2012 NBA Draft - Part V

[jivelikenice]

Ruz, agreed on the Pippen comment as well. If we're evaluating Beal v. MKG it makes sense to throw out the abberations or outliers on both ends of the scale. For MKG that means eliminating the Pippen comparison as his best case and Chris Singleton as the worst case. For Beal, I'd eliminate Wade as his best case and throw out Gary Neal as a worst case.

After taking that into consider here's my take on the two guys:

MKG
Best case- Igoudola with a better jumpshot. I do not agree with those who call his shot broken. its unorthodox and needs some work, but his release and elbow position on his shooting arm aren't bad and he has a pretty soft touch on his shots. The key for him will be getting rid of the junk between when he starts the shot and when he's ready to release it.
Worst case- Kawhi Leonard. I think this is a realistic floor. I don't view Kawhi as a star, but a good role player on a team with capable scorers.
Median- Gerald Wallace

Beal
Best Case- A healthy Eric Gordon. I think that's a realistic best case considering Gordon's ability to get to the hoop pre-injuries
Worst Case- A better Randy Foye. This assumes he develops decent handles but can't translate his athleticism to the court and ends up as ineffective finisher who becomes prone to settling for pull-up J's.

I don't think we can go wrong with any of the 3 who seem to be in serious consideration which is why I don't get the need to slam one to build up another. My preference as of now would still be MKG over Beal but for the following reasons:

1. Roster build-up. I don't like team built around a backcourt.
2. Identity- MKG would be another guy who will play long, disrupt offenses, and run the floor. I'd like to see this team develop an identity.
3. Leadership- Can't be underrated. This team has started to change the culture, but its not there yet. Wall, Seraphin, Vesely, and Book all seem like hard workers but i don't see a leader out of the group. Wall also has a propensity to sulk when things don't go well. A player like MKG, who will refuse to accept losing and will force guys to come to the gym early or late to get in extra work can be a huge plus to this team and to Wall. For all the criticism Arenas received here, nobdoy doubted his work ethic in terms of improving his game and MKG sounds like he has a similar mindset, minus the Agent Zero stuff....
Versatility- i think he'll develop into a scorer but will bring more to the table even when he's not contributing as a scorer

[payitforward]

New thread alert: We may be ignoring two critical picks in our back and forth about Beal and MK-G (etc.). So I put up a new thread devoted to our #32 and #46 picks.

Give those numbers some love!

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Ves will shoot all-day in practice, but when it's game-time, he won't shoot. View his Euro games, he does the same-thing, it's the way that his game has developed. Also, for 7-footer, he won't post-up, even against guards. Let's see if he has added anything to his game in SL.

Players that don't shoot much can still be very effective, Rondo and Rodman come
to mind as completely different examples of that. Vesely could eventually become
his own example of someone like that.

I really like the way Ves passes the ball both to start breaks and in the half court.
That said, it would be most helpful to the Wizards if the player who ultimately shoots,
was a knock-down shooter.

Why don't people just wholly acept the fact that hustle and energy shouldn't be the main contribution of a player selected sixth overall? Neither Rondo nor Rodman were selected that high. Vesely is what he is, unless he's moved the team is stuck with him. I appreciate the energy, hustle, anticipation, and athleticism by the way. Grunfeld would mess it up two years straight if he selected Gilchrist, though I do understand what he would bring as well.

[closg00]

Anyone think we can go non-offense with one one of our 2nd round picks. Perhaps Plumlee for front court depth if Blatche is dispatched?

[Knighthonor]

New thread alert: We may be ignoring two critical picks in our back and forth about Beal and MK-G (etc.). So I put up a new thread devoted to our #32 and #46 picks.

Give those numbers some love!

question, are those the wizard's 2nd round picks?

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I really hope we Draft Thomas Robinson. He's first on my list and then it's Beal. I just think Robinson is more nba ready then MKG and Beal.

Man it's gotta be Harrison Barnes, Bradley Beal if Charlotte surprises folks; they take Beal, the selection should be an easy one. Barnes will be the best player of this draft class.

[7-Day Dray]

BOLD PREDICTION: Andre Drummond and Harrison Barnes will be the only All-Stars that come out of this draft., besides Davis of course.

[Dat2U]

Please stop with the Beal/Wade comparisons! It's just laughable. Why don't I just compare MKG to MJ then since we can bring up any random comparison to a star to fit our argument?

Well, you've yet to provide justification as to why it's laughable, so there's really no reason to stop.

But it's cool, continue disparaging others without providing any evidence.

Honestly, I would think some things would be given but obviously not. For the fact that I have to explain this to you irritates me to no end.

I said it a few pages back. Athletically, stylistically and skillwise they are not similar. I don't care what the measurements say, if you seen Wade play you know he's an electric athlete and can create offense and quality shots at will because of his ball skills and athleticism. Beal doesn't play a similar type of game. He's more of shooter than a shot creator that can get to rim with reckless abandon. Nor is he comparable athlete to Wade if you've seen both play.

So to summarize, they have nothing in common other than they play the same position. There's not one single defining trait that warrants a comparison. Hence the laugh-ability factor.

[Dat2U]

I've seen more MKG to Pippen comps - which are just as ridiculous as the Beal to Wade comps.

At least with MKG to Pippen you could point to MKG's impact defensively and ability to guard multiple positions (which is where Pippen was truly a catalyst) as well as MKG's skill at finishing in around the rim.

Athletically I think Pippen was superior but MKG at over 230 lbs already as an 18 yr old will likely end up stronger and be more a 'bull in a china shop' type.

[penbeast0]

Actually the guy Beal reminds me of is Hersey Hawkins. Long career as a solid complementary player, slightly undersized shooter although Hersey's handles were a bit better but Beal's rebounding is stronger to compensate.

[80sballboy]

Actually the guy Beal reminds me of is Hersey Hawkins. Long career as a solid complementary player, slightly undersized shooter although Hersey's handles were a bit better but Beal's rebounding is stronger to compensate.

Beal is physically bigger than Hersey Hawkins. Hersey was maybe 6-3 at 190. Couldn't create his own shot, wasn't a passer but could shoot and score. Didn't have good enough strength to drive the lane. Hard to tell how good Beal would have been in college after playing just one year.

[DCZards]

While I still see some Wade in Beal, there's another guy who also comes to mind when I think of Beal. Mitch Richmond. Mitch was not as good as athlete as Wade or as good off the dribble, but he was a much better shooter than Wade, as I expect Beal to be. Mitch was a solid 6'5, a height I could see the 18 year old Beal growing to. I expect Beal to be a good rebounder for SG...like both Wade and Richmond. And Beal will probably be an above average shotblocker for a SG...not unlike Wade who is probably the best shotblocking SG in the game.

[popper]

Anyone think we can go non-offense with one one of our 2nd round picks. Perhaps Plumlee for front court depth if Blatche is dispatched?

I think Plumlee would be a wise choice. There is no way we get through a full season with just Nene and Seraphin at center. I like Plumlee's ceiling as a seven footer with hops and coming from a good bball program. In a couple of years I think he could be quite good.

[closg00]

Oklahoma City Thunder – The Thunder hold pick No. 28, but it’s unlikely that they’ll keep it. Sources close to the situation say that Oklahoma City is satisfied with their young core and they aren’t interested in paying a prospect guaranteed money when he likely won’t be part of the rotation. The Thunder will likely trade or sell the pick. If they aren’t able to move the selection, expect them to draft a foreign player who they can keep overseas for several years.

Please try to get this pick Wizards, we could buy this pick and package it with 32 and possibly move into the teens.

[nate33]

Oklahoma City Thunder – The Thunder hold pick No. 28, but it’s unlikely that they’ll keep it. Sources close to the situation say that Oklahoma City is satisfied with their young core and they aren’t interested in paying a prospect guaranteed money when he likely won’t be part of the rotation. The Thunder will likely trade or sell the pick. If they aren’t able to move the selection, expect them to draft a foreign player who they can keep overseas for several years.

Please try to get this pick Wizards, we could buy this pick and package it with 32 and possibly move into the teens.

We should be able to trade our #33 straight up for the #28 just to help them avoid taking on a guaranteed contract.

[nate33]

Anyone think we can go non-offense with one one of our 2nd round picks. Perhaps Plumlee for front court depth if Blatche is dispatched?

I think Plumlee would be a wise choice. There is no way we get through a full season with just Nene and Seraphin at center. I like Plumlee's ceiling as a seven footer with hops and coming from a good bball program. In a couple of years I think he could be quite good.

Good point. I hadn't really thought of that but you're right. We are going to need a 3rd string center. It wouldn't hurt to keep our eyes open in the 2nd round for the right guy. We could also look for an aging veteran who will sign a 1-year vet minimum contract. Somebody like Tony Battie.

[Knighthonor]

Oklahoma City Thunder – The Thunder hold pick No. 28, but it’s unlikely that they’ll keep it. Sources close to the situation say that Oklahoma City is satisfied with their young core and they aren’t interested in paying a prospect guaranteed money when he likely won’t be part of the rotation. The Thunder will likely trade or sell the pick. If they aren’t able to move the selection, expect them to draft a foreign player who they can keep overseas for several years.

Please try to get this pick Wizards, we could buy this pick and package it with 32 and possibly move into the teens.

We should be able to trade our #33 straight up for the #28 just to help them avoid taking on a guaranteed contract.

what you believe the wizards should get from that deep in?

any big roleplayers in mind?

[dangermouse]

What was all that stuff about Wall mentoring MKG in his interview? Should we read between the lines there?

Also:

Drummond to workout for Wizards monday

Someone puncture the tyres on EG's car that day please.

[Knighthonor]

What was all that stuff about Wall mentoring MKG in his interview? Should we read between the lines there?

whats this you speak of?

[payitforward]

Oklahoma City Thunder – The Thunder hold pick No. 28, but it’s unlikely that they’ll keep it. Sources close to the situation say that Oklahoma City is satisfied with their young core and they aren’t interested in paying a prospect guaranteed money when he likely won’t be part of the rotation. The Thunder will likely trade or sell the pick. If they aren’t able to move the selection, expect them to draft a foreign player who they can keep overseas for several years.

Please try to get this pick Wizards, we could buy this pick and package it with 32 and possibly move into the teens.

We should be able to trade our #33 straight up for the #28 just to help them avoid taking on a guaranteed contract.

Maybe we could give them our #32 (not 33, btw) and Crawford for their #28 ??

Actually, I'd give the #28 and Crawford for the #33 !!