Bradley Beal

[Dark Faze]

You have literally nothing to base that on bro. If you take his high school career out of the equation and just look at what he did in college and now--he's a trash shooter as an undersized 2 with bad ball handle.

I mean what sort of potential is that really?

I'd include him in a package for Reke and Cousins to be honest.

[AFM]

Wow.

[Nivek]

You have literally nothing to base that on bro. If you take his high school career out of the equation and just look at what he did in college and now--he's a trash shooter as an undersized 2 with bad ball handle.

I mean what sort of potential is that really?

I'd include him in a package for Reke and Cousins to be honest.

Beal didn't shoot well from 3pt range in college, but his all-around game was comparable to other freshman guards who turned out to be terrific NBA players -- Jordan, Drexler, Vince Carter. There's good reason to think Beal has the potential to become an excellent pro in time.

There's also ample evidence to argue that he could be a bust. He has not played well in the NBA -- no doubt about that. He's been bad. But, young players improve, often by a lot.

I think one of the problems he has in terms of fan reaction is the bill of goods that was sold -- that he was going to be a Ray Allen-type shooter. Allen is possibly the best shooter who ever lived. As Bum Phillips once said of Earl Campbell, If he ain't in a class by himself, it don't take long to call roll.

Beal has the potential to be a really good pro. The question on him is the same as it is with every young player with potential: Is he willing to do the work to be great?

[Dark Faze]

It's not even about 3pters anymore with Beal.

As far as the all around game--a few boards and assits per is something any 2 guard can put up with enough minutes.

I do like his hustle on defense, but his offensive game is completely jacked right now.

[Nivek]

Yeah, his offensive game is definitely jacked. As I've pointed out more than once, that has been the case for most teenage rookie guards. The jackedness of his game as a teenage rookie doesn't say much about his NBA future. What's going to matter is what he does in the offseason to address the deficiencies that are being exposed.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If Bradley Beal were my son my desire would be for him to be on any team beside the Wizards. Their recent history has been to lose and to blame young players. I don't see anyone getting better with Washington but I do see players who leave seem happier elsewhere.

Beal needs to work on scoring off pick-and-roll situations, as well as on getting his shot off without getting it blocked. Beal should further develop his speed and quickness. I think he might want to release the ball slightly higher as well. Beal is going to have to work hard to be a complete player and for the near future forget about being a star.

It would help if the team he is on didn't try to force too much too soon.

[Dark Faze]

eh, wizards players setting the world on fire elsewhere is pretty overstated

Arenas : Awful in Orlando, out of the league
Jamison: He hasn't been as good anywhere else as he has in Washington
Blatche: TBD, of course he's going to try hard in a contract year when failure means he has to play in China. With that said he's part of a team that had enough dysfunction to get the coach fired.
McGee: The Nuggets undoubtedly regret this signing. He plays beneath Koufous and is still prone to dumb mistakes on the regular. Marginally better than he was in Washington but its mostly because there are better pieces around him.
Butler: Playing about as well as he did in Washington--still injury prone.
Stevenson: Didn't do anything for the Mavs that he didn't do for us
Rashard: Fell completely out of Miamis rotation

Now thats not to say that this FO isn't terrible...its probably the worst in the league right now, but none of our bad players magically figured it out anywhere else either. We're drafting badly.

[noworriesinmd]

eh, wizards players setting the world on fire elsewhere is pretty overstated

Arenas : Awful in Orlando, out of the league
Jamison: He hasn't been as good anywhere else as he has in Washington
Blatche: TBD, of course he's going to try hard in a contract year when failure means he has to play in China. With that said he's part of a team that had enough dysfunction to get the coach fired.
McGee: The Nuggets undoubtedly regret this signing. He plays beneath Koufous and is still prone to dumb mistakes on the regular. Marginally better than he was in Washington but its mostly because there are better pieces around him.
Butler: Playing about as well as he did in Washington--still injury prone.
Stevenson: Didn't do anything for the Mavs that he didn't do for us
Rashard: Fell completely out of Miamis rotation

Now thats not to say that this FO isn't terrible...its probably the worst in the league right now, but none of our bad players magically figured it out anywhere else either. We're drafting badly.

Bravo!!!

[noworriesinmd]

eh, wizards players setting the world on fire elsewhere is pretty overstated

Arenas : Awful in Orlando, out of the league
Jamison: He hasn't been as good anywhere else as he has in Washington
Blatche: TBD, of course he's going to try hard in a contract year when failure means he has to play in China. With that said he's part of a team that had enough dysfunction to get the coach fired.
McGee: The Nuggets undoubtedly regret this signing. He plays beneath Koufous and is still prone to dumb mistakes on the regular. Marginally better than he was in Washington but its mostly because there are better pieces around him.
Butler: Playing about as well as he did in Washington--still injury prone.
Stevenson: Didn't do anything for the Mavs that he didn't do for us
Rashard: Fell completely out of Miamis rotation

Now thats not to say that this FO isn't terrible...its probably the worst in the league right now, but none of our bad players magically figured it out anywhere else either. We're drafting badly.

Bravo!!!

[DCZards]

I also don't know how much "happier" some of the former Zards are with their new teams. McGee's minutes have gone from 27 per game with the Zards to less than 20 with Denver and Nick's minutes have gone from around 30 per game to around 24 for Philly.

[hands11]

eh, wizards players setting the world on fire elsewhere is pretty overstated

Arenas : Awful in Orlando, out of the league
Jamison: He hasn't been as good anywhere else as he has in Washington
Blatche: TBD, of course he's going to try hard in a contract year when failure means he has to play in China. With that said he's part of a team that had enough dysfunction to get the coach fired.
McGee: The Nuggets undoubtedly regret this signing. He plays beneath Koufous and is still prone to dumb mistakes on the regular. Marginally better than he was in Washington but its mostly because there are better pieces around him.
Butler: Playing about as well as he did in Washington--still injury prone.
Stevenson: Didn't do anything for the Mavs that he didn't do for us
Rashard: Fell completely out of Miamis rotation

Now thats not to say that this FO isn't terrible...its probably the worst in the league right now, but none of our bad players magically figured it out anywhere else either. We're drafting badly.

Lets not forget Kwame. EG really took LAL out to the wood shed on that one.

You also left out
Rip and Webber. But Rip, Webber and Rashard were all legit ballers. They were going to play well wherever they were. Here or not. Abe really screwed that up by axing Nash who was putting together a talented team.

One of the biggest blunder was letting Ben Wallace go. I called that one when they did it. Now I had no idea he would be as awesome as he became at that level, but Ben was one of it not my favorite player on the team that year. He was clearly a beast. He average 8.3 rebounds 2.0 blocks in 26.8 minutes

It was rough watching Det play so well with R Wallace, Rip and Big Ben knowing those were all Wizards.

[nate33]

FWIW, the discarding of Rip, RWallace and B.Wallace were done prior to the Grunfeld administration. I think it's fair to say that Grunfeld hasn't given up prematurely on any Wizards. For the most part, guys that he unloaded ended up playing the same or worse with their new teams. The only real exceptions have been Alonzo Gee and Blatche.

Blatche is an interesting case. It's probably the case that Blatche would not have achieved a similar turnaround if he stayed here because the fans hate him and would have booed him for every missed shot. With that the case, EG really had no choice but to deal him, even if he knew that Blatche had worked himself into pretty good shape at the time the deal went down.

[hands11]

I also don't know how much "happier" some of the former Zards are with their new teams. McGee's minutes have gone from 27 per game with the Zards to less than 20 with Denver and Nick's minutes have gone from around 30 per game to around 24 for Philly.

Right where they should be on a better team.

Both players blow it here. Both had the inside track to be legit starters if they worked on what they needed to work on which was focusing more on growing up instead of planking.

Nick needed to focus on driving more and getting fouls while also rebounding and passing more. He did make decent progress the one year they made him a starter but it was to late and he wanted to much for a new contract.

McGee needed to work on his pick setting and defense more then his offense. Even all that summer work he just did seemed to focus on offense. We needed a starting center and he was given a ton of opportunity to become that for us. Trading him for Nene was a great move considering if we signed him to a new contract it would be for to much and to long so we would be stuck starting him.

While this team hasn't been winning ( I think mostly do to injuries ) I do not miss the days of McGee, Nick, Dray and Gil and all their immaturity.

This team is much more professional. Even through the loses, they are staying together, playing hard and putting in the work to get better. Once healthy, I think we start to see more winning to match the better locker room and roster. Now this team still has some immature players on it, but they are immature by age, not by nature. I have a lot more faith in Beal, Kevin, Temple, Singleton, Ves and Mack getting it then I did in Nick, McGee or even Gil.

Waiting it out for AJ, CB, Haywood, Gil and DS to all get healthy and make some noise was a flawed idea. That team was never going anywhere in the playoffs because they didn't have the players committed to playing defense nor a coach to make them.

Waiting for this roster to get healthy is totally different. Once healthy they should be a top 5 defensive team that can run and has a post presence with a couple players that can drive. That is a much better winning formula. I say this roster is better then any of those EFG playoff rosters. They just need to add/find some 3 pt shooting.

[hands11]

FWIW, the discarding of Rip, RWallace and B.Wallace were done prior to the Grunfeld administration. I think it's fair to say that Grunfeld hasn't given up prematurely on any Wizards. For the most part, guys that he unloaded ended up playing the same or worse with their new teams. The only real exceptions have been Alonzo Gee and Blatche.

Blatche is an interesting case. It's probably the case that Blatche would not have achieved a similar turnaround if he stayed here because the fans hate him and would have booed him for every missed shot. With that the case, EG really had no choice but to deal him, even if he knew that Blatche had worked himself into pretty good shape at the time the deal went down.

Dray isn't really playing any better then he did here in 09-'10

I agree Dray would have had a tougher time of it here if he returned because of the angry mop mentality. But they could have done some DL and also played him on the road until he established himself. But it would have been tough for sure.

Just sucked it played out how it did when we could have used him and we could have gotten something for him verse paying 24M for him to walk. But thats what the angry mob wanted and the box they .. along with Dray himself.. put the team in.

But they made a decision and the slate if more clean now moving forward. It is a team of better character players. I think that is going to start to show some results when they get Trevor A and Wall back.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

First of all, Happy New Year!

Second, I didn't want to argue and I said they are "HAPPIER", which is SUBJECTIVE. You have your opinion and I have mine.

Third, here were go…...

Why I say McGee is HAPPIER:

Javale's paychecks are fatter.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... eja01.html

Signed July 18, 2012 for an assumed $44,000,000 for 4 years.

He's playing better than ever. This stuff about Denver regretting signing him is speculation.

Here are some FACTS as to why I say he's better:

--McGee averages 20.0 points, 9.5 rebounds, 3.9 blocks per 30 minutes.
--His PER is 22.7 and his WS/48 is .164.
--McGee ranks #2 in block percentage, #4 in FG%, #4 in eFG%, #6 in blocks, and #10 in blocks per game.

Javale's getting paid a ton that Washington didn't want to pay, he's been 7 games in the playoffs, he's on a winning team, and he's player better than ever.

If you say Javale McGee is not happier in Denver I say you're wrong.

Why is Andre Blatche "HAPPIER"? Please. How many highlights have I seen of Blatche just this season? More than in all his other seasons combined. How much press has he gotten? A lot and all of it POSITIVE this season. Is he happier? Blatche is getting ALL THAT WIZARDS CONTRACT MONEY plus more from Brooklyn.

DeShawn Stevenson only raised the roof celebrating Dallas' Championship. He started for New Jersey. He's starting or playing significant minutes with Atlanta. Twice he's had good games against the Wizards. Atlanta leads the division and DeShawn is a much-respected veteran leader under Larry Drew. Think he'd rather be a Wizard? NO. Just like the two above. DeShawn is happy not being a Wizard.

You guys do know that Caron's team has won 17 straight, right? He's starting on the team with the best record. Butler has gone over 30 a couple times and had 29 or so last game. He's at the height of his career. Darn right Caron is happier.


My statement might not be what you want to hear, but if Bradley Beal were my son I'd hope he gets off the Wizards. His career would go nowhere but up.

As it is, he's got to improve as a pro and he will in time. This thread I've seen a few impatient, disappointed Wizards fans down Beal. My comments are that the guy is 19 and it is not his fault the Wizards drafted him. He doesn't shoot like Ray Allen. Beal is doing everything but shooting pretty well. Yet, fans are already calling him a bust.

His biggest problems are impatient fans and a bad organization. If he were my son I'd pray for a trade.

[DCZards]

I think we actually agree,ccj. McGee is happy that Denver gave him a big contract and most Zard fans are happy that the Zards are not the ones overpaying him. I'd call that a win-win.

[Dr Positivity]

I think you guys should be encouraged that Beal is hitting 86%+ on FTs on a decent 79 attempts. If he maintains a FT percentage like that it's almost a sure thing that he figures out how to hit 3s. I would bet on Beal figuring out how to shoot 3s well before I would Harrison Barnes, because Barnes so far is only hitting 70% of his FTs to go along with mediocre 3pt shooting

[TheKingOfVa360]

Beal haters, time to eat some crow. Kid looks like a star tonight

[gambitx777]

If this is what he can become once fully ready, i say that pick might play out well. Let's see if he can put together a string of games like this. He just needs to build his confidence, i think that game helped !

[tontoz]

I am still not concerned. I think his perimeter shooting has been poor not because he can't shoot but because he is a nervous rookie lacking confidence. I think he also needs to learn how to finish inside against NBA defenders.

If he is still struggling with open jumpers in March then i will start worrying.