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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#821 » by NYG » Sat Sep 1, 2018 6:30 pm

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queridiculo wrote:
Saves the Wizards around $4 million, but the Wizards would still be between $8-9 million from getting below the luxury tax threshold.

I don't really see the Wizards dealing Rivers in a trade for Lee though.

How much is Washington currently over?

How's your arithmetic?

I guess, given the above, we must be between $12-13m over.

(Actually, according to http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/, we are @ $11.1m over the luxury tax threshold)


Jason Smith and Austin River for Courtney Lee and Trey Burke followed by Ian Mahinmi, Jodie Meeks and ‘19 1st for Zach Randolph gets you below the tax outright I think? If so, that’s a sneaky way to add bench talent too.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#822 » by payitforward » Sat Sep 1, 2018 6:46 pm

NYG wrote:
payitforward wrote:
NYG wrote:How much is Washington currently over?

How's your arithmetic?

I guess, given the above, we must be between $12-13m over.

(Actually, according to http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/, we are @ $11.1m over the luxury tax threshold)

Jason Smith and Austin River for Courtney Lee and Trey Burke followed by Ian Mahinmi, Jodie Meeks and ‘19 1st for Zach Randolph gets you below the tax outright I think? If so, that’s a sneaky way to add bench talent too.

I hate trading picks, but it sure does seem we'd be better this year & even save a little $ next year too -- very creative, NYG.

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#823 » by pcbothwel » Sat Sep 1, 2018 10:17 pm

Unless this team completely collapses by January (Doubtful), then our 2019 pick is LONG gone.
I assume we'll keep in touch with Sacramento about a Mahinmi + asset + cash for Koufos trade.
Hoping for Mahinmi, Smith, Cash, 2019 top 8 protected 1st for Koufos + Min Filler (Skal or Davis)

With the (Slight) reduction in Meeks salary with the suspension (200k or so), that might be just under.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#824 » by payitforward » Sun Sep 2, 2018 2:43 am

That's a clever idea -- & Sac'to can certainly afford it.

Basically, however, their only plus in the deal is our #1 pick. For which, in effect, you have them paying somewhere around $25 million plus giving us a R1 pick from a year ago or 2 years ago.

To me at least that seems to give our 2019 R1 pick more value than it's likely to have. What am I missing?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#825 » by Dat2U » Sun Sep 2, 2018 11:26 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
barelyawake wrote:The more I look at it, the more the story goes trade Beal for a big with defensive and leadership abilities.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Sato/Rivers/Brown
Porter/Oubre/Green
MIllsap/Porter/Green
Howard/MIllsap/Diaw

That’s my current dream. With them giving us a pick, because of the age difference.


That's a MUCH BETTER team than we've had since...the team with Webber. Probably even better because of the experience.


Oubre is not a 2 in any shape or form offensively. He's much closer to being a 4. And Millsap is old and coming off an injury plagued season in Denver. Trading Beal for him should never happen.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#826 » by Dat2U » Sun Sep 2, 2018 11:33 am

payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Off the subject and just thinking outside the box, I would do a "flash" rebuild if given the chance. Moreso than a long term one. Meaning I would dump everything and everyone to take multiple shots in a one or two year span at landing elite level talent in the draft. Then immediately surround that young talent with veteran role players to expedite their growth.

We actually are well positioned to do this if the experiment with Dwight doesn't work. Both Beal & Porter should carry solid trade value. Wall, unless he suffers another injury should be moveable as his reputation outsizes his impact even when he's struggling because he can still put up quality numbers. Oubre carries value as well so it's an interesting option to look at if we struggle to start the year

Huh... this is a new notion from you.

If next year's draft is as weak as people claim it will be (???), it might not be the right time to do it. Plus, I would be hard pressed to trade Porter.

It's interesting to think about what it would have been like to do your "flash rebuild" as we were coming off of the strong 2016-17 season & looking at the strong 2017 & 2018 drafts.

Wall had a terrific year; could we have moved him to the Lakers for both their 2017 low R1 picks (Kuzma & Hart) plus Larry Nance?
Could we have moved Beal to Utah for their 2017 & 2018 R1 picks? Donovan Mitchell & Grayson Allen.
Could we have moved Oubre to Brooklyn for their 2017 #22 pick (Jarrett Allen) & 2018 #29 pick (take Mitchell Robinson).

You'd have to assume our 2017-18 season would have seen us out of the playoffs & with a higher pair of picks in the 2018 draft. Maybe we wind up with Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Khyri Thomas?

Lets see... where would that leave us at the start of this off-season?

PG: Tomas Satoransky, Donovan Mitchell, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
SG: Josh Hart, Grayson Allen, Khyri Thomas, Jodie Meeks
SF: Otto Porter, Kyle Kuzma
PF: Larry Nance, Markieff Morris, Mitchell Robinson
C: Marcin Gortat, Ian Mahinmi, Jarrett Allen, Thomas Bryant, Jason Smith

Of course, we might not have signed Meeks as a FA the previous off season -- perhaps a 3 instead. & this off season, we'd still trade Gortat, but for a 3 if at all possible. We might or might not sign Howard.

That's a good team, I'd say -- & one with an awful lot of trade assets. Oh, & no cap or luxury tax problems.

Of course this is entirely hindsight. Doesn't mean much. If anything. Interesting though....


I only suggest a flash rebuild if it's clear it's not working out and were teetering around .500 or below.

Also Utah would NEVER deal Mitchell under any circumstances; and even if they did, I doubt he'd be Sato's backup. Kuzma isn't a SF. He's a PF. Nance & Robinson aren't PFs, they are Cs.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#827 » by Dat2U » Sun Sep 2, 2018 11:38 am

barelyawake wrote:The more I look at it, the more the story goes trade Beal for a big with defensive and leadership abilities.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Sato/Rivers/Brown
Porter/Oubre/Green
MIllsap/Porter/Green
Howard/MIllsap/Diaw

That’s my current dream. With them giving us a pick, because of the age difference.


What about Dwyane Wade? I know he wasn't great in the locker room in Cleveland but I wonder if he could help our group much in the way Paul Pierce did. Adding a veteran voice who's been a champion and has earned the respect of officials can't hurt, right?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#828 » by barelyawake » Sun Sep 2, 2018 11:50 am

Dat2U wrote:
barelyawake wrote:The more I look at it, the more the story goes trade Beal for a big with defensive and leadership abilities.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Sato/Rivers/Brown
Porter/Oubre/Green
MIllsap/Porter/Green
Howard/MIllsap/Diaw

That’s my current dream. With them giving us a pick, because of the age difference.


What about Dwyane Wade? I know he wasn't great in the locker room in Cleveland but I wonder if he could help our group much in the way Paul Pierce did. Adding a veteran voice who's been a champion and has earned the respect of officials can't hurt, right?

Yes, MIllsap is 33. That’s why we get a pick. We also get the cap to keep Sato and Oubre. Oubre IMO can play the 2. He certainly can defend the 2 and create his own shot against them. Are either MIllsap’s age or Oubre at the 2 ideal? No. Working with what we got.

I’d love Wade.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#829 » by montestewart » Sun Sep 2, 2018 3:59 pm

Millsap gets more than Beal, right? And what's Wade expect money wise at this point? Might need Nate/PIF/etc. to shake out some numbers on all this.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#830 » by payitforward » Sun Sep 2, 2018 5:13 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
barelyawake wrote:The more I look at it, the more the story goes trade Beal for a big with defensive and leadership abilities.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Sato/Rivers/Brown
Porter/Oubre/Green
MIllsap/Porter/Green
Howard/MIllsap/Diaw

That’s my current dream. With them giving us a pick, because of the age difference.

That's a MUCH BETTER team than we've had since...the team with Webber. Probably even better because of the experience.

Oubre is not a 2 in any shape or form offensively. He's much closer to being a 4. And Millsap is old and coming off an injury plagued season in Denver. Trading Beal for him should never happen.

Millsap is done. Diaw was done ages ago. You don't build a team by acquiring "names," you do it by acquiring players -- above all players with a future.

Millsap, Diaw & Green bring nothing. Howard is about to turn 33. Wall is a 9-year veteran. Rivers has used over 10,000 NBA minutes to demonstrate that he isn't a good player.

Your proposed team includes exactly 4 guys from whom it would be possible to have any hope at all for significant further development: Brown, Oubre, Sato & Porter. Brown is a complete unknown. Oubre is exciting electronic sign that flashes a big bright question mark. Satoransky turns 27 in 8 weeks; improvements are a long shot. Even Otto is already 25.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#831 » by queridiculo » Sun Sep 2, 2018 7:48 pm

Dat2U wrote:
What about Dwyane Wade? I know he wasn't great in the locker room in Cleveland but I wonder if he could help our group much in the way Paul Pierce did. Adding a veteran voice who's been a champion and has earned the respect of officials can't hurt, right?


Maybe over the hill Wade is just a colossal ****?

He wasn't exactly a great locker room presence with the Bulls either...
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#832 » by barelyawake » Sun Sep 2, 2018 8:54 pm

payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:That's a MUCH BETTER team than we've had since...the team with Webber. Probably even better because of the experience.

Oubre is not a 2 in any shape or form offensively. He's much closer to being a 4. And Millsap is old and coming off an injury plagued season in Denver. Trading Beal for him should never happen.

Millsap is done. Diaw was done ages ago. You don't build a team by acquiring "names," you do it by acquiring players -- above all players with a future.

Millsap, Diaw & Green bring nothing. Howard is about to turn 33. Wall is a 9-year veteran. Rivers has used over 10,000 NBA minutes to demonstrate that he isn't a good player.

Your proposed team includes exactly 4 guys from whom it would be possible to have any hope at all for significant further development: Brown, Oubre, Sato & Porter. Brown is a complete unknown. Oubre is exciting electronic sign that flashes a big bright question mark. Satoransky turns 27 in 8 weeks; improvements are a long shot. Even Otto is already 25.

Again with the stat guys incorrectly calling someone “done” after a poor season due to a nagging injury. And yes, you actually do build a team by acquiring names (because those are the fellows who get foul calls). A defense of Wall, Oubre, Porter, MIllsap and Howard would probably be the top defense in the league (if coached properly). And you have three guys who can create their own shot. We would have a three year window. That’s more than we have now.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#833 » by payitforward » Sun Sep 2, 2018 9:31 pm

barelyawake wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Oubre is not a 2 in any shape or form offensively. He's much closer to being a 4. And Millsap is old and coming off an injury plagued season in Denver. Trading Beal for him should never happen.

Millsap is done. Diaw was done ages ago. You don't build a team by acquiring "names," you do it by acquiring players -- above all players with a future.

Millsap, Diaw & Green bring nothing. Howard is about to turn 33. Wall is a 9-year veteran. Rivers has used over 10,000 NBA minutes to demonstrate that he isn't a good player.

Your proposed team includes exactly 4 guys from whom it would be possible to have any hope at all for significant further development: Brown, Oubre, Sato & Porter. Brown is a complete unknown. Oubre is exciting electronic sign that flashes a big bright question mark. Satoransky turns 27 in 8 weeks; improvements are a long shot. Even Otto is already 25.

Again with the stat guys incorrectly calling someone “done” after a poor season due to a nagging injury. And yes, you actually do build a team by acquiring names (because those are the fellows who get foul calls). A defense of Wall, Oubre, Porter, MIllsap and Howard would probably be the top defense in the league (if coached properly. And you have three guys who can create their own shot. We would have a three year window. That’s more so than we have now.

Obviously, you might be right that Millsap returns to form. But, that's usually less likely in an older player than a young one (maybe that's part of why his injury has been "nagging"?). For another thing, Millsap already had a big drop in productivity between his first & second seasons in Atlanta.

Paul Millsap has almost 24,000 minutes on his body. Imagining that he will contribute to "a three year window" starting now is just wishful thinking.

You willing to pay attention to what Millsap does this season, remembering your idea -- & then admit you were wrong if he doesn't play well? If he does return to form, feel free to point out that you were right & I was wrong.

As to "the top defense in the league" -- if you think adding a single 33 year old guy coming off an injury (one hopes) does that for us, then I assume that even without him you think we'll have, I dunno, maybe one of the top 6-8 defenses in the league?
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#834 » by doclinkin » Mon Sep 3, 2018 1:21 pm

barelyawake wrote:The more I look at it, the more the story goes trade Beal for a big with defensive and leadership abilities.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Sato/Rivers/Brown
Porter/Oubre/Green
MIllsap/Porter/Green
Howard/MIllsap/Diaw

That’s my current dream. With them giving us a pick, because of the age difference.


A 'no' for me in the current era.

I hate the alchemy of it on the offensive end. Too frontloaded in the paint, no space to operate. Our best mismatches are Wall's speed and Dwight's power. Both need credible threats on the exterior to prevent teams collapsing. Oubre's jumper is unreliable for months at a time. Otto works best when he is left alone to slip between the creases back door, or if he is left wide open on the drive and kick. But there's no room to drive without teams respecting our outside shooters. Losing Brad isn't the way we get there.

I don't see any team winning currently if they clog the middle. It's not even the best defensive metagame right now. You need players who challenge the outside shot, versatile and mobile bigs who can show and recover, and players who rebound long range shots in the midrange. Consider that even the DPOY Gobert was unplayable in the post season. Loading up in the interior, even with smart tough nasty players like Millsap does not seem to the the way the game is working right now. What you want is a team of Otto Porters or better yet Kawhi Leonards. Yeah? No? Not possible?

Still. With the team we have right now we could threaten to do something if we had a little more depth in 3 pt shooting, versatile defense, and the ability to go four out with Dwight in the middle. We need outside an outside shooting forward who defends well. Paul Millsapp is a nice add, an upgrade for Keef, but not at the cost of losing shooters or forcing Oubre to be a first option on offense.

Find trades that bring us a DeMarre Carroll, Trevor Ariza, Khris Middleton. Tough frontcourt options who are smart and can hit the three. They can defend a PF but not get lost on the switch.

Better if we had actually landed Al Horford though, passing, smarts, range, defense and the ability to swing between 4-5.

But we dont improve by swapping out Beal, who is still young, improving while earning more touches. Is he as good as his contract? Not currently. Does he have room to improve? He does. HIs 'clutch' outlook needs work. Sport therapy, hypnotism, near death experience, something, a new baby, a reason why his focus improves when things get more important. But still. He's maintaining his efficiency fairly well considering he also increased his workload. Rather than swap him out I'd rather add shooting behind and next to him so teams can't load up on him as an outside threat. Teams know that with John off the floor all you have to do is double Brad since we have no other options. If we put shooters and attackers around him then we can diversify our offense and get back to that "everybody eats' efficiency, even without Wallstar running things. I liked the Courtney Lee rumor. More minutes for Saty would help. Get me a Nico Batum, even Jeremy Lamb, a Reggie Bullock, a little depth and range at the 2-3 to take pressure off Brad. Get me someone from this list (link) and we're a significantly better team.

Dumping Brad is not the way this front office is likely to go. And I dont think we should anyway. Not for a minor upgrade in defense and less room in the front court. And ZERO improvement in outside gunnery. If this is the squad we got, we need more and better shooting on the exterior to make room for: John, Howard, Saty, Troy Brown, Otto, each of whom has talents but needs room to make them shine.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#835 » by doclinkin » Mon Sep 3, 2018 1:25 pm

NYG wrote:
payitforward wrote:
NYG wrote:How much is Washington currently over?

How's your arithmetic?

I guess, given the above, we must be between $12-13m over.

(Actually, according to http://www.basketballinsiders.com/washington-wizards-team-salary/, we are @ $11.1m over the luxury tax threshold)


Jason Smith and Austin River for Courtney Lee and Trey Burke followed by Ian Mahinmi, Jodie Meeks and ‘19 1st for Zach Randolph gets you below the tax outright I think? If so, that’s a sneaky way to add bench talent too.


Hell yes for me on this one. I dont like losing a pick, but Courtney Lee plus Zbo to get under the lux tax, adding talent instead of losing it all in a pointless dump, I'd say yeah that gives flexibility even if we have to go back over the cap to re-sign the talents we want to keep later. At least we dodge the repeat offender penalties so the front office doesn't do something stupid and let our homegrown talent walk for nothing.

John, Saty, (Troy, as point forward)
Brad, Lee,
Otto, Oubre, (Troy,with other solid young talent growing up around him) Uncle Jeff
Zbo, Keef, Uncle Jeff (and Devin Robinson, if his summer league play holds up)
Howard, Zbo, (young Thomas Bryant, working on his long range shot and learning the interior game from Zbo, best in the business underneath)

gives us toughness and depth in the 2nd unit with prideful veterans and intriguing developing talent on the floor together.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#836 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 4, 2018 1:32 pm

I'm looking at Phoenix as a team to trade for after they made a bizarre trade for Ryan Anderson. They're not going anywhere this season, so I thought it made no sense to trade Criss for Anderson. But really, the player I'd target from them would be Mikal Bridges. They don't need him, because they feature Booker at the 2 and Warren at the 3 and have Ariza. I'd have to get a 3rd team to make this trade work, because Beal wouldn't be a fit in Phoenix, but basically trade Beal for Anderson and Bridges, and find another team to take Beal and give Phoenix a PF to go with Ayton. I'd be happy to include one of our PF's in the trade.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#837 » by NatP4 » Tue Sep 4, 2018 3:23 pm

I say dump Morris for a tube of toothpaste, buyout Austin Rivers and sign D Wade.

Wall Sato
Beal Wade
Oubre Brown Jr
Porter Green
Howard Mahinmi Bryant

The main goal should be to have a nice guard trio of Wall Beal Sato, solid depth at the 5 with Howard Mahinmi and Bryant even, and to just rotate wings around at the 2-4 in brown jr, Oubre, and Porter, some Jeff green as well. Get more 3s up, give Wall more shooters, speed the tempo up, and switch 1-4 on defense.

I wanna see how this team does before blowing it up. I know Brooks is gonna use Rivers over Sato leading to a completely incompetent 2nd unit because of poor lead guard play, Oubre will stuggle again playing with a scrub filled 2nd unit because Brooks starts Morris over him. Mahinmi’s minutes will be randomly jerked around to get Morris more minutes at the 5 (where he is terrible) and of course, continue to waste Otto Porter while Wall and Beal play for personal accolades. Leading to a slightly above .500 frustrating season again.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#838 » by barelyawake » Tue Sep 4, 2018 3:25 pm

doclinkin wrote:
barelyawake wrote:The more I look at it, the more the story goes trade Beal for a big with defensive and leadership abilities.

Wall/Sato
Oubre/Sato/Rivers/Brown
Porter/Oubre/Green
MIllsap/Porter/Green
Howard/MIllsap/Diaw

That’s my current dream. With them giving us a pick, because of the age difference.


A 'no' for me in the current era.

I hate the alchemy of it on the offensive end. Too frontloaded in the paint, no space to operate. Our best mismatches are Wall's speed and Dwight's power. Both need credible threats on the exterior to prevent teams collapsing. Oubre's jumper is unreliable for months at a time. Otto works best when he is left alone to slip between the creases back door, or if he is left wide open on the drive and kick. But there's no room to drive without teams respecting our outside shooters. Losing Brad isn't the way we get there.

I don't see any team winning currently if they clog the middle. It's not even the best defensive metagame right now. You need players who challenge the outside shot, versatile and mobile bigs who can show and recover, and players who rebound long range shots in the midrange. Consider that even the DPOY Gobert was unplayable in the post season. Loading up in the interior, even with smart tough nasty players like Millsap does not seem to the the way the game is working right now. What you want is a team of Otto Porters or better yet Kawhi Leonards. Yeah? No? Not possible?

Still. With the team we have right now we could threaten to do something if we had a little more depth in 3 pt shooting, versatile defense, and the ability to go four out with Dwight in the middle. We need outside an outside shooting forward who defends well. Paul Millsapp is a nice add, an upgrade for Keef, but not at the cost of losing shooters or forcing Oubre to be a first option on offense.

Find trades that bring us a DeMarre Carroll, Trevor Ariza, Khris Middleton. Tough frontcourt options who are smart and can hit the three. They can defend a PF but not get lost on the switch.

Better if we had actually landed Al Horford though, passing, smarts, range, defense and the ability to swing between 4-5.

But we dont improve by swapping out Beal, who is still young, improving while earning more touches. Is he as good as his contract? Not currently. Does he have room to improve? He does. HIs 'clutch' outlook needs work. Sport therapy, hypnotism, near death experience, something, a new baby, a reason why his focus improves when things get more important. But still. He's maintaining his efficiency fairly well considering he also increased his workload. Rather than swap him out I'd rather add shooting behind and next to him so teams can't load up on him as an outside threat. Teams know that with John off the floor all you have to do is double Brad since we have no other options. If we put shooters and attackers around him then we can diversify our offense and get back to that "everybody eats' efficiency, even without Wallstar running things. I liked the Courtney Lee rumor. More minutes for Saty would help. Get me a Nico Batum, even Jeremy Lamb, a Reggie Bullock, a little depth and range at the 2-3 to take pressure off Brad. Get me someone from this list (link) and we're a significantly better team.

Dumping Brad is not the way this front office is likely to go. And I dont think we should anyway. Not for a minor upgrade in defense and less room in the front court. And ZERO improvement in outside gunnery. If this is the squad we got, we need more and better shooting on the exterior to make room for: John, Howard, Saty, Troy Brown, Otto, each of whom has talents but needs room to make them shine.

Agree with some, disagree with some.

Agree that the team isn’t trading Brad (though they should). Agree that MIllsap isn’t the perfect fit, though no perfect fit seems likely to be traded. Agree that I’d rather trade lesser players for Ariza or Gasol than trade Beal.

Disagree about clogging the lane. In the regular season, we need to quicken the pace. Less iso Wall, more defense leading to offense. Please remember the MIllsap that this was written about two years ago (in an article listing him as the second best defensive player in the league):

DRtg: 96

Yet another Atlanta Hawks player makes this list, which tells you why they’re one of the best defensive teams in the NBA and rated No. 1 as a team in DRtg this year. Power forward Paul Millsap has become a good defender the last few years, with his best season coming last year when he lowered his DRtg to 96. With Dwight Howard on the team with him this year, he’s having yet another solid season with a DRtg of 98, averaging 8.1 rebounds and 1.6 steals per game.

Defensively, we’d have Oubre, Porter and Wall (who when called upon, can cover three positions), and the rebounding drives the offense (and creates the spacing you want on the other end). Oubre wouldn’t become a second option, like Beal. Our main options would be first fast break and Dwight slam; them midrange MIllsap; then Wall iso and kick to the shooters. I believe Oubre will develop faster when given the opportunity and responsibility, and the loyalty of making him a core piece. Plus MIllsap can play small center, upgrading from Mahimni (both offensively and defensively), and allowing the others to play more natural positions.

Yes, there are several players I’d like more, but they don’t seem to be available. I understand it won’t happen, because we are marketing Wall/Beal together. I think that’s a mistake. I think the leadership responsibility should be spread to a big. Someone who can create their own shot. Would say more but working selling art at Graceland today. Hope all is well.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#839 » by barelyawake » Tue Sep 4, 2018 4:14 pm

Only one last thing, quickly, people keep not mentioning the pick (from a team that is one injury away, Jokic, from being the worst team in the league — especially if you trade MIllsap with Beal). That said, I get that it ain’t happening (especially given our history of young for old). But, less touches from our sg, means more touches for Otto. And that’s the plus when you take away marketing the “best backcourt in the league.” Anyway...
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI 

Post#840 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 4, 2018 5:00 pm

NatP4 wrote:I say dump Morris for a tube of toothpaste, buyout Austin Rivers and sign D Wade.

Wall Sato
Beal Wade
Oubre Brown Jr
Porter Green
Howard Mahinmi Bryant

The main goal should be to have a nice guard trio of Wall Beal Sato, solid depth at the 5 with Howard Mahinmi and Bryant even, and to just rotate wings around at the 2-4 in brown jr, Oubre, and Porter, some Jeff green as well. Get more 3s up, give Wall more shooters, speed the tempo up, and switch 1-4 on defense.

I wanna see how this team does before blowing it up. I know Brooks is gonna use Rivers over Sato leading to a completely incompetent 2nd unit because of poor lead guard play, Oubre will stuggle again playing with a scrub filled 2nd unit because Brooks starts Morris over him. Mahinmi’s minutes will be randomly jerked around to get Morris more minutes at the 5 (where he is terrible) and of course, continue to waste Otto Porter while Wall and Beal play for personal accolades. Leading to a slightly above .500 frustrating season again.

One more of the grand old veteran trade ideas here - a mid-season idea:

Oubre to Dallas for Dirk and a future 2nd rounder. Give Dirk one last chance at making a playoffs run. Is there really any reason for him to play out another season in Dallas? And figure Oubre's leaving anyway. Who would you rather have in the playoffs - Oubre or Dirk?
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