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SizzlinSimms wrote:Wall provides elements that aren't measured in statistics, while some might be but they are those abstract statistics that many don't check.
His leadership has stepped up immensely. His defense and he's like a mini-LBJ on those chase down blocks. It can't be a coincidence that almost every player's % rose since Wall came back: Ariza, Beal, etc.
hands11 wrote:This is just insane how Wall has turned his game around.
This was the best case scenario for the type of player he could be.
And right on que, year 3 seems to be when players like Wall put it together. Considering one of those years was a strike and another he started 30 games in.... kind of amazing he has come so far.
It might take a while for this to all sink in for everyone here but.... this is a legit NBA team now. They still have more work to do adding the next right pieces but we can now count on watching some good ball for a while.
Wall and Beal are both very talented.
And the chemistry on this team just seems awesome. You can see it growing with every win. Even getting their... we just kicked some ass bench swag going.
nate33 wrote:SizzlinSimms wrote:Wall provides elements that aren't measured in statistics, while some might be but they are those abstract statistics that many don't check.
His leadership has stepped up immensely. His defense and he's like a mini-LBJ on those chase down blocks. It can't be a coincidence that almost every player's % rose since Wall came back: Ariza, Beal, etc.
Blocked shots and teammate's FG% are measured by statistics.
theboomking wrote:I don't think there is any way Wall doesn't get signed to a max contract. I think he is going to finish the season with a PER over 21. I don't any of us imagined that that would be possible a couple of months ago. I also think that Wall is the kind of guy who will play harder if he gets the max, in order to justify his contract. Even when I was having doubts about how good he would be, he always seemed like a good, hard working kid. I am glad to see him having this kind of success. He seems like the anti-Dray/McGee.
doclinkin wrote:^^^
Funny reading the Sucky Wall thread, feeling like we need a Hall of Shame on folks who quit too quick on him. Take your lumps and atone: JonathanJoseph ('I said from day one we should trade him'), hands11 ('Jan Vesely is the real franchise player on this team'), and all. The sooner you admit your failures the quicker we can forgive and move on. Say the mantra, make it your sig: I was wrong, I am sorry, I suck at talent evaluation, thank you John Wall for showing me the error of my ways....
hands11 wrote:doclinkin wrote:^^^
Funny reading the Sucky Wall thread, feeling like we need a Hall of Shame on folks who quit too quick on him. Take your lumps and atone: JonathanJoseph ('I said from day one we should trade him'), hands11 ('Jan Vesely is the real franchise player on this team'), and all. The sooner you admit your failures the quicker we can forgive and move on. Say the mantra, make it your sig: I was wrong, I am sorry, I suck at talent evaluation, thank you John Wall for showing me the error of my ways....
Wow. Really Doc.
That horse has already been beaten. Ves hadn't even played a regular season game when that was posted and that was in the strike year during a run when Wall looked like he wanted to be Larry Hughes. He was terrible. Had no clue. Just like Nick and McGee had no clue. And Wall didn't even know how to change speed and constantly picked up his dribble. It was one post a long long time ago.
Lots has been posted since then.
doclinkin wrote:^^^
Funny reading the Sucky Wall thread, feeling like we need a Hall of Shame on folks who quit too quick on him. Take your lumps and atone: JonathanJoseph ('I said from day one we should trade him'), hands11 ('Jan Vesely is the real franchise player on this team'), and all. The sooner you admit your failures the quicker we can forgive and move on. Say the mantra, make it your sig: I was wrong, I am sorry, I suck at talent evaluation, thank you John Wall for showing me the error of my ways....
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nate33 wrote:hands11 wrote:His TOV% improved 0.7 so he is now at 14th. If he can get that into the 14 to 14.5 range, that would be huge.
ORtg got better by 2. He is now at 104. If he can get that to 110 by the end of the year. Again, huge.
This I don't understand. Conley has a DRtg of 100 and it didn't change at all from that last game when Wall went for 46. How is that ?
Man, Tony Parker is a great value. All that and he is locked in at 12.5M for 2 more years.
His numbers won't improve that much. It's pretty much impossible for him to get that ORtg up to 110 in just 12 games. He'd need to average a ORtg of 128 on high usage. Basically, he'd have to outplay Lebron for the next 12 games. Same thing with turnovers. He'd have to post a TOV% of just 7% to meet your goal. He'd have to turn the ball over half as much as Chris Paul.
Your question about Conley points out the weakness of DRtg as a stat. Basically DRtg incorporates the few defensive box score stats out there (blocks, steals, defensive rebounds) and then looks at team defensive efficiency and assigns a portion of that to each player. Conley has a good DRtg because Memphis plays good D as a team and Conley gets a lot of steals. It has nothing whatsoever to do with his ability to shut down individual players. Giving up 107 points as a team (on a night when Conley himself got 3 steals) isn't going to affect his overall DRtg much. His DRtg will steadily get worse if he continues to play a lot of games without Marc Gasol though.
nate33 wrote:theboomking wrote:In a way, we are fortunate about the injury keeping him out of All Star contention. He can't qualify for the supermax contract because he won't make 2 all star games during his rookie contract.
hands11 wrote:doclinkin wrote:^^^
Funny reading the Sucky Wall thread, feeling like we need a Hall of Shame on folks who quit too quick on him. Take your lumps and atone: JonathanJoseph ('I said from day one we should trade him'), hands11 ('Jan Vesely is the real franchise player on this team'), and all. The sooner you admit your failures the quicker we can forgive and move on. Say the mantra, make it your sig: I was wrong, I am sorry, I suck at talent evaluation, thank you John Wall for showing me the error of my ways....
Wow. Really Doc.
That horse has already been beaten. Ves hadn't even played a regular season game when that was posted and that was in the strike year during a run when Wall looked like he wanted to be Larry Hughes. He was terrible. Had no clue. Just like Nick and McGee had no clue. And Wall didn't even know how to change speed and constantly picked up his dribble. It was one post a long long time ago.
Lots has been posted since then.
If you want to point to something I posted, how about something legit and more recent like this year when I said, when he starts playing better, they should trade him for a boat load instead of paying him max.
I would have entertained that idea up until very recently. You could get a lot for him. Now I wouldn't. Wall is not only balln. He has matured at ton. This is a young man that wants to win it all and he seems to want to do it by balancing his scoring with his true PG skills.
Spence wrote:nate33 wrote:theboomking wrote:In a way, we are fortunate about the injury keeping him out of All Star contention. He can't qualify for the supermax contract because he won't make 2 all star games during his rookie contract.
When this is the stuff you consider fortunate, that's how you know you're a Wizards fan.