heart, nor the creativity (under pressure), for it. He can overpower his competition only when he barrels into the lane, and the refs swallow their whistles. He's not clever. He doesn't think two moves ahead (like I have seen superstars do). I've never seen LeBron do something unexpected, especially in crunch time. I've never seen him outthink a strong opponent under stress. There is no sense of awe, no feeling that this guy is impossible to stop -- like Shaq, Kareem, Jordan, Magic, etc. There is only the feeling that if LeBron puts his head down and bulls through the lane, that the officials will let him get away with it.

LeBron is not a "once in a generation" player. Physically, sure. Mentally, hardly. We will see another player in the next decade who will make us forget all this LeBron hype. And hopefully, Duncan will get his due, while James languishes somewhere in the top 20 (where he can be mentioned as much as Drexler -- who had greater basketball IQ & heart).

Of course, I hate the man, so I might be biased. But, I don't think so...

haha, you are definitely biased...that was hard to read without laughing

I feel the exact same way when people compare a guy who has won one title (in a league watered-down by younger underdeveloped players spread out over expansion teams) by combining three, top-five players together, to the greats of the game. To me, it's utterly ridiculous. But, I'm "biased." Remember those years when Jordan had the reputation of disappearing in fourth quarters? Me either... PS if LeBron is such a leader, why do we always have to talk about the players around him failing (where before they were All Stars)? Leaders, I thought, do the opposite.

[montestewart]

I suppose it's the natural, human condition to want to create gods, especially in the advertising industry. And I suppose it's normal for youth to always want to believe this moment is the greatest time in history. The league, the fans, everyone has been hoping for someone to believe in as the "next Jordan." But, LeBron James isn't even the best basketball player of this era. Duncan is.

I have seen nothing from LeBron James that puts him in the discussion of the top ten, All-Time greats. He has the body for it. But, he has neither the heart, nor the creativity (under pressure), for it. He can overpower his competition only when he barrels into the lane, and the refs swallow their whistles. He's not clever. He doesn't think two moves ahead (like I have seen superstars do). I've never seen LeBron do something unexpected, especially in crunch time. I've never seen him outthink a strong opponent under stress. There is no sense of awe, no feeling that this guy is impossible to stop -- like Shaq, Kareem, Jordan, Magic, etc. There is only the feeling that if LeBron puts his head down and bulls through the lane, that the officials will let him get away with it.

LeBron is not a "once in a generation" player. Physically, sure. Mentally, hardly. We will see another player in the next decade who will make us forget all this LeBron hype. And hopefully, Duncan will get his due, while James languishes somewhere in the top 20 (where he can be mentioned as much as Drexler -- who had greater basketball IQ & heart).

Of course, I hate the man, so I might be biased. But, I don't think so...

haha, you are definitely biased...that was hard to read without laughing

I feel the exact same way when people compare a guy who has won one title (in a league watered-down by younger underdeveloped players spread out over expansion teams) by combining three, top-five players together, to the greats of the game. To me, it's utterly ridiculous. But, I'm "biased." Remember those years when Jordan had the reputation of disappearing in fourth quarters? Me either... PS if LeBron is such a leader, why do we always have to talk about the players around him failing (where before they were All Stars)? Leaders, I thought, do the opposite.

[Vicissitudes]

This has to be the ultimate LeBron hate page lol. I just believe that people need to give credit where its due. Unless you are a Cleveland fan, I don't understand where the hate is coming from. If yo are hating on his personality then you should hate all the other greats too like Mj, Bird, Magic, Kobe. Great players have always been cocky because they know they have the talent to allow then to do just that. Im not close to being a LeBron fan but I give him credit for what hes done. Whether you like it or not, LeBron is building his legacy infront of your eyes. You may never appreciate him, but it would be too damn hard not to recognize what hes done.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

When the rest of us are "living the lives we have to go back to" we can recognize King James' greatness.

This season and last he's done everything a player and a leader on the court can do. I think he's the greatest NBA combo of physical talent and skill of all time. He's a winner on the court, even with his flops, whining, tantrums, and his constant referee verbal abuse. Accepting his histrionics as part of the complete package I still think he's perhaps the greatest player ever.

That said, his insinuating the rest of us don't have lives plus all of the things I have seen from Lebron over the years make me think he's well earned the nickname "Ledouche".

Don't get me wrong. James is likeable compared to Wade.

[montestewart]

This has to be the ultimate LeBron hate page lol. I just believe that people need to give credit where its due. Unless you are a Cleveland fan, I don't understand where the hate is coming from. If yo are hating on his personality then you should hate all the other greats too like Mj, Bird, Magic, Kobe. Great players have always been cocky because they know they have the talent to allow then to do just that. Im not close to being a LeBron fan but I give him credit for what hes done. Whether you like it or not, LeBron is building his legacy infront of your eyes. You may never appreciate him, but it would be too damn hard not to recognize what hes done.

Honestly, riding on a great men's coattails and defending him from all possible detractors, real or imagined, valid or ridiculous, serious or facetious. That is the sad tragedy here, the saddest of all. I hope LeBJ throws you a bone from his filet mignon.

Stop by anytime.

[Ruzious]

When the rest of us are "living the lives we have to go back to" we can recognize King James' greatness.

This season and last he's done everything a player and a leader on the court can do. I think he's the greatest NBA combo of physical talent and skill of all time. He's a winner on the court, even with his flops, whining, tantrums, and his constant referee verbal abuse. Accepting his histrionics as part of the complete package I still think he's perhaps the greatest player ever.

That said, his insinuating the rest of us don't have lives plus all of the things I have seen from Lebron over the years make me think he's well earned the nickname "Ledouche".

Don't get me wrong. James is likeable compared to Wade.

Well said. Wade used to be beloved before Lebron went to Miami. Is Wade's fall from grace due to the king/devil comin to town? Only Charlie Daniels and Lebron know for sure.

[penbeast0]

When the rest of us are "living the lives we have to go back to" we can recognize King James' greatness.

This season and last he's done everything a player and a leader on the court can do. I think he's the greatest NBA combo of physical talent and skill of all time. He's a winner on the court, even with his flops, whining, tantrums, and his constant referee verbal abuse. Accepting his histrionics as part of the complete package I still think he's perhaps the greatest player ever.

That said, his insinuating the rest of us don't have lives plus all of the things I have seen from Lebron over the years make me think he's well earned the nickname "Ledouche".

Don't get me wrong. James is likeable compared to Wade.

How about compared to Kobe, Carmelo, and Durant? I haven't heard many slams about Durant but Kobe has a long history of off putting behavior and Carmelo's leaving of Denver was appreciably more disruptive of his team than LeBron's blowoff of Cleveland plus Carmelo always fought playing PF until this year where LeBron seems to accept changing roles for the team with equanimity. He's still arrogant, but these great scoring wings live in a little bubble of synchophants from a very early age which isolates them from learning many social graces like humility.

[barelyawake]

CCJ, I can't believe you actually feel that way.

A) You don't think his "doucheness" greatly hinders his "leadership" ability? I certainly do. His comments to the press certainly have not inspired his teammates. Imagine that unfiltered in the lockerooms he's been in.

B) If you had the Miami Heat (2013) play the Miami Heat (2013), and on one side trade LeBron for a HOFamer, I could name twenty guys who would destroy LeBron's team. And that's not me being biased. You think the Heat anchored by Kareem would go seven against this Pacer team? Absolutely no way in Hell.

[Vicissitudes]

This has to be the ultimate LeBron hate page lol. I just believe that people need to give credit where its due. Unless you are a Cleveland fan, I don't understand where the hate is coming from. If yo are hating on his personality then you should hate all the other greats too like Mj, Bird, Magic, Kobe. Great players have always been cocky because they know they have the talent to allow then to do just that. Im not close to being a LeBron fan but I give him credit for what hes done. Whether you like it or not, LeBron is building his legacy infront of your eyes. You may never appreciate him, but it would be too damn hard not to recognize what hes done.

Honestly, riding on a great men's coattails and defending him from all possible detractors, real or imagined, valid or ridiculous, serious or facetious. That is the sad tragedy here, the saddest of all. I hope LeBJ throws you a bone from his filet mignon.

Stop by anytime.

Wow, I can't believe this is what you get nowadays for being a fan of basketball. You wanna know whats the sad tragedy here? You. Just because I don't have the same small minded brain as you doesn't mean its cool to insult. If you want to argue, bring your arguments. Lucky your'e sitting behind that screen, cuz if you said it personally I'd break your face. I'm not here to talk cheap, but talk basketball.

[montestewart]

This has to be the ultimate LeBron hate page lol. I just believe that people need to give credit where its due. Unless you are a Cleveland fan, I don't understand where the hate is coming from. If yo are hating on his personality then you should hate all the other greats too like Mj, Bird, Magic, Kobe. Great players have always been cocky because they know they have the talent to allow then to do just that. Im not close to being a LeBron fan but I give him credit for what hes done. Whether you like it or not, LeBron is building his legacy infront of your eyes. You may never appreciate him, but it would be too damn hard not to recognize what hes done.

Honestly, riding on a great men's coattails and defending him from all possible detractors, real or imagined, valid or ridiculous, serious or facetious. That is the sad tragedy here, the saddest of all. I hope LeBJ throws you a bone from his filet mignon.

Stop by anytime.

Wow, I can't believe this is what you get nowadays for being a fan of basketball. You wanna know whats the sad tragedy here? You. Just because I don't have the same small minded brain as you doesn't mean its cool to insult. If you want to argue, bring your arguments. Lucky your'e sitting behind that screen, cuz if you said it personally I'd break your face. I'm not here to talk cheap, but talk basketball.

Vicissitudes, for sure. Read the title of the thread, read the content of mine and numerous others replies. Perhaps there's a clue as to the Wizards particularity of the subject in there somewhere? I don't think you understand this thread, but whatever. I've been punched by drunks, grits, criminals, drug addicts, police, service, parents, etc. Honestly, I can't really tell the difference. It's always the same point.

Regardless, stop by anytime, but try to holster those fists.

[mohammed10]

http://www.theheckler.com/2013/06/02/nb ... n-flopping



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMb60Zf4oVs[/youtube]

[Higga]

Lebron is annoying, but I don't really hate him anymore. I'll never be a Lebron fan like I was a MJ, Iverson, Barkley, Miller etc. fan but it just takes too much energy to hate him. It takes away from being able to watch his greatness.

Plus there are others more worthy of hate. Dwight Howard, Blake Griffin for example...

[FreeBalling]

LeTravel will go down as one of the all time greats, however, he's the only crybaby of the greats. I can't root for James, my dislike for him started to take off when he flopped on Darius Songaila and got him ejected in the playoffs a few years back. LeFlop.


Just win baby!

[FreeBalling]

Mohammed, that video shows how much of a tool James is. It's a shame a great player spends time on acting v. Boxing out or rebounding. There should be a stat in each game for flopping to expose these tools. I wonder who flopped the most in the NBA this year?


Just win baby!

[Severn Hoos]

Love that graphic. When I watch today's players - exemplified by James & Wade - with their flopping and jumping into defenders to get calls, it makes me kind of sad for what the game has become. Frankly, I think the real old-timers would, in a moment of candor, call today's players a bunch of politically incorrect names for not being man enough to play the game the way it should be. When Shaq was in his heyday, Dikembe stood in and banged against him despite the 50+ pound difference, while Vlade perfected the flop. And Vlade was thought of as a lesser player because of it. Too bad today's players would rather flop than stand in and man up. And I HATED Shaq - felt that most of what he did should have been called an offensive foul, but have nothing but respect for Dikembe for trying to play straight-up defense rather than play to the refs.

Also hate the Reggie/Kobe trick of getting a defender in the air and then jumping into him (as opposed to straight up in a natural shooting motion) for the sole purpose of getting a call. I saw one of the players on the Spurs out at the 3-point line fake a shot, get the defender in the air to sail past him, then stepped into an open jumper. That is skill and beauty in the game. Jumping sideways is ugly and slows the game down, but is richly rewarded - 3 FTs, more likely to get points at the line that from the field, and gets the other team into foul trouble.

I know it's wistful nostalgia that probably doesn't match reality, but I do wish the game was more self-policing. I wish there was an MJ who could belittle floppers and let them know that those kinds of actions are against the "unwritten code" among gentlemen. But as long as the best player in the game not only participates in the flopping, but semi-justifies it while claiming he doesn't do it (!), that will never happen.

[GhostsOfGil]

This has to be the ultimate LeBron hate page lol. I just believe that people need to give credit where its due. Unless you are a Cleveland fan, I don't understand where the hate is coming from.

It's been a long ride. A lot of opinions have changed but most of the hate stems back to 2007. Some of the smart Wizards fans have stopped following this team but for us dumbys who have continued to invest, we remember watching the 2007 playoffs while ESPN and the refs kissed his ass on Every. Single. Play. The series was over before it started. The entire series had ADVANCE LEBRON AT ALL COSTS written all over it.

There is a difference between MJs douchey competitive spirit and Lebron's entitled arrogance.

Lucky your'e sitting behind that screen, cuz if you said it personally I'd break your face. I'm not here to talk cheap, but talk basketball.

Look out monte. This internet tough guy is ready to swing some bows.

[LyricalRico]

It's been a long ride. A lot of opinions have changed but most of the hate stems back to 2007. Some of the smart Wizards fans have stopped following this team but for us dumbys who have continued investment, remember watching the 2007 playoffs while ESPN and the refs kissed his ass on Every. Single. Play. The series was over before it started. The entire series had ADVANCE LEBRON AT ALL COSTS written all over it.

There is a difference between MJs douchey commutative spirit and Lebron's entitled arrogance.

This.