Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[TB]

Warriors fan here. Looking for a shot-blocking big to back up David Lee in the paint.

Any trades you guys like that gets us McGee while keeping Curry/Monta/Udoh/Lee? We also have zero picks that can be traded due to Mullin effing that up.

Lots of expiring contracts, a couple next year as well. Some solid players on good contracts also.

[dangermouse]

Any trades you guys like that gets us McGee while keeping Curry/Monta/Udoh/Lee? We also have zero picks that can be traded due to Mullin effing that up.

Lots of expiring contracts, a couple next year as well. Some solid players on good contracts also.

You arent going to get McGee for expirings or decent players, especially without picks. If you arent willing to trade Udoh, the deal is off the table completely.

[nate33]

Warriors fan here. Looking for a shot-blocking big to back up David Lee in the paint.

Any trades you guys like that gets us McGee while keeping Curry/Monta/Udoh/Lee? We also have zero picks that can be traded due to Mullin effing that up.

Lots of expiring contracts, a couple next year as well. Some solid players on good contracts also.

No.

C'mon now. McGee is a 23-year-old athletic freak (7-1, 7-8 wingspan) posting a PER of 17.5 as a starter. You can't get him for expiring contracts.

McGee is viewed as a likely core piece. He's still raw and has much to learn, but there's no way the Wizards trade him unless they're convinced he'll never "get it" as an NBA player.

[Rafael122]

Andrew Bynum is a pipe dream. Let's just move on and discuss something more realistic.

I think Hinrich for Blake, their trade exception and a first round draft pick would suffice. I would do that trade in a hearbeat, we get rid of Hinrich's salary next year (and in the process save about $4 million) get a pick even though it'd be in the late 20s, and a TPE that can be used to make another trade down the line. Wizards are dealing from a position of strength here. Lakers are "desperate" even though they are 18 games over .500.

[dangermouse]

Lakers dont have a first rounder to give.

It would be tough for LA to give up Bynum. In the end I think they would if the deal was good enough. I dont think Hinrich, Blatche + Howard is too bad from LAL point of view. But if they are willing to trade Bynum there are probably going to encounter better offers than that. In a universe where Blatche didnt break his foot or get in a slapfight with a team mate at a bar, I think they would pull the trigger.

Hinrich for Blake straight up is just silly. We may cut costs this year and next but what is the point? We dont need to clear $ at the moment. Blake's contract runs longer than Hinrich's as well, so he is still on our books when we will be players in FA. Completely unnecessary if we arent getting a pick back, and there isnt one to get.

[tontoz]

I dont think anyone here can answer that question definitively. But can anyone who has watched the games closely (i dont get to see as many as you guys) tell me if he is playing worse D post-injury than he was pre-injury? Its clear his confidence has also taken a huge shot. His shots arent dropping when they were earlier in the year pre-injury. All i can think is that he is playing through something, and we have to remember hes only young, getting used to the league. There is good odds that the all-star break gets him the rest he needs and he comes back energized and turns heads again for the latter half of the season, i really hope so..

Looking lost on D and spectating is a coaching thing, someone needs to get in his head and snap him out of it. And i dont just mean Flip or Cassell, we need a vocal veteran defensive man on the floor with them. Lewis is a good vet leader, locker room guy, but he is rather soft spoken and shy.

I didn't start paying close attention to his D until after the trade when i realized that opposing pgs were putting up big numbers consistently. Maybe he is playing hurt but when i watch him race up the court on a fast break and then turn around and make no effort to get back on D in transition or stay in front of his man i have to wonder.

[nate33]

I don't if this is indicitive of the organization's stance, but some Milwaukee fans are growing frustrated with their current situation and may be considering the option of trading Bogut.

How about this:
Washington trades: McGee, 2011 unprotected 1st, Yi, Thornton, N'Diaye
Milwaukee trades: Bogut

Washington gets a real center. Milwaukee rebuilds with McGee and a high lotto pick.

This Milwaukee fan likes it.

[nate33]

How about this Phoenix trade:

Washington trades: Blatche
Phoenix trades: R.Lopez, Pietrus, protected 1st round pick*

* Lotto protected in 2011, Top 10 protected in 2012, Top 7 protected thereafter

[fishercob]

I don't if this is indicitive of the organization's stance, but some Milwaukee fans are growing frustrated with their current situation and may be considering the option of trading Bogut.

How about this:
Washington trades: McGee, 2011 unprotected 1st, Yi, Thornton, N'Diaye
Milwaukee trades: Bogut

Washington gets a real center. Milwaukee rebuilds with McGee and a high lotto pick.

This Milwaukee fan likes it.

I hate this for the Wizards. If we're giving up McGee and our '11 first, we should get a budding star. Bogut a good player, but I don't see the upside at all.

[tontoz]

Bogut has All-Star calibur skills across the board except for 1 major flaw. He can't shoot from outside 5 feet. At all. He makes Dwight Howard look like Reggie Miller. He is in Chris Dudley territory.

I would do Nates trade with one small change. I would want top 3 protection on the pick.

[Illuminaire]

He appears to be a solid defensive center. I'm concerned that between his lack of shooting skills and his recently destroyed elbow, he will never be a credible offensive threat. He's probably the best big man who might realistically be on the market, but I still don't think the talent level is enough to be worth three major assets - McGee, a good draft pick, and cap space.

[TB]

Just to reiterate, i'm not saying McGee for expiring contracts, i'm saying adding him and we will take on some crappy contracts of yours.

Still tho, anyone got a trade between warriors/wizards for mcgee that you guys deem fair? Just trying to see what his value is at. Not trying to overvalue or undervalue either teams players.

[nate33]

We don't have any crappy contracts other than Rashard Lewis'. The Wizards are already under the cap and aren't looking to sacrifice talent in order to shed more salary. Like you, we are looking to add young talent. Indeed, we are willing to take on bad contracts if need be in order to acquire picks/prospects.

We're just bad trade partners.

[Benjammin]

Just to reiterate, i'm not saying McGee for expiring contracts, i'm saying adding him and we will take on some crappy contracts of yours.

Still tho, anyone got a trade between warriors/wizards for mcgee that you guys deem fair? Just trying to see what his value is at. Not trying to overvalue or undervalue either teams players.

It's really simple. The Wiz won't want to use McGee to dump contracts. Their cap situation is better than the vast majority of teams in the association already. Would I like to wave a wand and make Rashard Lewis's contract, disappear, absolutely. But McGee has too much potential to be used simply to dump deals. You don't want to give anything of value to the Wizards for a guy with a lot of potential. Whether he achieves even a fraction of it is another question.

[TB]

thanks for the responses. I'll stop bugging your board in a second lol

So even something like Biedrins, Vladrad (exp), Gadz (exp) for Shard, McGee would be a no go? Udoh would need to be added seems to be the consensus?

Just getting a gauge on centers around the league, don't want to be that homer that assumes I know what other teams are looking for.

[GhostsOfGil]

if we were getting 2008 biedrins i would be all for that deal. whats happened to him btw.. y has he fallen off so drastically. i know he was injured last season but this season his production has been way down as well.

[TB]

Biedrins has really declined. I think its mainly a confidence thing. On offense he goes for the finesse moves instead of going to the hoop because he is scared of going to the line. On defense its like he isn't thinking anymore because he doesn't initiate his opponent until they are already down at the block. He used to have great positional sense, but not this season.

Last few games he has improved alot, and he is still 24 years old. If he gets minutes, something around 30, I am confident that he will be a 10 and 10 guy for years to come.

I'm simply fed up with our lack of a beast down low, and am willing to go after a huge wild card in McGee just for the hope of landing a shot altering presence for the future.

So, I don't hate Biedrins, but his main strength is rebounding... which is also David Lee's main strength. Lee is locked up longterm so we need to find a center that does the things he doesnt do.

[GhostsOfGil]

lol if ur looking for a beast down low mcgee is not ur answer

[TB]

haha good to know. So you don't see him developing into a legit center presence?

[LyricalRico]

haha good to know. So you don't see him developing into a legit center presence?

His freakish athleticism doesn't seem to include strength. Many think he can be a star, but I expect him to be essentially a less skilled Keon Clark, which is good enough to be a role playing starter who ends up on SportsCenter every now and then but definitely not a star IMO.

Even though I'm not super high on McGee, I still wouldn't do the Biedrins+expirings for Lewis+McGee deal because I prefer Lewis to Biedrins.