2012 NBA Draft

[nate33]

Meeks is a free agent this summer. In the likely scenario that Young goes elsewhere, I wouldn't mind Meeks on a reasonable contract as our stopgap starting SG or as a sharpshooting 6th man.

[Ruzious]

I watched the Kansas game last night and came to the realization that Dat's right - Thomas Robinson ain't 6'10. He's 3 or 4 inches shorter than his teammate - Withey - who's 7 feet - and actually a surprisingly good player. While Robinson played really well in the 2nd half and hit a ton of foul shots, I wasn't impressed with his BBIQ - He was triple-teamed 1 time and instead of passing to an open teammate, he tried to dribble and turned it over. I could see him being scolded about it on the sideline, and it didn't look like he took it well. He's still a very good prospect, but I don't think he has Amare type potential. It'll be interesting when they do the measurements for him and Sullinger.

Back to Withey - like Robinson - he's a junior who hardly played his 1st 2 seasons. He's a bit on the slim side, but he's got broad shoulders and looks like he has the frame to fill out quite a bit. If he hits the weight room hard, this guy can play in the NBA. He's a heckuva sidekick for Robinson.

[go'stags]

Ruz, I have watched multiple games of Robinson and one thing that impressed me was his basketball IQ. It's not off the charts or anything, but I feel he is a smart player. I'm not saying that you are doing this, but I do not feel it is wise to make that judgement off of one play or game.

Actually I came away from that game last night even more impressed with him than I already was. My biggest concern with him was his one on one ability on offense, and he caught the ball in the mid-post area numerous times in isolations and made strong moves for the foul. He showed a better first step than I had seen. He played much better in the second half.

BTW, I agree with you and Dat. I have never believed he was 6'10, but I still think he will be a damn good rebounder in the NBA. Challenging shots could be a problem, but his rotations and pick-and-roll defense should be excellent.

[pancakes3]

aldrich was a tough, smart player who actually IS 6'10. i'm not holding my breath that robinson pans out to be much better.

[tontoz]

BTW, I agree with you and Dat. I have never believed he was 6'10, but I still think he will be a damn good rebounder in the NBA. Challenging shots could be a problem, but his rotations and pick-and-roll defense should be excellent.

Not many 4s actually are 6'10", unless you count shoes as height.

[Lightz]

I also like a Dukee for that role that nobody talks about - Johnny D's son - Andre Dawkins. They're 1 dimentional players, but when you can shoot like them, you got a good shot at contributining in the NBA. Andre will probably stay at Duke for his senior year (since he might not even get drafted), but then again Duke has recruited so many shooting guards that it makes me wonder - especially if he's prominent in the NCAA Tournament.

Andre Dawkins actually isn't Johnny D's son, although I've seen that mistake made by people on tv too.

As someone who watches every duke game and a lot of college basketball, I'm interested that you brought up Dawkins as a good fit for the Wiz. I really don't like him overall as an NBA SG prospect because his ability to handle the ball under pressure or take people off the dribble is astoundingly bad... Like bad to the point where he'd be more on par with NBA bigs than wings in that department.

However I was thinking I actually like the idea of him on the Wizards a lot because he's a very good athlete, and a fantastic shooter. He'd be a pure spot up knock down three point shooter who can make big plays in transition, and I feel like we need a couple guys like that to effectively build around Wall. I don't see him coming out in this draft either unless duke makes a final four run or something (hopefully ).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Speaking of Meeks, there's a clone of his on Vanderbilt named John Jenkins - same size - same shooting touch on 3 balls. I also like a Dukee for that role that nobody talks about - Johnny D's son - Andre Dawkins. They're 1 dimentional players, but when you can shoot like them, you got a good shot at contributining in the NBA. Andre will probably stay at Duke for his senior year (since he might not even get drafted), but then again Duke has recruited so many shooting guards that it makes me wonder - especially if he's prominent in the NCAA Tournament.

Actually, I think Doron Lamb is a more all around player than Meeks but isn't quite as strongly built.

Jenkins is exactly the type player the Wizards should be looking to add in round 2.

[go'stags]

aldrich was a tough, smart player who actually IS 6'10. i'm not holding my breath that robinson pans out to be much better.

Cole Aldrich? I'm a little puzzled unless you mean Lamarcus Aldridge.

[go'stags]

BTW, I agree with you and Dat. I have never believed he was 6'10, but I still think he will be a damn good rebounder in the NBA. Challenging shots could be a problem, but his rotations and pick-and-roll defense should be excellent.

Not many 4s actually are 6'10", unless you count shoes as height.

Well, they do play in shoes

[tontoz]

BTW, I agree with you and Dat. I have never believed he was 6'10, but I still think he will be a damn good rebounder in the NBA. Challenging shots could be a problem, but his rotations and pick-and-roll defense should be excellent.

Not many 4s actually are 6'10", unless you count shoes as height.

Well, they do play in shoes

Everyone i know wears shoes at work but nobody gives their height with shoes. Since shoes have different sole thickness it is a pretty ridiculous practice.

[Dat2U]

I'd wager Robinson is probably 6-7 1/2 w/o shoes. Just going off comparing him the other players on the court. So he'd be anywhere from 6-8 1/2 to 6-9 in shoes IMO. For me the concern will be with his standing reach. Does he have the length to effectively challenge shots on the NBA level?

[Severn Hoos]

I'd wager Robinson is probably 6-7 1/2 w/o shoes. Just going off comparing him the other players on the court. So he'd be anywhere from 6-8 1/2 to 6-9 in shoes IMO. For me the concern will be with his standing reach. Does he have the length to effectively challenge shots on the NBA level?

Dat, I think I follow what you're saying, but just for clarification:

In a PF, I think it's more important to have the strength to hold your position and not get backed deep into the paint than it is to challenge shots in help defense. With a guy like McGee - if he could ever get the concept of Team Defense - the Wiz have someone who should be able to cover a lot of ground and erase/alter shots when opposing players get by their man and into the lane. Having two of those types is only marginally helpful, especially if neither is particularly good at holding his ground. [This is why I'm not very excited about Henson for this team. Henson would be fine playing next to a Bogut, but we don't have one of those, so - ]

But - the important thing for the PF who holds his ground - it doesn't do any good if your opponent can just rise up and shoot right over you without much trouble. That's where the alligator arms come in. It's all well and good for a guy to be a brick wall, but without the Millsap arms, you're vulnerable to a very makeable (for most NBA PFs not currently on the Wizards' roster) shot.

So yes, I want Robinson (or Sullinger) to be able to challenge his own man's shot - but not too interested in whether he can "patrol the paint" looking for shots to block. But hey, if that's what we're looking for, maybe Shelden Williams is available?


And - I really do hope that somehow OSU & KU both make it far enough in the Tournament to play each other. If only to see Robinson & Sullinger stand next to each other for the tipoff, it would tell us something definitive about their respective sizes.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Have you guys heard of Arnett Moultrie?, An athletic 6-11 PF with outside and inside game, really good rebounder, he is very similar to Thomas Robinson but with a better jumper.(about 4 months older than Robinson)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Arn ... trie-5754/

Stats Compared to Robinson are very similar
Moultrie
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... t-moultrie

Robinson

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... s-robinson

kirubel, I didn't know of him until you brought him up weeks back.

I see he transferred in from UTEP to Miss St.

http://www.utepathletics.com/sports/m-b ... ett00.html

Seems like he really has his head on right, too.

Surprising Arnett Moultrie putting up big numbers for No. 18 Mississippi St.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co ... story.html

The UTEP transfer was expected to be a quality addition after sitting out last season because of transfer rules, but few predicted the 6-foot-11 junior would be among the SEC’s best players considering he averaged 9.8 points and 6.7 rebounds per game as a sophomore with the Miners.

As a Bulldog, he’s putting up 16.5 points and grabbing a league-leading 10.9 rebounds per game.

Moultrie said there’s been no magic potion, just hours on the basketball floor spent honing his game while he waited for the opportunity to play with Mississippi State.

“It’s just understanding the game more,” Moultrie said. “I’ve grown up and matured as a player. I had to spend more time in the gym if I wanted to become the player that I wanted to be.”

This is the best par.

Listed at 249 pounds, Moultrie isn’t overly strong, but he holds his own against bigger opponents because of superior positioning and jumping ability. He also has a surprising shooting touch, making 58 percent of his shots from the field and 83.3 percent from the free-throw line.

But it’s the rebounding that always stands out. He has nine double-doubles this season, including a 25-point, 13-rebound performance last week against Alabama.

“Rebounding is always something I’ve been good at,” Moultrie said. “Playing with a motor is something I can control.”

Sounds like a really good guy to consider trading down for in this draft. I checked his stats and they passed the eyeball test. I love his FT shooting and accuracy. As you say, comparable to Robinson on offense any way.





Is it just me or does Arnett Moultrie resemble Rashard Lewis?

[Dat2U]

Well the problem with Shelden Williams was that his standing reach was 8'8'' which is very undersized for a big man. He had trouble finishing at Duke against ACC quality bigs so his failure in the NBA was expected by some including me.

In my view, standing reach is the essential measurement for bigs. It gives insight into whether a player has the phyiscal tools not only to challenge shots, but whether one can get his own shot off in the paint and whether one can rebound effectively in traffic. Certainly having the strength to compete is an essential tool but that's not easily as measureable in NBA terms.

Wtih Robinson, I love his productivity and his energy. He's got a lighting quick first step for a big which sets up for a pretty nice face up game down the road in a few years. I love how he just out works players and so I have him pretty high on my board, but the one thing that gives me pause is that he just looks undersized for the position. He just looks like a SF in terms of height. And it doesn't appear that he's got particularly long arms either. For me that's why his measurements will be so important.

[kirubel94]

Have you guys heard of Arnett Moultrie?, An athletic 6-11 PF with outside and inside game, really good rebounder, he is very similar to Thomas Robinson but with a better jumper.(about 4 months older than Robinson)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Arn ... trie-5754/

Stats Compared to Robinson are very similar
Moultrie
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... t-moultrie

Robinson

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... s-robinson

kirubel, I didn't know of him until you brought him up weeks back.

I see he transferred in from UTEP to Miss St.

http://www.utepathletics.com/sports/m-b ... ett00.html

Seems like he really has his head on right, too.

Surprising Arnett Moultrie putting up big numbers for No. 18 Mississippi St.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co ... story.html

The UTEP transfer was expected to be a quality addition after sitting out last season because of transfer rules, but few predicted the 6-foot-11 junior would be among the SEC’s best players considering he averaged 9.8 points and 6.7 rebounds per game as a sophomore with the Miners.

As a Bulldog, he’s putting up 16.5 points and grabbing a league-leading 10.9 rebounds per game.

Moultrie said there’s been no magic potion, just hours on the basketball floor spent honing his game while he waited for the opportunity to play with Mississippi State.

“It’s just understanding the game more,” Moultrie said. “I’ve grown up and matured as a player. I had to spend more time in the gym if I wanted to become the player that I wanted to be.”

This is the best par.

Listed at 249 pounds, Moultrie isn’t overly strong, but he holds his own against bigger opponents because of superior positioning and jumping ability. He also has a surprising shooting touch, making 58 percent of his shots from the field and 83.3 percent from the free-throw line.

But it’s the rebounding that always stands out. He has nine double-doubles this season, including a 25-point, 13-rebound performance last week against Alabama.

“Rebounding is always something I’ve been good at,” Moultrie said. “Playing with a motor is something I can control.”

Sounds like a really good guy to consider trading down for in this draft. I checked his stats and they past the eyeball test. I love his FT shooting and accuracy. As you say, comparable to Robinson on offense any way.





Is it just me or does Arnett Moultrie resemble Rashard Lewis?

He does!! , but on a serious thought i expect him to rise before the draft ,possible top-10 pick.

[queridiculo]

Is it just me or does Arnett Moultrie resemble Rashard Lewis?

While reading up on him I said to myself, what an intriguing prospect, but I'd probably pass because of his similarity to Lewis.

[Illuminaire]

Having a motor + rebounding skill automatically makes him more interesting to me than Lewis ever was.

[REDardWIZskin]

I think the Bobcats will win the Lottery this year. Its Micheal Jordans turn to receive the gift. They suck and MJ showed he was a "part of the crew" (owners) when he took a hardline stance during the lockout. He will be rewarded for doing so and his other contributions to the league. I think we'll see Davis putting on a Charlotte hat in June. We'll hopefully be top 4 pick to get Robinson or Sullinger. I think we'll acquire another 1st round pick somehow before the deadline. No to PJ3. He seems like a clone of anthony randolph

[llcc25]

Most likely scenario is that we end up with Picks 2-4, in which case I say we draft Sullinger. I did some homework last night pouring over stats, scout analysis, highlights, and I honestly think he would be the most sure thing for us in terms of being ready to contribute from day 1 at high level. I think his college game translates well into NBA and he will continue to average his 17 and 10. He definitely gives us what we are lacking at the PF position and I don't see him being any worst than Al Jefferson. At best, i think we could be looking at a Kevin Love/Barkely hybrid. If this his is worst case and best case range, I don't think we hesitate in taking him.

Our realistic lineup next year, with some FA additions this summer could look like this:
PG-Wall/Mack
SG-Gordon/Crawford
SF-Batum or Chandler/Vesely/Singleton
PF-Sullinger/Booker
C-McGee or another FA/Seraphin

I say that this puts us in the playoffs next year. in year 2 I can't see why we wouldn't challenge for top 4 in east behind CHI and MIA assuming all things reasonably play out.

[Ruzious]

Moultrie's listed at 249 lbs??? By who? He looks more like 229, but he does have fairly broad shoulders, so I think there is room for him to get bigger and stronger. He's definitely a guy to keep an eye on. I'm very impressed that his shooting percentages have gone way up. 82% from the line shows that he's really worked hard and probably has developed a jump shot good enough to keep defenses honest. I gotta question - why doesn't he block shots?