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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#801 » by Kanyewest » Wed Apr 1, 2015 3:37 am

If Beal raises his level of play like he did in last year's playoff, that could be enough to get the Wizards to get out of the first round.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#802 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Apr 1, 2015 5:08 am

TGW and hands, there's an idea here that is too good to share right now...

There's help and there's TRUSTED help. Everybody has gifts and talents ...
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#803 » by gambitx777 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 7:09 am

You could make a great front office out of some of the people here on the board. We have some really solid basket ball minds here. I won't include myself, even though I'd like too, but that's a douche bag thing to do!
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#804 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 12:59 pm

TGW wrote:CCJ—Ted definitely needs your help. If he thought resigning the 26th ranked front office in the league (according to ESPN) was a good move, then he could use your help, my help...hell even my 9 year old nephew's help. People gave Bruce Allen a hard time for saying the Skins were "winning off the field"....well Ted basically is saying the same thing because we know for sure none of the teams he's owned have come close to winning anything worth a damn.


Ted was 16th ranked owner which isn't bad at all for a new owner taking over a blown up franchise. Other new owner like the LAC took over a team already built.

You might want to look at the list to get a better idea of the other owners and their situations. Ted is not doing badly at all.

EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th.

You said the front office is ranked 26h.. Not sure what you are talking about. You mean Randy ? Yes, Randy is 26th, not the Wizards front office.

Whats pulling both EG and Teds rankings down is indeed Randy at 26th.

With a good/great coach. I suspect Ted would move up a few more slots and EG would make it to the 14-16th range. Average. Which is about where many of us have said be belongs. Average. And average was a huge upgrade over what this franchise had done before under Abe.

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct.

Do I think they can do better? Of course I do. Average is not great. We need great. But average was enough to help Ted transition as a new majority owner so I can understand why Ted keep him around during that period. But now that things have stabilized and Ted is no longer a new majority owner, the next moves will be judged more critically.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#805 » by closg00 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:09 pm

After more than a decade of running the Wizards some are celebrating EG's rise from 26th ranked GM to 20th ranked GM in one poll (still in the bottom-half), break-out the confetti. 10 years and still a bottom-feeder GM. One could argue he belongs where he was in the last ranking and not much higher.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#806 » by closg00 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:14 pm

hands11 wrote:
TGW wrote:CCJ—Ted definitely needs your help. If he thought resigning the 26th ranked front office in the league (according to ESPN) was a good move, then he could use your help, my help...hell even my 9 year old nephew's help. People gave Bruce Allen a hard time for saying the Skins were "winning off the field"....well Ted basically is saying the same thing because we know for sure none of the teams he's owned have come close to winning anything worth a damn.


Ted was 16th ranked owner which isn't bad at all for a new owner taking over a blown up franchise. Other new owner like the LAC took over a team already built.

You might want to look at the list to get a better idea of the other owners and their situations. Ted is not doing badly at all.

EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th.

You said the front office is ranked 26h.. Not sure what you are talking about. You mean Randy ? Yes, Randy is 26th, not the Wizards front office.

Whats pulling both EG and Teds rankings down is indeed Randy at 26th.

With a good/great coach. I suspect Ted would move up a few more slots and EG would make it to the 14-16th range. Average. Which is about where many of us have said be belongs. Average. And average was a huge upgrade over what this franchise had done before under Abe.

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct.


Do I think they can do better? Of course I do. Average is not great. We need great. But average was enough to help Ted transition as a new majority owner so I can understand why Ted keep him around during that period. But now that things have stabilized and Ted is no longer a new majority owner, the next moves will be judged more critically.


:lol: Another HOF post. :lol: Ok Hands, your Ernest is not THE worst, he's just one of the worst. I'm sure you want him making drafting and FA decisions forever right? Please tell us what he has improved at? Can't wait to hear it.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#807 » by dckingsfan » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:23 pm

Look - anyway you look at it, we are a bottom 1/3 team with EG at the helm and Wittman as the coach. Fortunately we play in the east, so we will probably get to continue to experience the playoffs. Not that it matters - except against judging our FO - but in the west, we would probably be 11th.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#808 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:30 pm

gambitx777 wrote:You could make a great front office out of some of the people here on the board. We have some really solid basket ball minds here. I won't include myself, even though I'd like too, but that's a douche bag thing to do!


But in the end, you have to aggregate ideas and make decisions. And if you are an NBA GM, all your final decisions are final and public and the people judging them don't have all the information about what went on internally which is effectively what we get to see logged here. Plus on here, people tend to forget all the details that were in play years later regarding decisions.

You go back and read the trade thread from back then and you would be amazed by some of the trade ideas and how many people suggested trading the pick and for what.

Look at a company like Apple and Steve Jobbs. Being a visionary is not easy unless you have the control to be one. Steve left Apple at one point because the upper management wasn't in line with what he thought should be done. Then he returned with control and look what he did.

I think this board would make for a good think tank and if I was a GM, I would definitely have someone mining it for ideas. But I would also expect that the people on my team would have already thought of most those ideas. And they may well have. Its not like we get to hear all the ideas they have actually reviewed internally or what someone lower down the chain might have thought up that never makes it up the chain let alone to the public.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#809 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:49 pm

closg00 wrote:After more than a decade of running the Wizards some are celebrating EG's rise from 26th ranked GM to 20th ranked GM in one poll (still in the bottom-half), break-out the confetti. 10 years and still a bottom-feeder GM. One could argue he belongs where he was in the last ranking and not much higher.


Dude. Why do you always have to misrepresent what people write ?

If you are not doing it currently, you should get a job is negative spin propaganda.

I just corrected what you wrote that was misleading/wrong and you rely with more of the same.

I didn't celebrate anything.

And since you did it again.. No... Ted and EG have been together 5 years. Not a decade.

So this is what happens. People post wrong information. I correct it. And then somehow me correcting it gets spun into something more then that. I said RIGHT IN THE POST. AVERAGE. AVERAGE IS NOT CELEBRATING. But average is also not worst in the league which is what many have called him.

I said he would do better with a better owner. That is what actually happened.

We still aren't out of the woods. But we do have some nice pieces, future cap, picks. From here, someone could make soup out of this. Its not the rebuild I suggested but its a lot better then what I saw for 20 years before this. Could they have just leaped right to a great GM right after Ted took over as majority owner ? Maybe. Not sure what they might have been able to attract and at what cost. Butt ass stink franchises tend to need to give up the farm to a good GM who wants total control. Not sure that is what Ted was looking to do at that point. That's negotiating from extreme weakness. At this point though, Ted can attract a good GM without giving up the farm. Which I suspect is what he planned for all along given EGs contract length.

I can understand why he decided on this path. Its not that complicated to understand. He knew EG and know he was at least average. I'm sure having a partner he knew played into the decision for the transition years.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#810 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 1:53 pm

closg00 wrote:
hands11 wrote:
TGW wrote:CCJ—Ted definitely needs your help. If he thought resigning the 26th ranked front office in the league (according to ESPN) was a good move, then he could use your help, my help...hell even my 9 year old nephew's help. People gave Bruce Allen a hard time for saying the Skins were "winning off the field"....well Ted basically is saying the same thing because we know for sure none of the teams he's owned have come close to winning anything worth a damn.


Ted was 16th ranked owner which isn't bad at all for a new owner taking over a blown up franchise. Other new owner like the LAC took over a team already built.

You might want to look at the list to get a better idea of the other owners and their situations. Ted is not doing badly at all.

EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th.

You said the front office is ranked 26h.. Not sure what you are talking about. You mean Randy ? Yes, Randy is 26th, not the Wizards front office.

Whats pulling both EG and Teds rankings down is indeed Randy at 26th.

With a good/great coach. I suspect Ted would move up a few more slots and EG would make it to the 14-16th range. Average. Which is about where many of us have said be belongs. Average. And average was a huge upgrade over what this franchise had done before under Abe.

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct.


Do I think they can do better? Of course I do. Average is not great. We need great. But average was enough to help Ted transition as a new majority owner so I can understand why Ted keep him around during that period. But now that things have stabilized and Ted is no longer a new majority owner, the next moves will be judged more critically.


:lol: Another HOF post. :lol: Ok Hands, your Ernest is not THE worst, he's just one of the worst. I'm sure you want him making drafting and FA decisions forever right? Please tell us what he has improved at? Can't wait to hear it.


:lol: :lol:

Wrong again. Not shocking. Another fail.

I do not want him drafting.

But we could always bring back your favorite front office with Abe and Wes running the show. I'm sure we would be a great position if we brought them back. Hell, we can even bring back your favorite coach EFJ :lol:
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#811 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 1, 2015 2:01 pm

hands11 wrote:...EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th. ...

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct. ...

Dude! More w/ the "I was correct" stuff!! :)

Whatever jumps Ernie enjoyed in whatever polls were the result of him having what looked like a pretty good off-season and the team starting incredibly strongly: 19-6 -- that's a 60+ win season if you extend it out.

Since then we're 22-27 -- off of a 5 year rebuild, a zillion high picks, 2 ping pong ball jumps, tons of cap room to work with, etc. And we have very little "untapped potential" (i.e. very few young guys likely to improve significantly).

Ernie did some outstanding work in the Spring of 2010 to benefit from the FA craze then. And he got lucky w/ the ping pong balls right after that, and again in '13.

That's it for what he's done skillfully in the last 5 years. His drafts of Beal and Porter may turn out ok, but those guys were the default picks; he gets no special credit for them, and he didn't do anything particularly smart or strategic in either draft.

Is Ernie the worst GM in the league? I'd never say that -- not while Billy King has a job! :)

But, in your eagerness to be "correct," I think there's something more important that you may not be considering. Over the last decade, we've seen a sea change in the NBA, as the job of GM is filled by a different kind of person. Most GMs used to be ex-players -- the idea was that they had "a feel" for talent. Increasingly, that's changed radically to guys who have no background playing NBA ball, are extremely analytical, and don't operate on "feel."

Mostly, the successful GMs of our time come from that new group (Presti, Morey, Ujiri, etc.), and most teams doing a good job rebuilding from scratch now have GMs of that kind as well. Now, there are exceptions, of course: Ainge looks like he might be doing a good job rebuilding Boston for example. And of course, an ex-NBA player could also use the newer methodology (in fact, that's what Ainge looks to be doing).

Ernie is of the old school. One of the last of a dying breed.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#812 » by dckingsfan » Wed Apr 1, 2015 2:04 pm

I think with all of this back and forth - hands also agrees it is time for Grunfeld to go - and that is the bottom line.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#813 » by hands11 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 2:13 pm

payitforward wrote:
hands11 wrote:...EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th. ...

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct. ...

Dude! More w/ the "I was correct" stuff!! :)

Whatever jumps Ernie enjoyed in whatever polls were the result of him having what looked like a pretty good off-season and the team starting incredibly strongly: 19-6 -- that's a 60+ win season if you extend it out.

Since then we're 22-27 -- off of a 5 year rebuild, a zillion high picks, 2 ping pong ball jumps, tons of cap room to work with, etc. And we have very little "untapped potential" (i.e. very few young guys likely to improve significantly).

Ernie did some outstanding work in the Spring of 2010 to benefit from the FA craze then. And he got lucky w/ the ping pong balls right after that, and again in '13.

That's it for what he's done skillfully in the last 5 years. His drafts of Beal and Porter may turn out ok, but those guys were the default picks; he gets no special credit for them, and he didn't do anything particularly smart or strategic in either draft.

Is Ernie the worst GM in the league? I'd never say that -- not while Billy King has a job! :)

But, in your eagerness to be "correct," I think there's something more important that you may not be considering. Over the last decade, we've seen a sea change in the NBA, as the job of GM is filled by a different kind of person. Most GMs used to be ex-players -- the idea was that they had "a feel" for talent. Increasingly, that's changed radically to guys who have no background playing NBA ball, are extremely analytical, and don't operate on "feel."

Mostly, the successful GMs of our time come from that new group (Presti, Morey, Ujiri, etc.), and most teams doing a good job rebuilding from scratch now have GMs of that kind as well. Now, there are exceptions, of course: Ainge looks like he might be doing a good job rebuilding Boston for example. And of course, an ex-NBA player could also use the newer methodology (in fact, that's what Ainge looks to be doing).

Ernie is of the old school. One of the last of a dying breed.


Dude. More of this your are right stuff while pointing out the me being right stuff ? :) Go chase down every other post where someone says they were right. The board is littered with them. You know what, I'll do it for you and give you credit.

Nice post otherwise. I don't disagree with what you wrote. Not sure why you would think I would.

As I said. This is the offseason I think Ted targeted to decide on a change. And he is in a better position to do it now then he was before. Looking forward to the off season and seeing what he does. As I said before. I believe its more likely then not that he makes a front office change. Am I concerned. Of course I am. The known of EG may not be as good as we want. But compare that to what ? The unknown. What will Ted do ? Stay tuned.

Personally, I have some faith in Ted to do something better then what we have. The question is, how much better?

He has a great opportunity to set the franchise up for the next 5-10 years.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#814 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 1, 2015 2:36 pm

closg00 wrote:
hands11 wrote:
TGW wrote:CCJ—Ted definitely needs your help. If he thought resigning the 26th ranked front office in the league (according to ESPN) was a good move, then he could use your help, my help...hell even my 9 year old nephew's help. People gave Bruce Allen a hard time for saying the Skins were "winning off the field"....well Ted basically is saying the same thing because we know for sure none of the teams he's owned have come close to winning anything worth a damn.


Ted was 16th ranked owner which isn't bad at all for a new owner taking over a blown up franchise. Other new owner like the LAC took over a team already built.

You might want to look at the list to get a better idea of the other owners and their situations. Ted is not doing badly at all.

EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th.

You said the front office is ranked 26h.. Not sure what you are talking about. You mean Randy ? Yes, Randy is 26th, not the Wizards front office.

Whats pulling both EG and Teds rankings down is indeed Randy at 26th.

With a good/great coach. I suspect Ted would move up a few more slots and EG would make it to the 14-16th range. Average. Which is about where many of us have said be belongs. Average. And average was a huge upgrade over what this franchise had done before under Abe.

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct.


Do I think they can do better? Of course I do. Average is not great. We need great. But average was enough to help Ted transition as a new majority owner so I can understand why Ted keep him around during that period. But now that things have stabilized and Ted is no longer a new majority owner, the next moves will be judged more critically.


:lol: Another HOF post. :lol: Ok Hands, your Ernest is not THE worst, he's just one of the worst. I'm sure you want him making drafting and FA decisions forever right? Please tell us what he has improved at? Can't wait to hear it.

Here's the thing -- about a week ago, Hands was calling for Ernie to be fired. Not for the first time, btw. Now, we're reading defense of Ernie from him.

So... my question is: what does it mean to be "correct"??

Is it "correct" to say that Ernie has actually improved? What would make that correct? That he's gone up from 26th to 20th on a ranking list? That doesn't mean he's better. And it doesn't make Hands' prediction that Ernie would improve right either. Again, we're 22-27 over the last 49 games.

Or does "correct" mean stating what is the best decision we can make at a given moment, lets say a draft pick, and then turning out to be right, e.g. the player turns out to be the best player taken from that pick position forward?

Well sure! But how many real cases of that are there. E.g. in 2011, I'd have picked Leonard #6. No question, he's turned out to be the best guy available at that pick, and probably the best player in that whole draft. So I look back, and I was right! What a genius I am!

But, here's the thing: though I settled on Leonard, I had no idea he would become a star! Moreover, I settled on him because I thought the other guy I was interested in at #6 was a little too much of an unknown -- Biyombo. He's turned out to be a reasonably productive journeyman, but still....

I've had a long life of experience in ...whatver, etc. Here's something I'm pretty sure of -- people who need to be "right" need it even when they're wrong. Often they hang on to mistakes that others who made the same mistake have already let go of, insisting on things that others have long since abandoned.

The result I've seen most often is that their obsession with being right makes these folks wrong way more often than they'd be if they weren't so focussed on their own correctness.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#815 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 1, 2015 2:56 pm

hands11 wrote:... Go chase down every other post where someone says they were right. The board is littered with them. You know what, I'll do it for you and give you credit.

Too much trouble and a waste of time -- instead, chase down the posts where people say (something like) "I thought X but it turned out to be Y" or "I'd have taken Jones but I'd have been wrong -- Smith was better, and you were right to say so."

hands11 wrote:Nice post otherwise.

Thanks.

hands11 wrote:As I said. This is the offseason I think Ted targeted to decide on a change. And he is in a better position to do it now then he was before. Looking forward to the off season and seeing what he does. As I said before. I believe its more likely then not that he makes a front office change. Am I concerned. Of course I am. The known of EG may not be as good as we want. But compare that to what ? The unknown. What will Ted do ? Stay tuned.

Personally, I have some faith in Ted to do something better then what we have. The question is, how much better?

He has a great opportunity to set the franchise up for the next 5-10 years.

If by "a change" you mean that he's likely to replace Ernie -- I hope you're right.

For the rest, had Ted changed GMs long ago to someone out of the Presti/Morey systems, who then bought out RL, brought in young guys w/ a future instead of Okafor (no problem w/ acquiring Ariza), drafted well in '11 and R2 of '12, did not get forced by his own poor planning to dump our '14 R1 pick and overpay for Gortat (no problem trading for him in some other way or signing him as a FA), made a good pick last year in R1 (and R2 -- instead of selling the pick), he'd already have "set the franchise up for the next 5... years."

There's nothing optimal or "better position"ed about the "now" that comes after 4+ years of futility. Bad thinking and decisions usually lead to more bad thinking and decisions.

But... we are where we are, and we'll see what happens. We both know they'll throw Wittmann to the lions (no loss there). I'll be surprised -- and very happy! -- if Ted gives Ernie his walking papers, however.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#816 » by Dat2U » Wed Apr 1, 2015 3:03 pm

hands11 wrote:
TGW wrote:CCJ—Ted definitely needs your help. If he thought resigning the 26th ranked front office in the league (according to ESPN) was a good move, then he could use your help, my help...hell even my 9 year old nephew's help. People gave Bruce Allen a hard time for saying the Skins were "winning off the field"....well Ted basically is saying the same thing because we know for sure none of the teams he's owned have come close to winning anything worth a damn.


Ted was 16th ranked owner which isn't bad at all for a new owner taking over a blown up franchise. Other new owner like the LAC took over a team already built.

You might want to look at the list to get a better idea of the other owners and their situations. Ted is not doing badly at all.

EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th.

You said the front office is ranked 26h.. Not sure what you are talking about. You mean Randy ? Yes, Randy is 26th, not the Wizards front office.

Whats pulling both EG and Teds rankings down is indeed Randy at 26th.

With a good/great coach. I suspect Ted would move up a few more slots and EG would make it to the 14-16th range. Average. Which is about where many of us have said be belongs. Average. And average was a huge upgrade over what this franchise had done before under Abe.

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct.

Do I think they can do better? Of course I do. Average is not great. We need great. But average was enough to help Ted transition as a new majority owner so I can understand why Ted keep him around during that period. But now that things have stabilized and Ted is no longer a new majority owner, the next moves will be judged more critically.


:lol: It only gets better from here right?

Your post is ... a work of art in BS.

Please tell when ESPN became the standard bearer for measuring an NBA owner's effectiveness? Please do. How does one conclude that 30+ random ESPN writers know more than the fans of the organization who are engaged in the team's comings & goings on a daily basis?

Ernie is average? LOL. I think an average GM could do a little more with 4 top 6 picks (3 in the top 3), 9 1st rounders in total, numerous 2nd rd'ers, endless amounts of cap space and have more to show for it than Wall (let's make sure Ernie gets credit for drafting Wall it took a genius to see that, right? :wink: ) Beal and a role player we drafted with the 3rd pick that were trying our damnest to marginalize. Our 2nd & 3rd best players are not just long in the tooth, their ancient by NBA standards. This is not a situation created by a average NBA GM. It's created by a GM who has blown asset after asset and had to fill holes with bit pieces who over the hill, not reliable on a day-to-day basis or who aren't any good period.

Things have stablized? Not really, Wall is coming into his peak and the rest of the team around him is declining and fast. Out of 9 draft picks, 4 including Wall are left. Seraphin is a goner unless a bad decision is made and of course there's Beal & Porter who aren't moving the needle right now. We've got Rasual Butler averaging 20 minutes a night. Your boy Webby is an abject disaster who Ernie foolishly paid...Webby at this stage is a better rapper than basketball player and he's not that good at rapping.

Were basically in the same position under Abe/Ernie where our ability to maintain mediocrity is dependant on the health of our incredibly explosive guard. Instead of Gilbert, it's John. The pieces around him are different but the point remains. Ernie has no idea what he's doing and Ted is a terrible owner for allowing his ego to choose doing it his own way over doing it the right way (which would have been to fire Ernie the day he took over as owner).
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#817 » by payitforward » Wed Apr 1, 2015 4:22 pm

Dat2U wrote:
hands11 wrote:
TGW wrote:CCJ—Ted definitely needs your help. If he thought resigning the 26th ranked front office in the league (according to ESPN) was a good move, then he could use your help, my help...hell even my 9 year old nephew's help. People gave Bruce Allen a hard time for saying the Skins were "winning off the field"....well Ted basically is saying the same thing because we know for sure none of the teams he's owned have come close to winning anything worth a damn.


Ted was 16th ranked owner which isn't bad at all for a new owner taking over a blown up franchise. Other new owner like the LAC took over a team already built.

You might want to look at the list to get a better idea of the other owners and their situations. Ted is not doing badly at all.

EG is up to 20th ranked GM from like 26th last year. That goes to show you how a better owner affects a GM. That's really the lions share of what people call the front office and that is not 26th.

You said the front office is ranked 26h.. Not sure what you are talking about. You mean Randy ? Yes, Randy is 26th, not the Wizards front office.

Whats pulling both EG and Teds rankings down is indeed Randy at 26th.

With a good/great coach. I suspect Ted would move up a few more slots and EG would make it to the 14-16th range. Average. Which is about where many of us have said be belongs. Average. And average was a huge upgrade over what this franchise had done before under Abe.

I said EG would do better when he got a better owner and that was he wasn't the worst GM in the league as many claimed.

It appears I was correct.

Do I think they can do better? Of course I do. Average is not great. We need great. But average was enough to help Ted transition as a new majority owner so I can understand why Ted keep him around during that period. But now that things have stabilized and Ted is no longer a new majority owner, the next moves will be judged more critically.


:lol: It only gets better from here right?

Your post is ... a work of art in BS.

Please tell when ESPN became the standard bearer for measuring an NBA owner's effectiveness? Please do. How does one conclude that 30+ random ESPN writers know more than the fans of the organization who are engaged in the team's comings & goings on a daily basis?

Ernie is average? LOL. I think an average GM could do a little more with 4 top 6 picks (3 in the top 3), 9 1st rounders in total, numerous 2nd rd'ers, endless amounts of cap space and have more to show for it than Wall (let's make sure Ernie gets credit for drafting Wall it took a genius to see that, right? :wink: ) Beal and a role player we drafted with the 3rd pick that were trying our damnest to marginalize. Our 2nd & 3rd best players are not just long in the tooth, their ancient by NBA standards. This is not a situation created by a average NBA GM. It's created by a GM who has blown asset after asset and had to fill holes with bit pieces who over the hill, not reliable on a day-to-day basis or who aren't any good period.

Things have stablized? Not really, Wall is coming into his peak and the rest of the team around him is declining and fast. Out of 9 draft picks, 4 including Wall are left. Seraphin is a goner unless a bad decision is made and of course there's Beal & Porter who aren't moving the needle right now. We've got Rasual Butler averaging 20 minutes a night. Your boy Webby is an abject disaster who Ernie foolishly paid...Webby at this stage is a better rapper than basketball player and he's not that good at rapping.

Were basically in the same position under Abe/Ernie where our ability to maintain mediocrity is dependant on the health of our incredibly explosive guard. Instead of Gilbert, it's John. The pieces around him are different but the point remains. Ernie has no idea what he's doing and Ted is a terrible owner for allowing his ego to choose doing it his own way over doing it the right way (which would have been to fire Ernie the day he took over as owner).

Nailed it!
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#818 » by closg00 » Wed Apr 1, 2015 4:29 pm

.but but, we are set-up nicely for the future, all we need is a new coach..just leave EG in-charge, that's all we need to reach average....new coach + EG
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#819 » by DCZards » Wed Apr 1, 2015 5:26 pm

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Dude. More of this your are right stuff while pointing out the me being right stuff ? :) Go chase down every other post where someone says they were right. The board is littered with them. You know what, I'll do it for you and give you credit.


Been reluctant to weigh in on this but PIF is right, Hands. It seems like most--if not all--of your posts have that "I told you so" or "That's what I've been saying" or "Here's why I'm right again" tone about them. In fact, you sometimes use those exact words in your posts. It might simply just be your way of writing/communicating, but you need to know it's both annoying and obnoxious.
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Re: Official Randy Wittman Thread - Eat the Contract Ted 

Post#820 » by tontoz » Wed Apr 1, 2015 7:05 pm

When hands says "i told you so" he is able to spell the words correctly. That is certainly a welcome change.
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