Political Roundtable Part XXII

[Pointgod]

it's pretty clear that racists are the most deplorable of the 3 by a wide margin.

The other two aren’t even remotely deplorable but remember we have to be nice to racists so false equivalence everyone!

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[I_Like_Dirt]

You guys We have all been brainwashed by the two major parties into believing only they can win and make a difference.

But in local elections, name recognition and funding carries more weight.

I've seen how Ross Perot and Ralph Nader can galvanize support on a national level.

What's stopping someone from doing that on an individual level?

Oh, I think others can win, absolutely. My issue isn't that I think it can't be done. My issue is that it will take more than a single individual. There will need to be many, many people working tirelessly behind the scenes in different ways, changing their habits adding a significant degree of uncertainty to their lives. That's the part of things I have trouble seeing at this point. If people are just comfortable enough and have an enemy or two to focus on, they're willingness to sacrifice for change (and it will absolutely require sacrifice) isn't particularly strong except for maybe on a singular issue here and there, which is where the parties invariably pick up complex voters who have essentially warped themselves into single-issue voters.

And that's where I feel a 3rd party is immaterial. I see Trump as a symptom, not a cause. Likewise, I see the current state of the political parties as a symptom, not a cause. Change has to start with the people, and they don't need a new party to start that change. It wouldn't hurt, but it also wouldn't necessarily be as helpful as people imagine it might be, particularly given the effort that would need to be sunk into getting it off the ground and with no presidency as a realistic option (as you pointed out earlier).

[gtn130]

Nike stock at an all time high. Great job deplorables!

Legit question: Which group are the deplorables again?



The uneducated racists?

The idiot suburban kids buying shoes to piss off their conservative parents?

Or the Nike executives who have effectively commercialized Civil Rights Protest to sell sports gear?

LOL

[dckingsfan]

… Or the Nike executives who have effectively commercialized Civil Rights Protest to sell sports gear?

My sneakers are off to Nike - brilliant move. It does open up an effective way to "sponsor" an event.

Say you are another sneaker company and you have basically zero percent of the market. You could sponsor the other side and suddenly claim 5 or 10%.

Or if you know your demographic as Nike clearly does - you cement you relationship with that group.

This really opens up corporation getting into and benefitting politics as never before.

[TGW]

Ok so Mueller made a deal. When should I expect Trump in handcuffs or the impeachment proceedings?

Asking for a friend.

[Jamaaliver]

Say you are another sneaker company and you have basically zero percent of the market. You could sponsor the other side and suddenly claim 5 or 10%.

Or if you know your demographic as Nike clearly does - you cement you relationship with that group.

This really opens up corporation getting into and benefiting politics as never before.

I just threw up in my mouth a bit.

It's just a matter of time before FILA becomes the official party of the Alt-Right.

Spoiler:

[Wizardspride]

Ok so Mr fueller made a deal. When should I expect Trump in handcuffs or the impeachment proceedings?

Asking for a friend.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Say you are another sneaker company and you have basically zero percent of the market. You could sponsor the other side and suddenly claim 5 or 10%.

Or if you know your demographic as Nike clearly does - you cement you relationship with that group.

This really opens up corporation getting into and benefitting politics as never before.

Given their position as basically the Armani of Russia, I'm going to propose Adidas is well poised to make a move.

As for commercializing the civil rights movement to sell sports gear, this is an NBA message board, after all, and the NBA does that as much as anyone. They even had Donald Sterling celebrating black history month. He did it in March, but he did it nonetheless.

[I_Like_Dirt]

It's just a matter of time before FILA becomes the official party of the Alt-Right.

FILA is just the right brand to eat Papa John's pizza in.

[pancakes3]

while it's possible (and some semblance of a movement) of corporate governance headed towards a more socially responsible manner of operation, i can see how some people are skeptical. even if corporations do in fact change for the better, there will still be an air of suspicion of whether corporate actions are in good faith or just pandering.

me personally, as long as the end result is a positive one, i'm not much for criticizing the motivation.

like, yeah, it'd be amazing if Nike (or the era-appropriate analogue) stood on the side of civil rights in the '50s when it wasn't popular/profitable to do so, but we don't live in that time any more so it's really a moot point.

i'm also skeptical but accepting of the trend towards socially responsible investment funds. it shows that a focus for bottom-line dollars is not the end-all be-all defining metric of success and that's a heartening trend.

[Jamaaliver]

Inevitable outcome: If Democrats win the House this Fall. Impeachment process begins.

Donald resigns from presidency to 'heal the nation despite the disgraceful witch hunt'.

Pence pardons Trump and completes his Frank Underwood style ascension to the Presidency.

Manafort is cooperating with Mueller. 8 legal experts explain what that means for Trump.

Spoiler alert: it’s not good.



Jed Shugerman, law professor, Fordham University

It’s important that Mueller has continued to make sure that a presidential pardon won’t save Manafort. Manafort is pleading guilty to only two charges — conspiracy and witness tampering — but he is conceding to the other facts in the “criminal information,” which establish money laundering and mention the money laundering statute. So Manafort would still face slam-dunk state charges for money laundering, bank fraud, state tax fraud, and other crimes if he were to receive a presidential pardon (which affects only federal crimes).


Ric Simmons, law professor, Ohio State University

Unlike the earlier convictions for tax evasions, these guilty pleas to charges such as conspiracy against the United States and conspiracy to obstruct justice relate to the core of Mueller’s investigation.

It also seems likely that pardoning Manafort at this point would be a significant political problem for the president. The fact that Manafort was convicted of the earlier charges at trial show that the case against him is not a “witch hunt,” and the fact that Manafort is now cooperating with Mueller will make any pardon seem like a cover-up.

VOX

[JWizmentality]

Nike stock at an all time high. Great job deplorables!

Legit question: Which group are the deplorables again?



The uneducated racists?

The idiot suburban kids buying shoes to piss off their conservative parents?

Or the Nike executives who have effectively commercialized Civil Rights Protest to sell sports gear?

All of the above.

[stilldropin20]

Inevitable outcome: If Democrats win the House this Fall. Impeachment process begins.

Donald resigns from presidency to 'heal the nation despite the disgraceful witch hunt'.

Pence pardons Trump and completes his Frank Underwood style ascension to the Presidency.

Manafort is cooperating with Mueller. 8 legal experts explain what that means for Trump.

Spoiler alert: it’s not good.



Jed Shugerman, law professor, Fordham University

It’s important that Mueller has continued to make sure that a presidential pardon won’t save Manafort. Manafort is pleading guilty to only two charges — conspiracy and witness tampering — but he is conceding to the other facts in the “criminal information,” which establish money laundering and mention the money laundering statute. So Manafort would still face slam-dunk state charges for money laundering, bank fraud, state tax fraud, and other crimes if he were to receive a presidential pardon (which affects only federal crimes).


Ric Simmons, law professor, Ohio State University

Unlike the earlier convictions for tax evasions, these guilty pleas to charges such as conspiracy against the United States and conspiracy to obstruct justice relate to the core of Mueller’s investigation.

It also seems likely that pardoning Manafort at this point would be a significant political problem for the president. The fact that Manafort was convicted of the earlier charges at trial show that the case against him is not a “witch hunt,” and the fact that Manafort is now cooperating with Mueller will make any pardon seem like a cover-up.

VOX

^^ . this is what ive been saying for 2 years...the best you get is pence. PENCE!!!!

Pence will not further inspire the economy but it will likely hum along for another 2 years for pence to run on and win. Pence Will not inspire anything quite frankly. The left will feel that it already won and likely sit home in 2020.

But Pence wont stick his foot in his mouth on the daily so the left will calm down, pull their panties out of their collective crotch and take a chill pill. the overall political temprature will come down. divineness will ease.<--all of which will lead to a body politic that doesn't care about as much about following politics anymore. The greatest reality show on earth will cease to exist...AKA...80% of you (and me) will go back to sleep and keep getting robbed by big corporations in our slumber. Globalism will go back into full effect. jobs will get shipped overseas. Overall real wages will stagnate again. But Costs will increase due to organized labor keeping wages high specifically for police, fire, teachers, construction and shipping. they get raises and massive retirements while the rest of america can afford a crappy apartment. The rich will always get richer.

and thats where we are headed if trump is impeached.

Now I highly doubt he resigns nor is impeached. Best case scenario for all of us is that Don Sr. steps aside in 2020...says, "eff this crap"...but needs an ally behind him in office to clean up the stench of the witch hunt...so Ivanka primaries Pence in 2020 and wins it all. First female president. She furthers the nationalistic american first trump agenda with modifications to the social platform so the left can keep their panties from permanently being lodged deep in their crotches.

For now, We need to stay the course on trade and tax reform:

1. keep bring jobs back.
2. keep immigration of unskilled labor very low to minimal.
3. Which should make wages rise.
4. further tweak tax reform so that the working poor and middle-upper middle class keeps more and more of their money.
5. repatriate more and more businesses and corporate income.
6. less and less tax carve outs and loopholes in the tax system for the upper class and especiually the elites.
7. punish corps, non profits, trusts, and wealthy individual for moving their money overseas. harsh penalties!!
8. Once we got 'em? Then tax them...raise taxes on the wealthy...corporate and other. harsh penalties if they move their wealth overseas.

^^All equality is born from financial equality. It all come down to money. And its clearly more complex i detail above but this is the only road to financial equality. As many have said, the system is so broken is feels like its completely broken and definitely too broken to fix at once...no single candidate can come along and fix this in any given 2 terms. This will take decades if not a century.

We must:

1. repatriate corporate, trust, and non profit money and income.
2. Then we tax it.

To repatriate it:
1. We must use honey in the form of lower taxes and safer more secure and better performing markets.

For our markets to perform better:
1. We must (essentially) crush foreign markets.

To keep it here we must:
1. harshly penalize the wealth if it is removed (once it is recaptured in our markets).

Once its here...and most of it is here in the US markets?
1. tax it. and tax it harshly.

[Pointgod]

Lol **** amateurs hour with these idiots.

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[stilldropin20]

you just cant make this stuff up anymore...and you guys wonder who is the divisive presence? Donald trump you say?

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[stilldropin20]

Nike stock at an all time high. Great job deplorables!

Legit question: Which group are the deplorables again?



The uneducated racists?

The idiot suburban kids buying shoes to piss off their conservative parents?

Or the Nike executives who have effectively commercialized Civil Rights Protest to sell sports gear?

All of the above.

and what about the people who cry, "racist" when people simply disagree on issues and no racism is occurring....not even in the slightest. What do we do with those people? Where do they fall?

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