Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[Ruzious]

And a whopping 74% of all voters, including 64% of GOP voters, think calling witnesses in the Senate trial
would be a good thing. Polls like that buoy my confidence that from a purely political point of
view, Dems are likely to be helped in this process. Clearly one key factor that could end up being deciding
would be increased participation by younger people.

Tom Friedman spoke in very strong terms about the importance of impeachment and removal
on The Beat yesterday. And you have a coalition of nevertrump gop'ers led by Conway, Rick Wilson
and Steve Schmidt who apparently are going to have quite a bit of money to campaign against Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/17/project-lincoln-can-patriotic-republicans-save-country/

You have, as was the case with their election endorsements, a near unanimity of major newspapers calling
for impeachment and removal. One could argue they were ignored before but one could also argue
for those who care, what they said in 2016 has been borne out in the events since then.

I would pay to see George Conway run against Trump. Heck, I'll make a contribution to him if he runs.

[Ruzious]

TGW’s favourite Republican voting “present” on impeachment. At least she can drop the pretence of actually being part of the Democratic Party now. Don’t expect any response from him.

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In her case "Present" meant Absent. What a cowardly decision on her part. Her explanation would have been laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

[Pointgod]

Impeachment will prove to be a bad political strategy for the Dems. If anything it will alienate "independent" voters (38% of voters!), the majority of whom identify as Independent because they despise partisan politics. This Senate "trial" will be a spectacle of partisan clusterf*ckery by design. Come November, Independents will either stay home or cast a protest vote against the party who started the process. Then we're all f*cked. On the bright side, the Trump tenure has been good for DC sports (3 titles), so we'll get 4 more years of that. Maybe even more if Ivanka gets "elected" in 2024.

Not impeaching for political reasons would be cowardly and immoral for the Democratic Party. Answer me this simple question, should any President be able to do anything they want no matter how corrupt?

[daSwami]

Impeachment will prove to be a bad political strategy for the Dems. If anything it will alienate "independent" voters (38% of voters!), the majority of whom identify as Independent because they despise partisan politics. This Senate "trial" will be a spectacle of partisan clusterf*ckery by design. Come November, Independents will either stay home or cast a protest vote against the party who started the process. Then we're all f*cked. On the bright side, the Trump tenure has been good for DC sports (3 titles), so we'll get 4 more years of that. Maybe even more if Ivanka gets "elected" in 2024.

Not impeaching for political reasons would be cowardly and immoral for the Democratic Party. Answer me this simple question, should any President be able to do anything they want no matter how corrupt?

I agree with impeachment in principle, as this Administration is corrupt, I just don't think it will work out for the Dems politically because it can easily be spun as political theater/a deep-state conspiracy.

[Zonkerbl]

I think the only people who believe this is a partisan impeachment are people who are fully captured in the Republican truth bubble. Independents aren't in that bubble.

If anything I think independents will credit Dems for taking a risk, taking a step to defend the Constitution and Democracy and America even though it could have bad political consequences.

The real problem is the imperviousness of the Republican truth bubble. That problem may not be solved by the Republicans losing a few elections (and several of them going to jail once we have an independent DOJ again). We may have to jettison some of the infected states.

[Ruzious]

Clincally speaking, it'll be fascinating to see how Trump reacts. This impeachment might be the first time he's been punished for something - ever (not counting his Trump Foundation debacle). After they have the vote, we may see his biggest implosion yet.

Nothing unusual so far. He implied that John Dingell - who died earlier this year and was reportedly one of the nicest old men in the world - is in hell... because his widow voted for him to be impeached. This is after 2 Congressmen compared Trump to Jesus. So... just par for the course, so far... in the Kingdom of Crazy.

[Ruzious]

And if you say a horribly inappropriate thing to someone, the new appropriated WH approved follow-up is "Sorry... just riffin." Actually, leave out the sorry part.

[dobrojim]

Up next Republicans comparing the piece of trash in the Whitehouse to Jesus. I’m sure that our resident Evangelical daoneandonly will have a more forceful response to this. Right? Right?

At the risk of giving myself way too much credit for an outcome that was not
exactly what I intended, DA1 hasn't been heard from since called upon
to refute or dismiss the list of DJT offenses made by Walter Shaub rather
than just attack a perfectly respectable messenger. Can't honestly
say that I miss him.

[closg00]

TGW’s favourite Republican voting “present” on impeachment. At least she can drop the pretence of actually being part of the Democratic Party now. Don’t expect any response from him.

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In her case "Present" meant Absent. What a cowardly decision on her part. Her explanation would have been laughable if it wasn't so pathetic.

F'ing PATHETIC weasel, HRC may be right about her, will be watching to see of she ends-up being an Independent candidate for President.

[TGW]

Impeachment will prove to be a bad political strategy for the Dems. If anything it will alienate "independent" voters (38% of voters!), the majority of whom identify as Independent because they despise partisan politics. This Senate "trial" will be a spectacle of partisan clusterf*ckery by design. Come November, Independents will either stay home or cast a protest vote against the party who started the process. Then we're all f*cked. On the bright side, the Trump tenure has been good for DC sports (3 titles), so we'll get 4 more years of that. Maybe even more if Ivanka gets "elected" in 2024.

Not impeaching for political reasons would be cowardly and immoral for the Democratic Party. Answer me this simple question, should any President be able to do anything they want no matter how corrupt?

I agree with impeachment in principle, as this Administration is corrupt, I just don't think it will work out for the Dems politically because it can easily be spun as political theater/a deep-state conspiracy.

You're 100% correct. Impeachment is going to blow up in the Dems/McResistance collective faces. It's partisan hack politics at it's worst.

Out of all the things they could have impeached Trump on, they went with this STUPID Ukraine thing, which doesn't resonate with the electorate whatsoever.

The Democrats are truly a useless, idiotic bunch of losers with no strategy. They signed on to give Trump more spying/wiretapping power (even though he's supposedly a Putin puppet!), they passed his terrible trade deal that included funding for his STUPID wall, and they agreed to an $80B INCREASE IN THE DEFENSE BUDGET (more military power for Putin's puppet...GREAT!). Trump is going to throw that back in the Dem's collective faces and do victory laps against the eventual Dem nominee in 2020.

These morons, led by the biggest corrupt moron in politics (Pelosi) are what's wrong American politics. Disengenuous hacks...they all need to GTFO. And their supporters are as idiotic as the party leaders are.

[Ruzious]

Not impeaching for political reasons would be cowardly and immoral for the Democratic Party. Answer me this simple question, should any President be able to do anything they want no matter how corrupt?

I agree with impeachment in principle, as this Administration is corrupt, I just don't think it will work out for the Dems politically because it can easily be spun as political theater/a deep-state conspiracy.

You're 100% correct. Impeachment is going to blow up in the Dems/McResistance collective faces. It's partisan hack politics at it's worst.

Out of all the things they could have impeached Trump on, they went with this STUPID Ukraine thing, which doesn't resonate with the electorate whatsoever.

The Democrats are truly a useless, idiotic bunch of losers with no strategy. They signed on to give Trump more spying/wiretapping power (even though he's supposedly a Putin puppet!), they passed his terrible trade deal that included funding for his STUPID wall, and they agreed to an $80B INCREASE IN THE DEFENSE BUDGET (more military power for Putin's puppet...GREAT!). Trump is going to throw that back in the Dem's collective faces and do victory laps against the eventual Dem nominee in 2020.

These morons, led by the biggest corrupt moron in politics (Pelosi) are what's wrong American politics. Disengenuous hacks...they all need to GTFO. And their supporters are as idiotic as the party leaders are.

The only significant bill he's passed through Congress was Ryan's tax bill.

[Jamaaliver]

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[pancakes3]

I agree with impeachment in principle, as this Administration is corrupt, I just don't think it will work out for the Dems politically because it can easily be spun as political theater/a deep-state conspiracy.

You're 100% correct. Impeachment is going to blow up in the Dems/McResistance collective faces. It's partisan hack politics at it's worst.

Out of all the things they could have impeached Trump on, they went with this STUPID Ukraine thing, which doesn't resonate with the electorate whatsoever.

The Democrats are truly a useless, idiotic bunch of losers with no strategy. They signed on to give Trump more spying/wiretapping power (even though he's supposedly a Putin puppet!), they passed his terrible trade deal that included funding for his STUPID wall, and they agreed to an $80B INCREASE IN THE DEFENSE BUDGET (more military power for Putin's puppet...GREAT!). Trump is going to throw that back in the Dem's collective faces and do victory laps against the eventual Dem nominee in 2020.

These morons, led by the biggest corrupt moron in politics (Pelosi) are what's wrong American politics. Disengenuous hacks...they all need to GTFO. And their supporters are as idiotic as the party leaders are.

The only significant bill he's passed through Congress was Ryan's tax bill.

lol, and the R's had complete control of the house/senate/WH for 2 of the 3 years.
and there was a shut down.
frankly it's embarrassing how little legislation got passed.

gotta love ultraleft outrage. it's like an angsty teen yelling at their old fuddy-duddy parents. "YOU'RE BOTH LITERAL HITLERS AND YOU'RE LITERALLY RUINING MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE"

"ok, just be back by midnight. love you."

[Kanyewest]

You're 100% correct. Impeachment is going to blow up in the Dems/McResistance collective faces. It's partisan hack politics at it's worst.

Out of all the things they could have impeached Trump on, they went with this STUPID Ukraine thing, which doesn't resonate with the electorate whatsoever.

The Democrats are truly a useless, idiotic bunch of losers with no strategy. They signed on to give Trump more spying/wiretapping power (even though he's supposedly a Putin puppet!), they passed his terrible trade deal that included funding for his STUPID wall, and they agreed to an $80B INCREASE IN THE DEFENSE BUDGET (more military power for Putin's puppet...GREAT!). Trump is going to throw that back in the Dem's collective faces and do victory laps against the eventual Dem nominee in 2020.

These morons, led by the biggest corrupt moron in politics (Pelosi) are what's wrong American politics. Disengenuous hacks...they all need to GTFO. And their supporters are as idiotic as the party leaders are.

The only significant bill he's passed through Congress was Ryan's tax bill.

lol, and the R's had complete control of the house/senate/WH for 2 of the 3 years.
and there was a shut down.
frankly it's embarrassing how little legislation got passed.

gotta love ultraleft outrage. it's like an angsty teen yelling at their old fuddy-duddy parents. "YOU'RE BOTH LITERAL HITLERS AND YOU'RE LITERALLY RUINING MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE"

"ok, just be back by midnight. love you."

I think it's weird that some people on the left are critical of impeachment when Pelosi does it, yet people like Alexandria Ocasio-cortez, Sanders, Warren, Talib were for it even before Pelosi.

[dobrojim]

And a whopping 74% of all voters, including 64% of GOP voters, think calling witnesses in the Senate trial
would be a good thing. Polls like that buoy my confidence that from a purely political point of
view, Dems are likely to be helped in this process. Clearly one key factor that could end up being deciding
would be increased participation by younger people.

Tom Friedman spoke in very strong terms about the importance of impeachment and removal
on The Beat yesterday. And you have a coalition of nevertrump gop'ers led by Conway, Rick Wilson
and Steve Schmidt who apparently are going to have quite a bit of money to campaign against Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/12/17/project-lincoln-can-patriotic-republicans-save-country/

You have, as was the case with their election endorsements, a near unanimity of major newspapers calling
for impeachment and removal. One could argue they were ignored before but one could also argue
for those who care, what they said in 2016 has been borne out in the events since then.

I would pay to see George Conway run against Trump. Heck, I'll make a contribution to him if he runs.

Just to be clear, and I expect you already realize this, the folks involved in this effort
are not planning to run for office themselves AFAIK, but rather to organize, fund-raise
and spend on behalf of what they feel ought to be the future of the GOP.

[dobrojim]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/former-white-house-officials-say-they-feared-putin-influenced-the-presidents-views-on-ukraine-and-2016-campaign/2019/12/19/af0fdbf6-20e9-11ea-bed5-880264cc91a9_story.html

The president’s intense resistance to the assessment of U.S. intelligence agencies that Russia systematically interfered in the 2016 campaign — and the blame he cast instead on a rival country — led many of his advisers to think that Putin himself helped spur the idea of Ukraine’s culpability, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions.
...
One former senior White House official said Trump even stated so explicitly at one point, saying he knew Ukraine was the real culprit because “Putin told me.”

However, White House aides were not part of Trump’s private conversation with Putin in Hamburg, or a later meeting he had in Helsinki for two hours with the Russian president, when they were accompanied by only their interpreters.

Trump also took steps to conceal the details of his formal meeting with Putin in Hamburg, taking the notes away from his interpreter and instructing her not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, The Post reported earlier this year.However, White House aides were not part of Trump’s private conversation with Putin in Hamburg, or a later meeting he had in Helsinki for two hours with the Russian president, when they were accompanied by only their interpreters.

Trump also took steps to conceal the details of his formal meeting with Putin in Hamburg, taking the notes away from his interpreter and instructing her not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, The Post reported earlier this year.

As the impeachment articles wait in the House, news reporting continues.

More evidence of the UKR conspiracy theory's origins.

PS - so this is why DJT likes to talk in private with his puppetmaster.

[pancakes3]

trump is low key in the middle of fighting a bill in the senate imposing sanctions against Russia.

lindsay graham is one of the many bipartisan sponsors of the bill so he can get it on the record that he was tough on russia if the political tides turn on trump so he can still put out a half-hearted response if/when he tries to run in 2024.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/19/politics/russia-bill-trump-administration-opposition-letter/index.html

[Pointgod]

The only significant bill he's passed through Congress was Ryan's tax bill.

lol, and the R's had complete control of the house/senate/WH for 2 of the 3 years.
and there was a shut down.
frankly it's embarrassing how little legislation got passed.

gotta love ultraleft outrage. it's like an angsty teen yelling at their old fuddy-duddy parents. "YOU'RE BOTH LITERAL HITLERS AND YOU'RE LITERALLY RUINING MY LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE"

"ok, just be back by midnight. love you."

I think it's weird that some people on the left are critical of impeachment when Pelosi does it, yet people like Alexandria Ocasio-cortez, Sanders, Warren, Talib were for it even before Pelosi.

It’s not weird when you take into account the people on the left that criticize Pelosi are complete **** morons and I’m not exaggerating. They’re no different from Trump supporters in their cultish behavior and ignorance of facts. It’s satisfying to see them continually get owned by Nancy Pelosi.

[gtn130]

Has TGW ever made a post that isn't in service to Trump and the GOP?

[Pointgod]

Impeachment will prove to be a bad political strategy for the Dems. If anything it will alienate "independent" voters (38% of voters!), the majority of whom identify as Independent because they despise partisan politics. This Senate "trial" will be a spectacle of partisan clusterf*ckery by design. Come November, Independents will either stay home or cast a protest vote against the party who started the process. Then we're all f*cked. On the bright side, the Trump tenure has been good for DC sports (3 titles), so we'll get 4 more years of that. Maybe even more if Ivanka gets "elected" in 2024.

Not impeaching for political reasons would be cowardly and immoral for the Democratic Party. Answer me this simple question, should any President be able to do anything they want no matter how corrupt?

I agree with impeachment in principle, as this Administration is corrupt, I just don't think it will work out for the Dems politically because it can easily be spun as political theater/a deep-state conspiracy.

Putting the politics of impeachment over doing what’s right for the country is what will hurt the Democrats politically. Remember when Donald Trump campaigned in the midterms that if the Dems won they’ll impeach him? Guess what, a historic turnout for the Dems and historic wins in the house. The will of the people was to keep Trump in check. I think people focus too much on media narratives and their insane obsession with playing both sides. Impeachment hurts Trump way more than any other politician.