2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

mohammed10 · Post #821 » by **mohammed10** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:30 pm

Rafael122 wrote:FORGET Beal.

OKC just traded Harden to Charlotte.

EDIT: NEVERMIND. FALSE ALARM. Bomani Jones retweeted a fake account.

Way to make me develop an arrhythmia!

DCZards · Post #822 » by **DCZards** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:32 pm

Hey Dat, pretty much agree with your tiers…a few quibbles. Of course, I think Beal belongs on the same tier as MKG and I’m glad to see you’ve “softened” on Rivers…I guess I pounded on you enough about him.

Also, I’d put Marshall and Teague (and maybe Ross) in Tier 4. And, while I’d agree with you about Feb Melo being a slow thinker on the court, his size and potential as a defender makes me believe he should be drafted.

sfam · Post #823 » by **sfam** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:36 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:Now Kidd Gilchrist has the same stiff powerforward movements defensively as singleton. I think Kidd gilchrist will be exposed for his lack of footspeed defensively just as singleton. Gilchrist is going to have alot of problems changing directions just like singleton. Singleton and Gilchrist are very similiar defensively. Almost the exact player defensively. Both handcheck alot and use upper body strength instead of footspeed. For my final post for leonsis--A.Davis if he slips, A.Drum. and then Barnes. harden is on the table, i am not giving u seraphin and lotto pickfor him. He is really worth maybe a mid first rounder since he wants a max contract. I might consider seraphin and 32 that's as far as i go.

Where do get this stuff from? Do you make it up on the spot? You can have lots of objections to MKG, but stiff just flat out isn't one of them. The guy is a veritable improv machine - that's why his outside shot sucks - he's optimized it to work well for improv moves around the basket. His hesitation there works in his favor for finishing. MKG's defense is about as fluid as I've seen. Objectively, you may be the only person who has watched any basketball to call MKG stiff. Like, this whole paragraph is just a bizarre rationale for why you think Drummond should be picked, but there isn't an ounce of truth to it.

Nivek · Post #824 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:42 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:
do u even know what aerodynamic means in baket.

I guess not. I can't even say I know what "baket" means. I'm soooooooooo ignorant.

90 percent of big men arent aerodynamic (howard, bynum) ability adjust your shot in midair and still score.

I'm always ready to learn. Could you post a link to the study showing that 90% figure?

He has excellent coordination after lift off and can alter his shot in response to a defense. It's an exceptional ability and guys with bulk usually aren't good. Drummond is 50 times more aerodynamic than al thornton at 270. I feel like a professor in here sometimes. I guess for better of overall board if it increases the IQ of hte discussion around here. Teach you new vocabulary.

"Professor" -- my exact thoughts. Could you post the equation used to calculate Drummond being 50 times more aerodynamic than Al Thornton at 270? As an aside, I didn't know Thornton ever weighed that much, but live and learn.

I definitely learn a new vocabulary when you post. Thanks.

7-Day Dray · Post #825 » by **7-Day Dray** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:48 pm

I'm guessing aerodynamic means the ability to hang and make mid-air adjustments w/ the ball (same as body control), like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMAlRgylT04[/youtube]

Nivek · Post #826 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:50 pm

The tiers according to YODA:

Tier One

Tier Two

Tier Three

Marcus Denmon, SG, Missouri
Tier Four

Tier Five

Tier Six

Tier Seven

Tier Eight

Tier Nine

In my case, the tiers are for ranking purposes only. There are significant differences between tiers; insignificant differences between players on the same tier.

A little bit more on this at my rarely updated blog. I'm going to post position rankings in a few minutes.

Post #827 » by **nate33** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:57 pm

I'm really bitter about giving up that #46 pick. I really want Denmon.

WizarDynasty · Post #828 » by **WizarDynasty** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:00 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
GhostsOfGil wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:Drummond is aerodynamic

This absolutely has to be the post of the year.

I can't even keep up with the posts of previous years. All I can think of is bowleggedness but I know there's more. Something to do with one-leg-hop-move-change-direction-in-midair ?

And as for drummond being a specimen? Hardly

2012: Fab Melo, Miles Plumlee, Meyers Leonard, Tyler Zeller
2011: Kanter
2010: Alabi, Whiteside, Aldrich, Monroe, Cousins
2009: Thabeet, Mullens
2008: Mcgee, B. Lopez, R. Lopez, Deandre Jordan

None of these players had teh combination of lower leg strength and lateral agility wingspan, and the ability to adjust their shot midair against a defense. Only one or two could put the ball on the ground and attack the basket with explosiveness and that would probably be cousins. Without Okafor and Nene, I wouldn't consider Drummond in the top 8 but its due largely to Nene being the perfect compliment and okafor with his Uconn connection.
A.Davis, A.Drum, H.Barnes --i would trade seraphin and 32 to get Harden nothing more. I would give a top 3 pick for harden because he wants a max contract.

Post #829 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:00 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:
I used to get my draft news from the radio because Ken Beatrice always seemed about 10X more knowledgeable than anyone else out there. Yes, he had a nasal voice, patted himself on the back a lot, and avoided humor on his show but if you wanted good information, he was easily the best sportscaster I've ever heard up to this day.

I'm tempted to stop by Arby's for an order of curly fries and a jamocha shake. He was it for any kind of sports analysis back in the day, but I couldn't stand listening to him for more than a half hour at a time. Gawd luv ya, sir.

I can still remember the sound of him on air saying, "4-3-2-W-M-A-L, That is the number!" He would answer questions from anyone and everyone on just about anything to do with sports.

Ken Beatrice was the man. I listened to him when I was young, too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... _blog.html

DC had some greats on tv, like Brenner, Micheal, Frank Herzog, and way back in the day, Warner Wolf. Beatrice was on the radio but he was right up there and the most knowledgeable guy around.

"Yaw next on Spawts Call." "I love it when the yungstas call. Their minds aren't filled with the minutia that the rest of us have."

He belongs in the sports radio HOF - if there is one, but he was the world's worst interviewer. His typical interview would be him doing 90% of the talking by telling the interviewee his view on a subject and then asking them whether they agree or disagree. They would typically say "Yes, that's a great point, Kenny." And then he'd go on talking for another 10 minutes and say "Ah, where does the time go? It was a joy to have you on. Please consent to visit with us again. Bye now." But I have heard he was legitimately incredibly generous with his time - answering fans' calls long after his show was over.

Nivek · Post #830 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:14 pm

I posted my position rankings along with a standardized score on my blog -- http://wp.me/p1kGt1-5w. I'd post here too, but I'd have to reformat the whole thing and I don't have time for that at the moment. Apologies.

This entry includes all players with draftable scores in YODA.

sfam · Post #831 » by **sfam** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:18 pm

Ruzious wrote:"Yaw next on Spawts Call." "I love it when the yungstas call. Their minds aren't filled with the minutia that the rest of us have."

He belongs in the sports radio HOF - if there is one, but he was the world's worst interviewer. His typical interview would be him doing 90% of the talking by telling the interviewee his view on a subject and then asking them whether they agree or disagree. They would typically say "Yes, that's a great point, Kenny." And then he'd go on talking for another 10 minutes and say "Ah, where does the time go? It was a joy to have you on. Please consent to visit with us again. Bye now." But I have heard he was legitimately incredibly generous with his time - answering fans' calls long after his show was over.

Great memories! Yeah, his interviews were pretty funny - you have that spot on. He was also a real potty mouth off the air. I still remember I was driving in Manassas when his show ended one evening, and Ken thought he was off the air, and sent a furious set of cuss words at his board guy about how bad the last caller was. Not sure if that led him to get off the air or whatnot, but he really came across as a navy sailer then, which was the opposite of his on-air persona.

bgroban · Post #832 » by **bgroban** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:19 pm

Nivek wrote:The tiers according to YODA:

Tier One

Anthony Davis, PF, Kentucky -- Davis posted the most impressive freshman season I've analyzed. He's the second rated prospect in YODA behind Shaquille O'Neal's sophomore season. Similar YODA scores: Kevin Durant and Greg Oden.

Tier Two

Jae Crowder, SF, Marquette
Tyler Zeller, C, North Carolina

Tier Three

Marcus Denmon, SG, Missouri

Tier Four

Bradley Beal, SG, Florida
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, SF, Kentucky

Tier Five

Damian Lillard, PG, Weber State
Thomas Robinson, PF, Kansas
Will Barton, SG, Memphis
Dion Waiters, SG, Syracuse

Tier Six

Kendall Marshall, PG, North Carolina
Jared Sullinger, PF, Ohio State
Miles Plumlee, F/C, Duke
Harrison Barnes, SF, North Carolina
Terrence Jones, F, Kentucky
Andre Drummond, C, Connecticut

Tier Seven

Darius Johnson-Odom, SG, Marquette
Jeremy Lamb, SG, Connecticut
Ricardo Ratliffe, PF, Missouri

Tier Eight

Jeff Taylor, SF, Vanderbilt
John Jenkins, SG, Vanderbilt
Orlando Johnson, SG, UCSB
Tony Wroten, PG, Washington
Quincy Miller, SF, Baylor

Tier Nine

John Henson, PF, North Carolina
Reggie Hamilton, PG, Oakland
Kevin Jones, PF, West Virginia
Jordan Taylor, PG, Wisconsin
John Shurna, F, Northwestern
Devoe Joseph, SG, Oregon
Drew Gordon, PF, New Mexico

In my case, the tiers are for ranking purposes only. There are significant differences between tiers; insignificant differences between players on the same tier.

A little bit more on this at my rarely updated blog. I'm going to post position rankings in a few minutes.

Please send to Ernie. thnx

sfam · Post #833 » by **sfam** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:20 pm

Nivek wrote:I posted my position rankings along with a standardized score on my blog -- http://wp.me/p1kGt1-5w. I'd post here too, but I'd have to reformat the whole thing and I don't have time for that at the moment. Apologies.

This entry includes all players with draftable scores in YODA.

I think I want to live on that island at the top of your blog - is that a domant volcano? Regardless - looks awesome! And wow, massive difference in scores from the top guys to the rest in most of your categories. What makes Crowder go so high in Yoda?

Nivek · Post #834 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:22 pm

sfam wrote:
Nivek wrote:I posted my position rankings along with a standardized score on my blog -- http://wp.me/p1kGt1-5w. I'd post here too, but I'd have to reformat the whole thing and I don't have time for that at the moment. Apologies.

This entry includes all players with draftable scores in YODA.

I think I want to live on that island at the top of your blog - is that a domant volcano? Regardless - looks awesome! And wow, massive difference in scores from the top guys to the rest in most of your categories. What makes Crowder go so high in Yoda?

That's Crater Lake, which is in Oregon. It was formed by a volcanic eruption that blew the top off the mountain (creating a crater) some thousands of years ago. It's deep and fairly pollution free (especially since they stopped letting people drive their cars right up to the edge of the surrounding cliffs) with no streams feeding in. One of my favorite places on the planet.

dobrojim · Post #835 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:23 pm

Dat2U wrote:
7. Golden State Warriors

Dion Waiters: SG, 20, 6-4, 221, Syracuse, Soph.

This has been one of the toughest picks to lock down over the last few weeks. As of late, Jerry West appears to have pushed this front office (and ownership) in the direction of Dion Waiters, despite the fact that he has refused to work out for the team and has not conducted a physical or even an interview with the Warriors. Surely this will set a bad precedent in coming years for how agents should conduct themselves during the draft process, which could cause some push-back from the league office, but for now, it looks fairly likely that Waiters is the pick here.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/y-sports-d ... w.UU68vLYF

Hmm.... interesting that West a huge Waiters fan.

I know you love MKG and I wouldn't be terribly upset if he ended up the pick,
but Waiters has gotten some pretty impressive comments. He would be a better
fit than MKG and might end up being a better player than Beal (the guy I do want most).

Post #836 » by **Zonkerbl** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:29 pm

If Jae Crowder is gone by 32, would you pick Denmon over Barton?

Nivek · Post #837 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:29 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:If Jae Crowder is gone by 32, would you pick Denmon over Barton?

Yes.

I'll now duck that stapler CCJ is about to throw at my head.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #838 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:41 pm

Dat, aside from Davis, the players who I think have the best chance of playing in an all star game are Micheal Kidd-Gilchrist, Thomas Robinson, Quincy Miller, Moe Harkless, Damian Lillard, Andrew Nicholson, and possibly Dion Waiters.

I think Miller is going to recover from his ACL and become among the top scorers in the NBA.

Regardless of whether they are drafted I expect Machado, Denmon, Crowder, and Will Barton will be much better than expected.

I expect John Shurna will be drafted and he will make an NBA roster.

I won't be shocked if Darius Johnson-Odom ends up a better NBA player than Austin Rivers.

I expect Hollis Thompson will be selected much earlier in round two than projected, and he will stick with a team.

I also expect Terrell Stoglin will be drafted, by a playoff caliber team like the Bulls late in round two.

I do not think Crowder will be drafted.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #839 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:44 pm

Nivek wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:If Jae Crowder is gone by 32, would you pick Denmon over Barton?

Yes.

I'll now duck that stapler CCJ is about to throw at my head.

I won't be shocked if neither Crowder nor Denmon is drafted at all.

Barton seems to have piqued the interest of a couple teams, and I expect he will go in round one now.

Some of the best players won't be drafted. I think Reggie Hamilton, Marcus Denmon, and Jae Crowder might be passed over simply because of their lack of height/size. Robbie Hummel won't be drafted because of injury concerns.

I believe Kevin Jones of West Virginia will be drafted way too low.

dobrojim · Post #840 » by **dobrojim** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:48 pm

Nivek wrote:
Induveca wrote:Wall/Mack
Harden/Crawford
Vesley/Singleton/Crowder
Nene/Booker
Okafor/Seraphin

Very fun team to watch......

::fingers crossed::

Wall/Mack
Harden/Crawford
Danny Green/Crowder/Singleton
Nene/Booker/Vesely
Seraphin/Nene/Vesely

That would have been a fun team to watch too.