Political Roundtable Part XXIX

Post #821 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:58 pm

Rand Paul is yet another Republican who should be prosecuted - for violating whistleblower protection laws. He did it on the Senate floor https://www.insider.com/rand-paul-just-revealed-the-alleged-whistleblowers-identity-2020-2 , he's tried to bully the media to do it for him at the embarrassingly moronic Trump rallies for morons. And Rand Paul is the biggest phony in the Republican party. At least most of the Senate Republicans are up front with their complete worthlessness.

bsilver · Post #822 » by **bsilver** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:20 pm

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I'm surprised Trump hasn't pardoned Manafort. Maybe coming soon.

Wizardspride · Post #823 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:24 pm

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Post #824 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:29 pm

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And that's a quid pro quo for Flynn's loyalty to Trump over loyalty to country. It's sickening.

Wizardspride · Post #825 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:44 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:

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And that's a quid pro quo for Flynn's loyalty to Trump over loyalty to country. It's sickening.

And if the reports are accurate, more are coming....

Post #826 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:53 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
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And that's a quid pro quo for Flynn's loyalty to Trump over loyalty to country. It's sickening.

And if the reports are accurate, more are coming....

And these pardons aren't just for loyalty to trump over America, they're to BUY future loyalty - so these criminals don't rip Trump in the books they'll eventually write.

Wizardspride · Post #827 » by **Wizardspride** » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:26 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:
Ruzious wrote:And that's a quid pro quo for Flynn's loyalty to Trump over loyalty to country. It's sickening.

And if the reports are accurate, more are coming....

And these pardons aren't just for loyalty to trump over America, they're to BUY future loyalty - so these criminals don't rip Trump in the books they'll eventually write.

Exactly

Post #828 » by **Zonkerbl** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:04 am

According to some lawyers I just saw on msnbc, you can't claim the 5th amendment when you've been pardoned. Flynn can be forced to testify against trump now. Trump has to pardon himself now and its not clear he can.

I mean, he probably will, but it probably won't hold up, unless he gets a super friendly judge. If I were him I'd try it - he's gotten away with everything so far.

doclinkin · Post #829 » by **doclinkin** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:13 am

And you can't proactively pardon yourself in advance. There are charges that have not yet been filed since he is still in office. Mueller specifically said there are things that can be prosecuted when Trump is no longer under the protection of the presidency.

Post #830 » by **Zonkerbl** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:12 pm

doclinkin wrote:And you can't proactively pardon yourself in advance. There are charges that have not yet been filed since he is still in office. Mueller specifically said there are things that can be prosecuted when Trump is no longer under the protection of the presidency.

That's not true - you can pardon yourself for all crimes you've committed in the past. If I understand correctly? Pardon doesn't apply to future crimes, but is applicable to future investigations into your past crimes.

Post #831 » by **Zonkerbl** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:13 pm

I am thankful for my mom moving back to Ohio where I can visit her. Thankful for my wife, and my kids, and my cats. Thankful for new days and old friends.

doclinkin · Post #832 » by **doclinkin** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:14 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:
doclinkin wrote:And you can't proactively pardon yourself in advance. There are charges that have not yet been filed since he is still in office. Mueller specifically said there are things that can be prosecuted when Trump is no longer under the protection of the presidency.

That's not true - you can pardon yourself for all crimes you've committed in the past. If I understand correctly? Pardon doesn't apply to future crimes, but is applicable to future investigations into your past crimes.

Hmm. Reading deeper, I guess you can be pardoned for crimes not yet charged as Ford did for Nixon. Still there are charges waiting for Trump that are not Federal crimes, thus he can't pardon himself in New York for instance. Hm. But yeah 100% chance he declares himself "pardoned for all federal crimes discovered and undiscovered, past and future, no you missed, no it bounced off me, nuh uhh no way because I have a forcefield, la la la I'm not listening". Including granting relief from any IRS penalties if he can get away with it. Which seems to me was probably one of the key reasons he ran for president, behind ego. But damn. Interesting. Another reason to flip those Georgia seats and pack the courts.

Pointgod · Post #833 » by **Pointgod** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:24 pm

doclinkin wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:
doclinkin wrote:And you can't proactively pardon yourself in advance. There are charges that have not yet been filed since he is still in office. Mueller specifically said there are things that can be prosecuted when Trump is no longer under the protection of the presidency.

That's not true - you can pardon yourself for all crimes you've committed in the past. If I understand correctly? Pardon doesn't apply to future crimes, but is applicable to future investigations into your past crimes.

Hmm. Reading deeper, I guess you can be pardoned for crimes not yet charged as Ford did for Nixon. Still there are charges waiting for Trump that are not Federal crimes, thus he can't pardon himself in New York for instance. Hm. But yeah 100% chance he declares himself "pardoned for all federal crimes discovered and undiscovered, past and future, no you missed, no it bounced off me, nuh uhh no way because I have a forcefield, la la la I'm not listening". Including granting relief from any IRS penalties if he can get away with it. Which seems to me was probably one of the key reasons he ran for president, behind ego. But damn. Interesting. Another reason to flip those Georgia seats and pack the courts.

He can pardon himself but it would end up in the Supreme Court to determine whether it can stand legally. He’s **** when it comes to state investigation but it will be interesting to see the Magats try to mental gymnastics their way out of Trump pardoning himself for crimes.

dckingsfan · Post #834 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:44 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:I am thankful for my mom moving back to Ohio where I can visit her. Thankful for my wife, and my kids, and my cats. Thankful for new days and old friends.

Thankful for those healthcare workers working over the holiday. Thankful that Trump is on the way out. Thankful for the Boston Cream Pie in the refrigerator.

FAH1223 · Post #835 » by **FAH1223** » Thu Nov 26, 2020 5:50 pm

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Hmm

Wizardspride · Post #836 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:26 am

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Pointgod · Post #837 » by **Pointgod** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:02 pm

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I legit thought this was about Barr dying

Post #838 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:20 pm

FAH1223 wrote:

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Hmm

Fascinating. I'll want to hear what the scholars conclude on it. It's time for Dems to be a lot more aggressive, and this could provide a path to do so.

FAH1223 · Post #839 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:

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Hmm

Fascinating. I'll want to hear what the scholars conclude on it. It's time for Dems to be a lot more aggressive, and this could provide a path to do so.

Yeah. Cause the prospect of McConnell not letting anything hit the floor is very real. It’s so ridiculous.

I wish we had a parliamentary system.

Wizardspride · Post #840 » by **Wizardspride** » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:51 pm

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