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Bradley Beal - Part II

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Post#821 » by dckingsfan » Sat May 17, 2014 1:37 pm

If Wall & Beal don't make big jumps this year - where is the improvement going to come in 2014/2015.

I know Maynor won't be there and no Seraphin. So consistency?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#822 » by dckingsfan » Sat May 17, 2014 1:40 pm

CobraCommander wrote:If you are not trying to win it all next year or at least get further than out of round one- stand pat on starting 5 make minor bench improvement at point and center while allowing wall and beal to grow.

Otherwise if you want to improve right now and compete for east- why not go after melo?


So, do you think that Beal will make a major jump in year 3?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#823 » by Darko Miliminutes » Sat May 17, 2014 3:08 pm

Big jump very possible next year.

First he figures out how to get his against Butler. And then, and this is very very important. He had to play against Paul George. That will help his development a huge amount. He learned all his flaws, very first hand...not from tapes or coaching, but by getting schooled by one the very the best perimeter defenders in the game.

And while being healthy this off season, he'll be able to work on weaknesses. And just as importantly, he'll be working with team USA (with his shooting ability he might...naaah, not yet). Which will be huge! Everybody comes back from those weeks a better, more polished player.

He showed serious moxy in these playoffs, and with the off season he's about to have, a big jump is very possible. The optimist in me, may even say likely.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#824 » by Illmatic12 » Sat May 17, 2014 3:25 pm

dckingsfan wrote:If Wall & Beal don't make big jumps this year - where is the improvement going to come in 2014/2015.

I know Maynor won't be there and no Seraphin. So consistency?

From improving our bench. We had the 29th worst bench in the NBA this year and won 44 games. The second unit we were trotting out early in the season cost us at least 4-5 wins singlehandedly.

If we can boost our bench to being average or even above average, we will certainly be a more formidable team.

We don't need anybody to make a huge jump next year (except Porter obviously), we just need incremental improvement and consistency. I saw a stat that Washington had over 10+ games that where they blew a double-digit lead and lost, that's what we have to stop doing. Not losing to the Bucks, Kings, etc.. Wall not having random games where he disappears, Beal not having those 3-14 nights
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#825 » by pancakes3 » Sat May 17, 2014 3:34 pm

Big question is does Beal focus on improving his existing skill set (shooting) or does he expand into his weaker skills (ball handling)?
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Post#826 » by dckingsfan » Sat May 17, 2014 3:34 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:If Wall & Beal don't make big jumps this year - where is the improvement going to come in 2014/2015.

I know Maynor won't be there and no Seraphin. So consistency?

From improving our bench. We had the 29th worst bench in the NBA this year and won 44 games. The second unit we were trotting out early in the season cost us at least 4-5 wins singlehandedly.

If we can boost our bench to being average or even above average, we will certainly be a more formidable team.

We don't need anybody to make a huge jump next year (except Porter obviously), we just need incremental improvement and consistency. I saw a stat that Washington had over 10+ games that where they blew a double-digit lead and lost, that's what we have to stop doing. Not losing to the Bucks, Kings, etc.. Wall not having random games where he disappears, Beal not having those 3-14 nights


Bench improvement makes sense - Miller, Webster, Porter, Gooden + another FC player (maybe Booker comes back?)
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Post#827 » by Illmatic12 » Sat May 17, 2014 4:15 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:If Wall & Beal don't make big jumps this year - where is the improvement going to come in 2014/2015.

I know Maynor won't be there and no Seraphin. So consistency?

From improving our bench. We had the 29th worst bench in the NBA this year and won 44 games. The second unit we were trotting out early in the season cost us at least 4-5 wins singlehandedly.

If we can boost our bench to being average or even above average, we will certainly be a more formidable team.

We don't need anybody to make a huge jump next year (except Porter obviously), we just need incremental improvement and consistency. I saw a stat that Washington had over 10+ games that where they blew a double-digit lead and lost, that's what we have to stop doing. Not losing to the Bucks, Kings, etc.. Wall not having random games where he disappears, Beal not having those 3-14 nights


Bench improvement makes sense - Miller, Webster, Porter, Gooden + another FC player (maybe Booker comes back?)

Ideally we would get a stretch 4 like Pat Patterson who also rebounds, and another combo guard like a Darren Collison, Patty Mills type who can give us a spark off the bench and take some minutes off of Wall and Beal. And hopefully Webster is healthy, and Porter can show us something.

Definitely agree with bringing back Gooden
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#828 » by Darko Miliminutes » Sat May 17, 2014 4:48 pm

pancakes3 wrote:Big question is does Beal focus on improving his existing skill set (shooting) or does he expand into his weaker skills (ball handling)?


I've got to imagine there will be a serious emphasis on ball handling. And hopefully a couple of back down moves. He's strong enough, and has good reach. There will be plenty of opponents that he'll have an advantage with, if he gets in the post.

Ball handling and post moves, with some shot selection growth, is what i'll hope for.
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Post#829 » by Illmatic12 » Sat May 17, 2014 8:56 pm

It's funny, reading NBA draft stuff I'm already hearing stuff like "So and so could be the next Bradley Beal".. kid is only 20 years old and already is making a name for himself
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Post#830 » by Mizerooskie » Sat May 17, 2014 9:29 pm

I have no doubt he's going to be a stud. Top-2 shooting guard as early as next season.
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Post#831 » by hands11 » Sun May 18, 2014 1:44 am

Darko Miliminutes wrote:Big jump very possible next year.

First he figures out how to get his against Butler. And then, and this is very very important. He had to play against Paul George. That will help his development a huge amount. He learned all his flaws, very first hand...not from tapes or coaching, but by getting schooled by one the very the best perimeter defenders in the game.

And while being healthy this off season, he'll be able to work on weaknesses. And just as importantly, he'll be working with team USA (with his shooting ability he might...naaah, not yet). Which will be huge! Everybody comes back from those weeks a better, more polished player.

He showed serious moxy in these playoffs, and with the off season he's about to have, a big jump is very possible. The optimist in me, may even say likely.


That's really important for people to remember. He had that leg thing and couldn't do anything. Just like Wall missed a summer.

And yes, team USA

I expect Beal to be full on beast next year and I expect the same from Wall.

And I expect Otto to hit to ground contributing. He had this whole year to red shirt and now he has the entire summer to get stronger and keep improving. I think they already speeded up his release.

That feeling of having a young contributing star powered young core, I think people will feel that more next year.

From there its all about building it out. Right now, they built out is with 30 plus year old vets except TA is 29.
And that's fine since Wall, Beal and Otto are so young and needed that. But as they mature more, they can replace those Millers and AHs with younger players if they want. Or they can do like they just did. Its always great to get those final years for player like A Miller, PP, Derek Fisher when chasing titles.

Its working out.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#832 » by hands11 » Sun May 18, 2014 1:58 am

pancakes3 wrote:Big question is does Beal focus on improving his existing skill set (shooting) or does he expand into his weaker skills (ball handling)?


I think he works on it all but primarily, he needs to be more Wade.

I think he has the long ball worked out already.

What crazy with Wall and Beal is I have now gone back and forth with who can be the bigger impact player at least one cycle.

I said Beal early on. Then Wall went nuts and Beal struggled and it seems clear it was Wall, Now seeing Beal in the playoff.

Quality problem to have.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#833 » by hands11 » Sun May 18, 2014 2:00 am

Illmatic12 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:From improving our bench. We had the 29th worst bench in the NBA this year and won 44 games. The second unit we were trotting out early in the season cost us at least 4-5 wins singlehandedly.

If we can boost our bench to being average or even above average, we will certainly be a more formidable team.

We don't need anybody to make a huge jump next year (except Porter obviously), we just need incremental improvement and consistency. I saw a stat that Washington had over 10+ games that where they blew a double-digit lead and lost, that's what we have to stop doing. Not losing to the Bucks, Kings, etc.. Wall not having random games where he disappears, Beal not having those 3-14 nights


Bench improvement makes sense - Miller, Webster, Porter, Gooden + another FC player (maybe Booker comes back?)

Ideally we would get a stretch 4 like Pat Patterson who also rebounds, and another combo guard like a Darren Collison, Patty Mills type who can give us a spark off the bench and take some minutes off of Wall and Beal. And hopefully Webster is healthy, and Porter can show us something.

Definitely agree with bringing back Gooden


Thats my thinking as well.

As for Gooden. He isn't even clearing out his locker. He will stick around and keep working out. Dude is as good as signed.
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Post#834 » by deneem4 » Sun May 18, 2014 9:47 pm

Man if beal had stephenson handles
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#835 » by mhd » Sun May 18, 2014 9:59 pm

hands11 wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
Bench improvement makes sense - Miller, Webster, Porter, Gooden + another FC player (maybe Booker comes back?)

Ideally we would get a stretch 4 like Pat Patterson who also rebounds, and another combo guard like a Darren Collison, Patty Mills type who can give us a spark off the bench and take some minutes off of Wall and Beal. And hopefully Webster is healthy, and Porter can show us something.

Definitely agree with bringing back Gooden


Thats my thinking as well.

As for Gooden. He isn't even clearing out his locker. He will stick around and keep working out. Dude is as good as signed.


Yup, because he's already getting paid by the Bucks, just sign him to the vet min.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#836 » by jangles86 » Mon May 19, 2014 12:22 am

Isn't Gooden a stretch 4?
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#837 » by TheBabyMaker » Mon May 19, 2014 6:37 am

deneem4 wrote:Man if beal had stephenson handles


I'm thinking more Jamal Crawford's handles.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#838 » by Santana Moss » Mon May 19, 2014 11:23 am

Looks like we've got two case studies on the Wiz.

One who underperformed in reg season but brought A game in playoffs and has now made a name for himself nationally.

One who performed at All Star level in reg season but played like poo in playoffs and now has the nickname Brick.

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#839 » by Induveca » Mon May 19, 2014 1:28 pm

Ha Brick Wall
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part II 

Post#840 » by nate33 » Mon May 19, 2014 2:27 pm

Induveca wrote:Ha Brick Wall

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