Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[deneem4]

Pcbothwei -- lets drop it. The only test of correctness would be for the trade to happen, & they won't oblige us by making it so.

Off the subject and just thinking outside the box, I would do a "flash" rebuild if given the chance. Moreso than a long term one. Meaning I would dump everything and everyone to take multiple shots in a one or two year span at landing elite level talent in the draft. Then immediately surround that young talent with veteran role players to expedite their growth.

We actually are well positioned to do this if the experiment with Dwight doesn't work. Both Beal & Porter should carry solid trade value. Wall, unless he suffers another injury should be moveable as his reputation outsizes his impact even when he's struggling because he can still put up quality numbers. Oubre carries value as well so it's an interesting option to look at if we struggle to start the year

U can send wall and oubre to Brooklyn
Beal to magic
Porter to kings

And all those teams get better to the point they’re fringe playoff contenders and we draft mid lottery

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U can send wall and oubre to Brooklyn
Beal to magic
Porter to kings

And all those teams get better to the point they’re fringe playoff contenders and we draft mid lottery

You think the Magic -- just as they are but adding Beal -- become a "fringe playoff contender." Huh.... Lets see; last year they won 25 games, & it took 43 wins to make the playoffs in the East. I guess that means they'd have won lets say 39 or 40 games. Which makes Bradley Beal worth 14 wins all on his own.

The Kings won 27 games, but it took 47 wins to get into the WC playoffs. So, you're saying they would have won what...? 16 more games with Porter & no other changes?

Brooklyn won 28 games... so adding Wall & Oubre takes them up to what... 41 wins? Jumping up by 13 wins.

Those 4 guys, moved to 3 other teams, push them up a total of 43 wins in your book.

43 wins -- that was our total last year, right?

[gambitx777]

Wall definitely would net us something. Porter has value but he is clearly over paid, but its not like its a parsons situation, he still puts up positive numbers, hes just about 7 mill over paid than he should be. I wouldn't mind keeping beal and kelly in this situation to be honest. soft reboot with out wall. I love john wall, but at this point i just don't see his commitment to winning. i hope he proves me wrong.

[penbeast0]

Of the Wiz's 3 big salaries, I think Beal is the only one that selling now is selling at near max value. Wall's value is depressed by his injuries and contract; he had a poor year last year. Porter didn't put up big numbers but was super efficient, they might try featuring him in the offense the way they do Beal now if they trade Beal and see if he is still super efficient getting enough shots to average 20 a game or does he not have the ability to get his shot that often.

The teams with enough extra cap space to solve the Wiz cap space problems are, indeed, generally not good teams but Beal is quite young and would fit with their rebuilds. So, maybe we can work out a Beal for cap space and a couple of good prospect (like Hield and WCS from Sac) and give Oubre, Sato, and/or the prospects a chance to compete for a starting spot.

Otherwise, it's just can we get someone to take our expirings for Oubre and try to get down that way, or Mahinmi and our first for cap space and try to get down that way.

Those are what I see as the best options; a Porter for pure cap space or our 1st to take on our expirings are the worst case scenarios (and what I fear from the Grunfelator).

[penbeast0]

U can send wall and oubre to Brooklyn
Beal to magic
Porter to kings

And all those teams get better to the point they’re fringe playoff contenders and we draft mid lottery

You think the Magic -- just as they are but adding Beal -- become a "fringe playoff contender." Huh.... Lets see; last year they won 25 games, & it took 43 wins to make the playoffs in the East. I guess that means they'd have won lets say 39 or 40 games. Which makes Bradley Beal worth 14 wins all on his own.

The Kings won 27 games, but it took 47 wins to get into the WC playoffs. So, you're saying they would have won what...? 16 more games with Porter & no other changes?

Brooklyn won 28 games... so adding Wall & Oubre takes them up to what... 41 wins? Jumping up by 13 wins.

Those 4 guys, moved to 3 other teams, push them up a total of 43 wins in your book.

43 wins -- that was our total last year, right?

All these teams have youngsters that can grow and could, in theory, coalesce around a young core star like Beal. It's not simply additive or else the NBA would be pretty boring. So, yes, it's possible. How likely is the argument.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Of the Wiz's 3 big salaries, I think Beal is the only one that selling now is selling at near max value. Wall's value is depressed by his injuries and contract; he had a poor year last year. Porter didn't put up big numbers but was super efficient, they might try featuring him in the offense the way they do Beal now if they trade Beal and see if he is still super efficient getting enough shots to average 20 a game or does he not have the ability to get his shot that often.

The teams with enough extra cap space to solve the Wiz cap space problems are, indeed, generally not good teams but Beal is quite young and would fit with their rebuilds. So, maybe we can work out a Beal for cap space and a couple of good prospect (like Hield and WCS from Sac) and give Oubre, Sato, and/or the prospects a chance to compete for a starting spot.

Otherwise, it's just can we get someone to take our expirings for Oubre and try to get down that way, or Mahinmi and our first for cap space and try to get down that way.

Those are what I see as the best options; a Porter for pure cap space or our 1st to take on our expirings are the worst case scenarios (and what I fear from the Grunfelator).

Plus, trading Beal allows for starting Oubre or Satoransky at SG in an offense that FINALLY emphasizes Otto Porter as a #2 scorer.

[penbeast0]

Plus, trading Beal allows for starting Oubre or Satoransky at SG in an offense that FINALLY emphasizes Otto Porter as a #2 scorer.

I'd say #2 option (Wall will certainly still have the most time of possession if healthy) but #1 scorer (as in most shots taken/points scored) would be a better sign for our offense.

[gambitx777]

I still don't think Ian needs to be attached to first, look at all the overpaid bigs that have been getting moved lately. Ian's contract is not as bad as it was as a 4 or 3 year deal. Its bassically 2 years 30 mill or a solid defencive big, and if you are a bad to average cap strapped team in need of a center. then, trading for him, actually for him, isn't the worst move ever. If you have an expiring contract or something like that you want to chuck.

[Ruzious]

Only 1 more day to be eligible to use the stretch provision. I'm surprise there's been no local talk about the Wiz using it on Mahinmi - positive or negative.

[deneem4]

U can send wall and oubre to Brooklyn
Beal to magic
Porter to kings

And all those teams get better to the point they’re fringe playoff contenders and we draft mid lottery

You think the Magic -- just as they are but adding Beal -- become a "fringe playoff contender." Huh.... Lets see; last year they won 25 games, & it took 43 wins to make the playoffs in the East. I guess that means they'd have won lets say 39 or 40 games. Which makes Bradley Beal worth 14 wins all on his own.

The Kings won 27 games, but it took 47 wins to get into the WC playoffs. So, you're saying they would have won what...? 16 more games with Porter & no other changes?

Brooklyn won 28 games... so adding Wall & Oubre takes them up to what... 41 wins? Jumping up by 13 wins.

Those 4 guys, moved to 3 other teams, push them up a total of 43 wins in your book.

43 wins -- that was our total last year, right?

Fox hield porter bagley and Cauleystein is a great young core

Hield has become a proven shooter
Fox can now enter as John wall lite with an ultra efficient porter who can keep the defense honest on drives combine that with bagley and Cayley Stein down low you have a good core...they won’t be a top seed but they fight for the last seed. That’s a pretty talented roster with some good depth coming off the bench

Wall russel Harris Jefferson Allen makes the playoff in the east...Russell and Harris getting setup by wall spencer crabbe and Carroll is some decent talent coming off the bench as well

Magic makes it as well magic might make the playoffs this year if Gordon is health and bamba lives up to the hype
Adding beal gives them the offensive firepower they lacked last year

[barelyawake]

The more I look at it, the more the story goes trade Beal for a big with defensive and leadership abilities.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Sato/Rivers/Brown
Porter/Oubre/Green
MIllsap/Porter/Green
Howard/MIllsap/Diaw

That’s my current dream. With them giving us a pick, because of the age difference.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The more I look at it, the more the story goes trade Beal for a big with defensive and leadership abilities.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Sato/Rivers/Brown
Porter/Oubre/Green
MIllsap/Porter/Green
Howard/MIllsap/Diaw

That’s my current dream. With them giving us a pick, because of the age difference.

That's a MUCH BETTER team than we've had since...the team with Webber. Probably even better because of the experience.

[payitforward]

Off the subject and just thinking outside the box, I would do a "flash" rebuild if given the chance. Moreso than a long term one. Meaning I would dump everything and everyone to take multiple shots in a one or two year span at landing elite level talent in the draft. Then immediately surround that young talent with veteran role players to expedite their growth.

We actually are well positioned to do this if the experiment with Dwight doesn't work. Both Beal & Porter should carry solid trade value. Wall, unless he suffers another injury should be moveable as his reputation outsizes his impact even when he's struggling because he can still put up quality numbers. Oubre carries value as well so it's an interesting option to look at if we struggle to start the year

Huh... this is a new notion from you.

If next year's draft is as weak as people claim it will be (???), it might not be the right time to do it. Plus, I would be hard pressed to trade Porter.

It's interesting to think about what it would have been like to do your "flash rebuild" as we were coming off of the strong 2016-17 season & looking at the strong 2017 & 2018 drafts.

Wall had a terrific year; could we have moved him to the Lakers for both their 2017 low R1 picks (Kuzma & Hart) plus Larry Nance?
Could we have moved Beal to Utah for their 2017 & 2018 R1 picks? Donovan Mitchell & Grayson Allen.
Could we have moved Oubre to Brooklyn for their 2017 #22 pick (Jarrett Allen) & 2018 #29 pick (take Mitchell Robinson).

You'd have to assume our 2017-18 season would have seen us out of the playoffs & with a higher pair of picks in the 2018 draft. Maybe we wind up with Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Khyri Thomas?

Lets see... where would that leave us at the start of this off-season?

PG: Tomas Satoransky, Donovan Mitchell, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
SG: Josh Hart, Grayson Allen, Khyri Thomas, Jodie Meeks
SF: Otto Porter, Kyle Kuzma
PF: Larry Nance, Markieff Morris, Mitchell Robinson
C: Marcin Gortat, Ian Mahinmi, Jarrett Allen, Thomas Bryant, Jason Smith

Of course, we might not have signed Meeks as a FA the previous off season -- perhaps a 3 instead. & this off season, we'd still trade Gortat, but for a 3 if at all possible. We might or might not sign Howard.

That's a good team, I'd say -- & one with an awful lot of trade assets. Oh, & no cap or luxury tax problems.

Of course this is entirely hindsight. Doesn't mean much. If anything. Interesting though....

[Sactowndog]

Only 1 more day to be eligible to use the stretch provision. I'm surprise there's been no local talk about the Wiz using it on Mahinmi - positive or negative.

No word on the stretch. It appears the Wiz are going to roll forward as constructed. Oubre will be a major free agent target next summer I would guess.

[NYG]

How far off from getting below the luxury tax would the Wizards be after a Courtney Lee and Trey Burke for Austin Rivers and Jason Smith trade?

[dckingsfan]

Off the subject and just thinking outside the box, I would do a "flash" rebuild if given the chance. Moreso than a long term one. Meaning I would dump everything and everyone to take multiple shots in a one or two year span at landing elite level talent in the draft. Then immediately surround that young talent with veteran role players to expedite their growth.

We actually are well positioned to do this if the experiment with Dwight doesn't work. Both Beal & Porter should carry solid trade value. Wall, unless he suffers another injury should be moveable as his reputation outsizes his impact even when he's struggling because he can still put up quality numbers. Oubre carries value as well so it's an interesting option to look at if we struggle to start the year

I am right there with you - and the more I think about it, why not give it this year to see if it pans out.

[queridiculo]

How far off from getting below the luxury tax would the Wizards be after a Courtney Lee and Trey Burke for Austin Rivers and Jason Smith trade?

Saves the Wizards around $4 million, but the Wizards would still be between $8-9 million from getting below the luxury tax threshold.

I don't really see the Wizards dealing Rivers in a trade for Lee though.

[NYG]

How far off from getting below the luxury tax would the Wizards be after a Courtney Lee and Trey Burke for Austin Rivers and Jason Smith trade?

Saves the Wizards around $4 million, but the Wizards would still be between $8-9 million from getting below the luxury tax threshold.

I don't really see the Wizards dealing Rivers in a trade for Lee though.

How much is Washington currently over?

[payitforward]

How far off from getting below the luxury tax would the Wizards be after a Courtney Lee and Trey Burke for Austin Rivers and Jason Smith trade?

Saves the Wizards around $4 million, but the Wizards would still be between $8-9 million from getting below the luxury tax threshold.

I don't really see the Wizards dealing Rivers in a trade for Lee though.

Lee is a far better player than Rivers. Only one problem: Rivers is expiring, while Courtney Lee is signed through next year. He would take us to $124m for 6 guys -- & we'd still have to deal w/ Oubre & Sato. We'd be well into the luxury tax with 8 players!

Too bad, because otherwise, given that Smith is terrible (& that we got the Trey Burke from last year, as opposed to the way he played for us 2 years ago), this trade would make us a much better & deeper team this year.

[payitforward]

How far off from getting below the luxury tax would the Wizards be after a Courtney Lee and Trey Burke for Austin Rivers and Jason Smith trade?

Saves the Wizards around $4 million, but the Wizards would still be between $8-9 million from getting below the luxury tax threshold.

I don't really see the Wizards dealing Rivers in a trade for Lee though.

How much is Washington currently over?

How's your arithmetic?

I guess, given the above, we must be between $12-13m over.

(Actually, according to http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/, we are @ $11.1m over the luxury tax threshold)