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Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#821 » by NatP4 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:59 pm

deneem4 wrote:
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Meliorus wrote:Now that you guys see how little Nurkic went for, will people STOP posting fair trades. Draft picks are worth so much, and players are worth little to none. Everything needs to be a low-ball because that's the state of the market right now.


Wait what did nurkic go for? I didn't see


Plumlee portland 2018 2nd for nurkic Memphis 17 1st...
Yes it's typed correctly


....what in the hell is Denver thinking? ERNIE GET ON THE PHONE RIGHT NOW AND STEAL BARTON AND CHANDLER, HELL, ASK ABOUT JOKIC.

Meliorus is right, that sellers market is going to give us some nice discounts.
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Post#822 » by deneem4 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:07 pm

I'm not sure which is the more backwards trade the Bucks and Charlotte
OR Denver and Portland
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#823 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:13 pm

NatP4 wrote:
Meliorus wrote:Now that you guys see how little Nurkic went for, will people STOP posting fair trades. Draft picks are worth so much, and players are worth little to none. Everything needs to be a low-ball because that's the state of the market right now.


Wait what did nurkic go for? I didn't see

Here is the thing about that deal. Denver were the buyers and portland were the sellers. Nurkic only value in that deal is that he is a health cheap locked in contract at center. They traded plumlee because they know hes going to get about 16-20 mill next year on the open market and they don't want to pay him that. so they moved him. He is a young talented center, but he is older and not all that much better than nurkic, and at 26 nurkic might be better than plumlees at 26, so short sided trade there. They slightly over paid for plumlee but its justifiable for two reasons. Because they have so much cap room coming next year and nothing to do with it because no one want's to come there. The traded for a guy that they have ona rookie deal so they can match any offer and keep him. I can't disagree that Jotic and plumlee will be a good tandem. but I would have traded something else cuz now they are still thin at center. Over all portland fleeced them. they got a young solid cheep big one cheap contract next year and a valuable pick in a valuable draft, for a big that while really good, they wanted to dump and not pay. portland won hands down. and Nurkic did not have the value they said he did, because they did not trade plumlee for nurkic. they traded plumless for the pick and got nurkic as filler for a 2018 seconds round pick which a denver poster just laughed at me about yesterday right here in this thread lol.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#824 » by bealwithit » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:22 pm

Portland has a terrible cap situation and probably were not going to be able to re-sign Plumlee. Plumlee is a good player. Nurkic sucks. They get a 1st in a deep draft while Denver could end up losing Nurkic, Plumlee, AND the 1st if Plumlee goes elsewhere. Considering Plumlee will probably get paid big bucks by someone and Denver sucks... yeesh. Don't see why he would stay.

If Denver is this dumb, call em up right now lmao
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#825 » by NatP4 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:24 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
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Meliorus wrote:Now that you guys see how little Nurkic went for, will people STOP posting fair trades. Draft picks are worth so much, and players are worth little to none. Everything needs to be a low-ball because that's the state of the market right now.


Wait what did nurkic go for? I didn't see

Here is the thing about that deal. Denver were the buyers and portland were the sellers. Nurkic only value in that deal is that he is a health cheap locked in contract at center. They traded plumlee because they know hes going to get about 16-20 mill next year on the open market and they don't want to pay him that. so they moved him. He is a young talented center, but he is older and not all that much better than nurkic, and at 26 nurkic might be better than plumlees at 26, so short sided trade there. They slightly over paid for plumlee but its justifiable for two reasons. Because they have so much cap room coming next year and nothing to do with it because no one want's to come there. The traded for a guy that they have ona rookie deal so they can match any offer and keep him. I can't disagree that Jotic and plumlee will be a good tandem. but I would have traded something else cuz now they are still thin at center. Over all portland fleeced them. they got a young solid cheep big one cheap contract next year and a valuable pick in a valuable draft, for a big that while really good, they wanted to dump and not pay. portland won hands down. and Nurkic did not have the value they said he did, because they did not trade plumlee for nurkic. they traded plumless for the pick and got nurkic as filler for a 2018 seconds round pick which a denver poster just laughed at me about yesterday right here in this thread lol.


LOL you're right. I totally forgot that guy laughed at you for that identical idea. That's funny :lol:
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#826 » by Meliorus » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:24 pm

bealwithit wrote:Portland has a terrible cap situation and probably were not going to be able to re-sign Plumlee. Plumlee is a good player. Nurkic sucks. They get a 1st in a deep draft while Denver could end up losing Nurkic, Plumlee, AND the 1st if Plumlee goes elsewhere. Considering Plumlee will probably get paid big bucks by someone and Denver sucks... yeesh. Don't see why he would stay.

If Denver is this dumb, call em up right now lmao


Nurkic sucks? This is news. Seen people on here very willing to give up our 1st rounder unprotected for him.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#827 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:26 pm

deneem4 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
Meliorus wrote:Now that you guys see how little Nurkic went for, will people STOP posting fair trades. Draft picks are worth so much, and players are worth little to none. Everything needs to be a low-ball because that's the state of the market right now.


Wait what did nurkic go for? I didn't see


Plumlee portland 2018 2nd for nurkic Memphis 17 1st...
Yes it's typed correctly

An absolute steal by Portland. I don't understand what Denver was thinking. Maybe Nurkic has some off-the-court issues that only Denver knows about.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#828 » by NatP4 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:28 pm

nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
Wait what did nurkic go for? I didn't see


Plumlee portland 2018 2nd for nurkic Memphis 17 1st...
Yes it's typed correctly

An absolute steal by Portland. I don't understand what Denver was thinking. Maybe Nurkic has some off-the-court issues that only Denver knows about.



Have you not seen all the reports of him being an A hole? He does some of the most immature stuff because he's not getting playing time. Still an absolute steal by Portland
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#829 » by bealwithit » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:30 pm

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bealwithit wrote:Portland has a terrible cap situation and probably were not going to be able to re-sign Plumlee. Plumlee is a good player. Nurkic sucks. They get a 1st in a deep draft while Denver could end up losing Nurkic, Plumlee, AND the 1st if Plumlee goes elsewhere. Considering Plumlee will probably get paid big bucks by someone and Denver sucks... yeesh. Don't see why he would stay.

If Denver is this dumb, call em up right now lmao


Nurkic sucks? This is news. Seen people on here very willing to give up our 1st rounder unprotected for him.

Haha, I assume you're making a funny based on your last sentence, but for people who don't know Nurkic's numbers are AWFUL. His Offensive Rating is below 100 and his Defensive Rating has ballooned from 102 to 110. Off WS is in the negatives and his Def WS aren't much better. He had a decent rookie season but has been tumbling ever since. Nuggets fans talking on the GB about this back up the numbers of how bad he is.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#830 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:31 pm

bealwithit wrote:
Meliorus wrote:
bealwithit wrote:Portland has a terrible cap situation and probably were not going to be able to re-sign Plumlee. Plumlee is a good player. Nurkic sucks. They get a 1st in a deep draft while Denver could end up losing Nurkic, Plumlee, AND the 1st if Plumlee goes elsewhere. Considering Plumlee will probably get paid big bucks by someone and Denver sucks... yeesh. Don't see why he would stay.

If Denver is this dumb, call em up right now lmao


Nurkic sucks? This is news. Seen people on here very willing to give up our 1st rounder unprotected for him.

Haha, I assume you're making a funny based on your last sentence, but for people who don't know Nurkic's numbers are AWFUL. His Offensive Rating is below 100 and his Defensive Rating has ballooned from 102 to 110. Off WS is in the negatives and his Def WS aren't much better. He had a decent rookie season but has been tumbling ever since. Nuggets fans talking on the GB about this back up the numbers of how bad he is.

Interesting. I confess I haven't paid much attention to Denver lately.
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Post#831 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:35 pm

bealwithit wrote:Portland has a terrible cap situation and probably were not going to be able to re-sign Plumlee. Plumlee is a good player. Nurkic sucks. They get a 1st in a deep draft while Denver could end up losing Nurkic, Plumlee, AND the 1st if Plumlee goes elsewhere. Considering Plumlee will probably get paid big bucks by someone and Denver sucks... yeesh. Don't see why he would stay.

If Denver is this dumb, call em up right now lmao

Nurkic does not sucks. His defence needs work but he is a capable offensive bench player and decent rebounder and 22, some bigs take a while, and I bet he is going to be very good when he is 26.
Plumlee is a restricted free agent so as long as denver is willing to pay up they can match any offer on him.But yeah I agree pretty bad trade for denver, I understand why but man, I was dead on about nurkic being worth a second and he was. This pretty much drops will bartons value too. I mean Nicholson or smith and a 2019 highly protected, first for barton and Hernengomez does not sound so crazy all of a sudden. try to recoup the pick they gave up might be smart. Burke and a second for barton sounds like the play, it really really does, they need added PG depth, and they don't need Barton with Gallo, chandler, harris beasley and murry on the team. if they wanted to do nicholson and a 2019 first for Harris or Murry straight up Id do that all day too!
mahinmi and a 2018 or 2019 first for chandler and barton might be the play? they still don't have a back up center. That Nurkic trade is just fascinating, its telling you a lot about the market. Ibaka is not going for nearly what people think he is now, all do to the fact that plumlee in the same situation went for less than what they are asking and he is restricted vs unrestricted.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#832 » by bealwithit » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:35 pm

nate33 wrote:
bealwithit wrote:
Meliorus wrote:
Nurkic sucks? This is news. Seen people on here very willing to give up our 1st rounder unprotected for him.

Haha, I assume you're making a funny based on your last sentence, but for people who don't know Nurkic's numbers are AWFUL. His Offensive Rating is below 100 and his Defensive Rating has ballooned from 102 to 110. Off WS is in the negatives and his Def WS aren't much better. He had a decent rookie season but has been tumbling ever since. Nuggets fans talking on the GB about this back up the numbers of how bad he is.

Interesting. I confess I haven't paid much attention to Denver lately.

Neither have I, don't blame you. But it's no coincidence that Denver had to throw in a 1st to get Portland to take Nurkic for Plumlee.

Anyway, I just don't like the chances of Plumlee staying in Denver. Denver would have been better off keeping their extra 1st to draft someone knowing they'll have control over for a while.
EDIT: Seeing now that Plumlee will be a RFA. Makes more sense now for Denver.
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Post#833 » by Mojo Amok » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:38 pm

Am I missing something with Nurkic's on court value? That 19% TOV% looks like good fodder for a Shaqtin' A Fool hour-long special before a Portland follow up trade to the Qingdao DoubleStars for a porcelain tea-caddy filled with duck offals.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#834 » by bealwithit » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:43 pm

Mojo Amok wrote:Am I missing something with Nurkic's on court value? That 19% TOV% looks like good fodder for a Shaqtin' A Fool hour-long special before a Portland follow up trade to the Qingdao DoubleStars for a porcelain tea-caddy filled with duck offals.

People remembered hearing about him having a good rookie season and he gets confused with Jokic a lot. (I plead guilty to that one)
Dude is dookie. Maybe a move to Portland will help him playing with Lillard/McCollum.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#835 » by Meliorus » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:49 pm

Denver gets a big with some upside (more than Okafor) and a first rounder in the deepest draft in years??? **** they'll get a chance to draft a star at pick 20.
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Post#836 » by Illmatic12 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:51 pm

Nurkic is a big physical center and pretty mobile, he's got a lot of potential. He just needs to play with players that can take pressure off of him while he develops his offense (and Lillard and McCollum fit the bill).

Great move for Portland in getting those picks as well.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#837 » by payitforward » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:51 pm

NatP4 wrote:maybe we could steal will barton for a 2nd. we acquired Okafor, Ariza for a bad contract and a 2nd, Andre Miller for a 2nd, Sessions for Andre Miller....

Think again on that Okariza trade. We had a $13m buyout on Rashard Lewis. Instead of buying him out, we traded him for:

1. Okafor -- @$28m in salary obligation, every penny of which we paid (see below). He played 2000 minutes for our (at the time quite bad) team, & then had a career-ending injury. He had been injured previously, btw, as many of us who hated this trade pointed out back then.

2. Ariza -- $14m in salary obligation; he played two years and left as a FA. Personally, I'd have been happy to acquire Ariza on his own in a different deal. & I'd have wanted to keep him too, which - in fairness - we did.

That R2 pick we sent along with Lewis was the #46 in 2012. I was very high on Kyle O'Quinn; he's the guy I'd have snapped up (he wound up going #49, so he'd have been available).

After Okafor was injured, we had no one to start at Center. Ernie had no back-up plan. Hence, we were stuck & made an opening-day trade under duress. We acquired Marcin Gortat. Now I love Gortat: I wanted him in 2010 when he was expiring at Orlando. He's a good player. But there is a difference, a big one, between a good player & a good trade for that player.

Phoenix was looking to trade Gortat, b/c he was expiring & they'd just drafted Alex Len, whom they saw as their Center of the future, & also traded for Miles Plumlee. Under ordinary circumstances, we'd have been able to sign the following Summer w/o giving up any asset at all.

Instead, because Ernie had left us stuck, Phoenix got us to hold our socks in that trade. We got a one-season Gortat rental, & we also had to take on every single bad contract on the Suns' roster -- about $6-7m worth -- all of which players we proceeded to waive immediately, paying all their salary obligations! Oh, & we gave our R1 pick in 2014 in the deal as well.

In short, the Okariza trade cost us $42m, Kyle O'Quinn, & a mid-R1 pick (how about Clint Capela or Nikola Jokic?). It got us 2000 minutes of Okafor, 2 years of Ariza then bye bye, & 1 season of Marcin Gortat. It was an awful move.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#838 » by bealwithit » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:52 pm

Meliorus wrote:Denver gets a big with some upside (more than Okafor) and a first rounder in the deepest draft in years??? **** they'll get a chance to draft a star at pick 20.

No, Portland gets the 1st. But I am liking this deal more for Denver now that I know Plumlee is a RFA. Jokic/Plumlee could be a really great combo.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#839 » by J-Ves » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:53 pm

Meliorus wrote:Denver gets a big with some upside (more than Okafor) and a first rounder in the deepest draft in years??? **** they'll get a chance to draft a star at pick 20.

Denver gave up a pick bro.

Seems like a reasonable move for all parties. Denver gets a young, productive PF to play along their elite center. They clearly want to keep Plumlee beyond this season, so having his rfa rights is a big deal.

Portland gets exelent value for a guy they weren't going to keep anyway. The pick has more value than Nurkic but he has shown enough flashes to be valuable as well.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII 

Post#840 » by gambitx777 » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:58 pm

bealwithit wrote:
Mojo Amok wrote:Am I missing something with Nurkic's on court value? That 19% TOV% looks like good fodder for a Shaqtin' A Fool hour-long special before a Portland follow up trade to the Qingdao DoubleStars for a porcelain tea-caddy filled with duck offals.

People remembered hearing about him having a good rookie season and he gets confused with Jokic a lot. (I plead guilty to that one)
Dude is dookie. Maybe a move to Portland will help him playing with Lillard/McCollum.

hes not a bad player, his numbers were down because he landed in the dog house in denver. He is a good young offensive big who can rebound well enough and block some shots. He needs work on his D but hes 22.

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