Bean Burrito / Nick Young Appreciation Thread.

[tontoz]

I have no doubt that Nick has been working out and working on bball drills. But playing full court games puts a player much more at risk of injury.

[hands11]

I have no doubt that Nick has been working out and working on bball drills. But playing full court games puts a player much more at risk of injury.

But he has been playing full court games.

He was in the Drew League with Wall and McGee.

[tontoz]

I didn't say he didnt play one full court game since the season ended. I said he probably hasn't played much full court. Playing a few league games is swell but it doesn't mean he has been playing a lot of pickup ball.

The Drew League had 6 games.

Looks like the Paul trade is back on which would take away one more possible destination.

[mhd]

JRich resigns 4 years, 26 million. Good contract. Very good value for him. If Orlando does the Howard to NJ trade (along with Turk), I think Nene goes to Houston. Orlando will have tons of cap space next year.

[jivelikenice]

I absolutely hate Washington Post coverage of the Wiz. There has been nothing in terms of updates on who NY is talking to and if we've been in touch with him over the past few days.

In general their coverage is AWFUL. Nothing on NY, Nothing on free agency, Nothing on who is impressing in camp...can they get a real beat reporter?

[mhd]

Go to th Dcexaminer. In addition to having BY FAR the best Redskins coverage (John Keim>>>>than any of the hack post writers), they actually had their beat guy ad Wizards training camp.

[Rafael122]

Young's agent is an idiot. 2 weeks until the season starts, if he signs with a new team, he has to wait 3 days to see if the Wizards will match. Not to mention he has to learn a new playbook. Dude needs to sign this week basically, like tomorrow or Wednesday really if he's signing with a new team.

[Ruzious]

Has there even been 1 rumor about Nick? It's pretty amazing how little he's been talked about. Like him or not, he was one of the top rated free agents - Eddie Johnson, writing for Hoopshype.com had him rated as the number 1 FA SG. I think part of this is because Nick is a noted goof so people don't take him seriously. But there's no doubt Nick can put the ball in the basket - and that usually leads to big bucks. 12 days to opening day - the longer he waits, you gotta think the less his chances are of getting big money.

[miller31time]

I may be in the wrong here but I don't really want Nick Young to be a big part of this team's future. It's not that he's a goof but rather, his potential seems very limited based on his ability to think the game of basketball (the mental aspects of the game) and his one-dimensional offensive ability. I'd rather put my faith in Jordan Crawford honing his game and becoming the versatile compliment to Wall that I know he can and wants to be.

I'm fine with keeping him at a low price but I don't want him being in our team's plans for the rebuilding process.

(This, however, doesn't mean he can't be an important part to another team where a 6th man gunner is required)

[hands11]

Finally the WP wrote something.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

wow. Talking like Nick may be losing his starting spot by not being there. And near the end of the article, Flip didn't sound pressed at all about Nick being there or not.

Also, they reported the numbers they though Nick was looking for. Sure that with turn people off here.

Thornton signed a deal (four years, $31 million) that is closer to what Young is likely seeking, but few teams have the means to offer that much. - that is 7.75M. Sorry Nick. I don't think anyone is signing you for 4 years for that amount.

So it all dominos. Other deal need to get done before team can get around to Nick and the Wizards are still talking to Mo who they aren't moving on until they now about Nick.

Nick has got to feel pretty **** out there in CA while he sees video of the team in practice.

[nate33]

By my count, the only teams left with cap room to give more than the MLE are:

New Jersey
Sacramento
LA Clippers
Houston
Denver

LAC and Houston don't need a SG, and Sacramento probably doesn't either (unless they move Evans to SF). The Paul and Howard trades could change the landscape a bit though.

[hands11]

By my count, the only teams left with cap room to give more than the MLE are:

New Jersey
Sacramento
LA Clippers
Houston
Denver

LAC and Houston don't need a SG, and Sacramento probably doesn't either (unless they move Evans to SF). The Paul and Howard trades could change the landscape a bit though.

So Nate,

If it comes down the Wizards being able to sign him for the qualifying offer of $3,695,857 would you want them to do that or push for a two year for more each year.

[Rafael122]

Nets want to amnesty Travis Outlaw. I doubt they would want to amnesty Outlaw and then give Young the same contract the Nets gave Outlaw. Makes no sense. Best case scenario is for Young to sign the QO and come in. There's no market for him.

[no D in Hibachi]

I stil think youngs best bet is to sign a mle type contact with the wiz. I just dont see him with substantially more interest next season as a unrestricted FA. Look at what better unrestricted FA SGs mde this year when there were really no high quality FAs and a ton of cap room needing spent. JRich 4/26, Hamilton 2/10, carter vet min. Itd be a huge gamble for N1 to go into this season on a one year deal.

[Ruzious]

I may be in the wrong here but I don't really want Nick Young to be a big part of this team's future. It's not that he's a goof but rather, his potential seems very limited based on his ability to think the game of basketball (the mental aspects of the game) and his one-dimensional offensive ability. I'd rather put my faith in Jordan Crawford honing his game and becoming the versatile compliment to Wall that I know he can and wants to be.

I'm fine with keeping him at a low price but I don't want him being in our team's plans for the rebuilding process.

(This, however, doesn't mean he can't be an important part to another team where a 6th man gunner is required)

Here's why I disagree. Nick can shoot with range and Crawford can't - it really is that black and white in the shooting department. Nick is 4 inches taller than Crawford and has all the athletic ability Crawford has and then some. Nick can create his own offense, but he has adjusted his game to be a 1 dimentional jump shooter most of the time - because that's what Flip wants him to be - that's what fits with Wall best. Crawford was far better when he played without Wall, because his game revolved around having the ball, and Wall is going to have the ball as long as he plays in the NBA. Wall and Crawford get along great - off the court, but they do not mesh at all on the court because Crawford has yet to show he can play off the ball - and frankly there's no reason to believe he'll make the adjustment - as he's most likely played this way his entire basketball life. Young has made the adjustment and fits perfectly, imo. And he's the one guy on the team that can shoot - other than Lewis - who won't be on the team next season.

[nate33]

So Nate,

If it comes down the Wizards being able to sign him for the qualifying offer of $3,695,857 would you want them to do that or push for a two year for more each year.

I'd push for a longer deal. If Young doesn't think he can do better than the QO, then I'd offer him something like 4 years, $20M (frontloaded, paying him $8 the first year and $4M a year thereafter).

I figure Young accepts because he would be hard pressed to make up that lost money by signing the QO. For argument's sake, let's assume he takes the QO, becomes a free agent next year, and signs a 4-year deal worth $7M a year next year (a figure I consider unlikely). That would mean he would make $24M over the next 4 years, just $4M more than what the Wizards have on the table. That's a lot or risk he would be taking on just to get $4M extra dollars. What if he gets hurt? What if Crawford takes his starting job and craters his free agency value?

[hands11]

So Nate,

If it comes down the Wizards being able to sign him for the qualifying offer of $3,695,857 would you want them to do that or push for a two year for more each year.

I'd push for a longer deal. If Young doesn't think he can do better than the QO, then I'd offer him something like 4 years, $20M (frontloaded, paying him $8 the first year and $4M a year thereafter).

I figure Young accepts because he would be hard pressed to make up that lost money by signing the QO. For argument's sake, let's assume he takes the QO, becomes a free agent next year, and signs a 4-year deal worth $7M a year next year (a figure I consider unlikely). That would mean he would make $24M over the next 4 years, just $4M more than what the Wizards have on the table. That's a lot or risk he would be taking on just to get $4M extra dollars. What if he gets hurt? What if Crawford takes his starting job and craters his free agency value?

Interesting perceptive. Those are risks. So 5M a year vs trying to get an extra 2M - maybe more a year - if he can add rebounding, passing and maybe even more driving. If I was Nick and I understood that, I would be confident I could add that. I would shot for a two year deal at 5M or a little more. I would establish those things and hit FA. With those things in hand and a track record on what should be a better winning team, I could then get 8-10M a year.

Just given his current taken in a regular extended FA year, he should always be able to get 5M. Only remaining factor would be injury. But that is a gamble everyone takes. One a two year deal, that would be minimized.

[Nivek]

Has there even been 1 rumor about Nick? It's pretty amazing how little he's been talked about. Like him or not, he was one of the top rated free agents - Eddie Johnson, writing for Hoopshype.com had him rated as the number 1 FA SG. I think part of this is because Nick is a noted goof so people don't take him seriously. But there's no doubt Nick can put the ball in the basket - and that usually leads to big bucks. 12 days to opening day - the longer he waits, you gotta think the less his chances are of getting big money.

At ESPN, they had him WAAAAAAY down their list of free agents. Something like 19th, if I recall correctly.

Eddie Johnson's opinion on this should come with a hefty discount considering his game. I actually had a hilarious conversation with Eddie when Phoenix was in town a few years ago. We were standing in the press room food line at Verizon and we start chatting. After a back and forth about the night's game, he starts in telling me about shooting and scoring records he holds. We sat at different tables to eat. Like 20 minutes later, he comes back and says something like, "Did you know I hold the record for most points per minute for a player who started fewer than half his team's games and played less than 26 minutes per game? Look it up." (That wasn't actually what he said -- but it was in that vein.)

[Benjammin]

Nick is 4 inches taller than Crawford and has all the athletic ability Crawford has and then some. Nick can create his own offense, but he has adjusted his game to be a 1 dimentional jump shooter most of the time - because that's what Flip wants him to be - that's what fits with Wall best. Crawford was far better when he played without Wall, because his game revolved around having the ball, and Wall is going to have the ball as long as he plays in the NBA. Wall and Crawford get along great - off the court, but they do not mesh at all on the court because Crawford has yet to show he can play off the ball - and frankly there's no reason to believe he'll make the adjustment - as he's most likely played this way his entire basketball life. Young has made the adjustment and fits perfectly, imo. And he's the one guy on the team that can shoot - other than Lewis - who won't be on the team next season.

According to draftexpress when they were measured at the combine before the draft Nick Young was 6-6 3/4 in shoes and Crawford was 6-4 5/8 in shoes. Young's wingspan was 5 inches longer than Crawford's although their standing reach numbers were basically the same.

So Young is definitely longer than Crawford and jumps higher as well. But I think saying Young is four inches taller than Jordan is pushing it.

[tontoz]

Has there even been 1 rumor about Nick? It's pretty amazing how little he's been talked about. Like him or not, he was one of the top rated free agents - Eddie Johnson, writing for Hoopshype.com had him rated as the number 1 FA SG. I think part of this is because Nick is a noted goof so people don't take him seriously. But there's no doubt Nick can put the ball in the basket - and that usually leads to big bucks. 12 days to opening day - the longer he waits, you gotta think the less his chances are of getting big money.

At ESPN, they had him WAAAAAAY down their list of free agents. Something like 19th, if I recall correctly.

Eddie Johnson's opinion on this should come with a hefty discount considering his game. I actually had a hilarious conversation with Eddie when Phoenix was in town a few years ago. We were standing in the press room food line at Verizon and we start chatting. After a back and forth about the night's game, he starts in telling me about shooting and scoring records he holds. We sat at different tables to eat. Like 20 minutes later, he comes back and says something like, "Did you know I hold the record for most points per minute for a player who started fewer than half his team's games and played less than 26 minutes per game? Look it up." (That wasn't actually what he said -- but it was in that vein.)

You should have said "Yes" and left it at that just to see his reaction.