2012 NBA Draft

Dat2U · Post #821 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:44 pm

Two questions I'm asking myself a lot lately:

1. Who's the best Baylor prospect? PJ III or QMiller?

2. Should more consideration be given to freshman prospects like Miller, Drummond & Beal who may not have the opportunity, experience or year or more of seasoning that older prospects have and thus may not perform up to the level of older prospects?

Something in the back of my mind keeps telling me that Robinson is junior in college. He and PJ III are two years older than guys like MKG, Davis, Drummond & Beal. Imagine how would any of those players look in two years with experience, opportunity & development. I'd might look at Drummond who's struggled mightily at times this season in a totally different light. I remember how bad Andrew Bynum looked as an 18 year old where the flashes of potential were few and far in-between. Now at 24 he's arguably the second best C in the league.

Benjammin · Post #822 » by **Benjammin** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:56 pm

Good points Dat. I think Drummond is right up there with his potential. The problem is if McGee re-signs. Since MKG and Barnes are ahead of Miller I don't really think too much about him. If Robinson is actually longer/taller than he looks then he would be a nice consolation prize if they don't get the first pick and take Davis. I haven't watched Sullinger this year to see if his weight loss has made a difference in his game or not. I'm not enamored with Beal or Lamb so they're not major considerations for me unless the Wizards got another pick lower in the lottery or if the Wizards start winning games and end up picking in that 8-11 range.

tontoz · Post #823 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:41 pm

Benjammin wrote: The problem is if McGee re-signs.

I don't think Mcgee factors into the draft at all. The Wizards don't appear to have any interest in signing him to an extension during the season, rightly so i believe.That means it won't be until after the draft that they start thinking about resigning him, assuming he isn't traded by the deadline.

jangles86 · Post #824 » by **jangles86** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:01 am

Sullinger will go top three if Ohio make final 4..

pancakes3 · Post #825 » by **pancakes3** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:50 am

i'm perfectly fine with drafting sullinger. there's elton brand potential there. undersized isn't a dealbreaker for 6'8. lord help you if you're 6'7 though (blair). and to anyone still wondering: yes, a few posts ago i was making the cole aldrich connection to thomas robinson.

7-Day Dray · Post #826 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:59 am

Anyone else seen Harrison Barnes lately? I've been pretty impressed with him, and I think he would be a good fit in our offense. His handle still isn't great, but he's not as upright as he used to be, and he does a pretty good job of securing the ball. If we're not picking in the top 2, I'd take a serious look at him. His shooting and offensive potential would make him a great fit with Wall and the offense.

Post #827 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:30 am

7-Day Dray wrote:Anyone else seen Harrison Barnes lately? I've been pretty impressed with him, and I think he would be a good fit in our offense. His handle still isn't great, but he's not as upright as he used to be, and he does a pretty good job of securing the ball. If we're not picking in the top 2, I'd take a serious look at him. His shooting and offensive potential would make him a great fit with Wall and the offense.

I saw him play tonight, and he was clearly the 3rd best player on UNC's front line. Henson destroyed CJ Leslie in their matchup, and Zeller was a dominant force on the boards while showing his high BBIQ on offense. Barnes did make a nice drive to the hoop - in garbage time. Yes, he'd make a nice fit with Wall, but HarBar is simply not a difference maker.

REDardWIZskin · Post #828 » by **REDardWIZskin** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:53 pm

Everyone is making pretty good points. The more I read everyone points the more i really would like to find a way to get another 1st rd pick even if its in the late teens or 20's. Maybe a Nick or Javale trade will provide an extra 1st. Or *crosses fingers* a blatche trade!!!1 :pray:

fishercob · Post #829 » by **fishercob** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:04 pm

Dat2U wrote:Two questions I'm asking myself a lot lately:

1. Who's the best Baylor prospect? PJ III or QMiller?

2. Should more consideration be given to freshman prospects like Miller, Drummond & Beal who may not have the opportunity, experience or year or more of seasoning that older prospects have and thus may not perform up to the level of older prospects?

Something in the back of my mind keeps telling me that Robinson is junior in college. He and PJ III are two years older than guys like MKG, Davis, Drummond & Beal. Imagine how would any of those players look in two years with experience, opportunity & development. I'd might look at Drummond who's struggled mightily at times this season in a totally different light. I remember how bad Andrew Bynum looked as an 18 year old where the flashes of potential were few and far in-between. Now at 24 he's arguably the second best C in the league.

1. I think it's Q Miller by default, because I just don't think Jones is a good prospect. I have no idea why Chad Ford continues to rave about him and keep him in his top four or five. Jones screams at me that he's some combo of Jon Bender, Anthony Randolph, Gerald Green and Dontae Green. I see the length and athleticism. I don't see the productivity or the will. I don't see a natural NBA position either.

2. It's a tough question and I think it depends on the situation. A guy leaving too early can stunt his development and affect his entire career. Just imagine how much more prepared McGee would have been with four years of college, or if Blatche had actually enrolled at Syracuse (or was it UConn?) and played for Boeheim for two or three years.

Drummond plainly isn't ready now. If we believe that he has an unquenchable thirst to be great, do you draft him and wait 3 years? Probably. If you're not so sure, I don't know how you make that gamble with this talent-starved roster.

Beal is an interesting one; I've been watching him all year. Chad Ford recently said in a chat to simply ignore his mediocre shooting (especially 3-point) numbers because he's sure beyond sure that Beal can shoot. He's playing out of position alongside two ball-dominant shotjackers. His rebounding numbers are off the charts impressive considering he was being compared to Eric Gordon as an "undersized" shooting guard. My buddy who is a college coach talked to Billy Donovan during the preseason and he said Beal was further along than any of the coaches realized, that he's their smartest player, etc. I don't know if Beal will come out this year b/c I'd expect he'd be projected in the mid-late lotto and that Billy D will convince him to come back another year, move into his natural position and larger role and make himself a top-5 pick. But man, I'd like to see this guy on the Wizards. He seems like the real deal.

Severn Hoos · Post #830 » by **Severn Hoos** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 3:27 pm

Dat2U wrote:Two questions I'm asking myself a lot lately:

1. Who's the best Baylor prospect? PJ III or QMiller?

2. Should more consideration be given to freshman prospects like Miller, Drummond & Beal who may not have the opportunity, experience or year or more of seasoning that older prospects have and thus may not perform up to the level of older prospects?

Something in the back of my mind keeps telling me that Robinson is junior in college. He and PJ III are two years older than guys like MKG, Davis, Drummond & Beal. Imagine how would any of those players look in two years with experience, opportunity & development. I'd might look at Drummond who's struggled mightily at times this season in a totally different light. I remember how bad Andrew Bynum looked as an 18 year old where the flashes of potential were few and far in-between. Now at 24 he's arguably the second best C in the league.

This has also been my thinking for quite some time as well. In the case of Robinson, I've been having fun bringing up guys like Shelden Williams and Herbert Hill, but it is a valid point that when you're 2-4 years older than the guys you're facing, it makes a big difference. I get that TRob was behind the twins last year, but I can't help having an uneasy feeling when a guy is so quiet for a couple years and then breaks out. (yes, I realize that his efficiency & per-minute numbers are similar to last year, point is - he couldn't force his way onto the court over a guy who's idle on the Rockets bench this year, and we think he'll be an impact player right away?)

On Drummond, my thinking is that in he 1-and-done era, if you don't have a major impact as a Freshman, it is much less likely you'll have a major impact in the NBA. Love was a beast as a Freshman. Sullinger was almost as good as Love. Wall & Cousins were Freshman leaders on the team that spent a lot of the year at #1, and people are even questioning their value in the NBA. I'm hard pressed to think of a high-profile recruit who was somewhat disappointing as a Freshman (Harrison Barnes?) but then grew into a star/impact player in the NBA. Kind of like Kev's statement that what a guy is when he's a rookie is primarily what he'll be as his career goes on, I think a similar dynamic exists in college.

Fortunately, we can all agree that Davis fits the category of "impact player"....

dobrojim · Post #831 » by **dobrojim** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:37 pm

I'm becoming less convinced that this draft is as loaded as
we've been thinking.

PJIII, no thanks
Barnes...not sure if he's a difference maker and we need to be sure
Sully - ditto Barnes
MKG - I'd be more excited if he was a SG rather than a SF but I like him
Davis - a lock but NA unless we luck out and get #1#1
Drummund - probably won't help much for 2-3 years and we need it sooner
TRob - looked good in the game I saw vs Baylor, but may have size issues and lower ceiling due to age

Having said all that, most thought this current rookie class wouldn't amount to much.
They may be a bit better than was expected.

Post #832 » by **Zonkerbl** » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:19 pm

We're not in any particular hurry. If we can get someone who will definitely help us in two or three years we should draft them.

theboomking · Post #833 » by **theboomking** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:11 am

One SG prospect that probably hasn't been mentioned enough here is Terrence Ross. I think Ross could easily replace NY . Terrence is a beast athlete, has ideal 2 guard size, and is a solid shooter. This year, Ross is averaging 15.1pts on .438 shooting, .379 from 3 point range, .737 from the line, with 6.6 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.0 blocks and 1.0 steals. nbadraft.net has Ross going at 13, which sounds about right.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... rence-ross

Jay81 · Post #834 » by **Jay81** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:34 am

If Bobcats got #1 pick...i wouldnt be shocked if they chose H Barnes. They need to fill that building and some may argue that he is the #1 pick #keepdreamingJi?

Post #835 » by **nate33** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 5:26 am

Jay81 wrote:If Bobcats got #1 pick...i wouldnt be shocked if they chose H Barnes. They need to fill that building and some may argue that he is the #1 pick #keepdreamingJi?

I don't think they'd be that foolish, but maybe they'd be willing to trade down.

jangles86 · Post #836 » by **jangles86** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:26 am

dobrojim wrote:I'm becoming less convinced that this draft is as loaded as
we've been thinking.

PJIII, no thanks
Barnes...not sure if he's a difference maker and we need to be sure
Sully - ditto Barnes
MKG - I'd be more excited if he was a SG rather than a SF but I like him
Davis - a lock but NA unless we luck out and get #1#1
Drummund - probably won't help much for 2-3 years and we need it sooner
TRob - looked good in the game I saw vs Baylor, but may have size issues and lower ceiling due to age

Having said all that, most thought this current rookie class wouldn't amount to much.
They may be a bit better than was expected.

Cough cough j.lamb cough cough

jangles86 · Post #837 » by **jangles86** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:31 am

Right noW Wizards board should be this
1 Davis
2 Lamb
3 Drummond
4 Sullinger
5 Barnes

I don't see it possible us selecting outside top 5 8-)

althoughif we were to somehow gain another pick id love to see one of these three in wizards uniform next year. Kendall Marshall would do wonders for our players, Brad Beal will be a great shooter and is very underrated IMO and or Tyler Zeller will be a nba starter for a looonnng time. He's a white Tim Duncan.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #838 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:02 pm

pancakes3 wrote:i'm perfectly fine with drafting sullinger. there's elton brand potential there. undersized isn't a dealbreaker for 6'8. lord help you if you're 6'7 though (blair). and to anyone still wondering: yes, a few posts ago i was making the cole aldrich connection to thomas robinson.

I guess Davis is the consensus top pick. But I really like Sullinger as well, and think he could actually be a better fit for the Wizards and a perfect replacement of Blatche in the frontcourt with McGee (C) and Singleton (SF). Barnes also still interests me simply because this team so badly needs shooters, but not as much as Sullinger.

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #839 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 1:10 pm

Jay81 wrote:If Bobcats got #1 pick...i wouldnt be shocked if they chose H Barnes. They need to fill that building and some may argue that he is the #1 pick #keepdreamingJi?

I think the bobcats take MKG. I could see MJ liking this guy and having the chance to work with him.

llcc25 · Post #840 » by **llcc25** » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:12 pm

Guys what are your thoughts on obtaining another 1st rd pick (mid to late teens) and pickin up Tyler zeller. Saw the unc game other day and this kid knows how to play down low. Will need to add strength to bang with big boys off nba but I think he will look much better manning the center position than McGee. Watching last nights game was the nail in coffin for me and my thoughts on keepin McGee here long term...