Political Roundtable Part XXXI

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Timeline refresher

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Why would you only punch one?

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[dobrojim]

Nice column by J Rubin online in WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/30/trump-lawyers-crime-fraud-exception/

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter found in a case concerning the Jan. 6 committee’s subpoena of attorney John Eastman’s emails that while some materials might be protected, “the crime-fraud exception applies when (1) a ‘client consults an attorney for advice that will serve [them] in the commission of a fraud or crime,’ and (2) the communications are ‘sufficiently related to’ and were made ‘in furtherance of’ the crime.”

Carter added: “It is irrelevant whether the attorney was aware of the illegal purpose or whether the scheme was ultimately successful. The exception extinguishes both the attorney-client privilege and the work product doctrine.”

PS earlier on she made the following observation

In the case of former president Donald Trump, we may soon get a treatise on the crime-fraud exception, as the matter is poised to come up in a shockingly large number of instances.

[Wizardspride]

To be a Republican voter you have to ignore (or embrace) **** like this.

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[dobrojim]

from the letters in response to Rubin column

MAGA = Making Attorneys Get Attorneys

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Nice column by J Rubin online in WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/30/trump-lawyers-crime-fraud-exception/

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter found in a case concerning the Jan. 6 committee’s subpoena of attorney John Eastman’s emails that while some materials might be protected, “the crime-fraud exception applies when (1) a ‘client consults an attorney for advice that will serve [them] in the commission of a fraud or crime,’ and (2) the communications are ‘sufficiently related to’ and were made ‘in furtherance of’ the crime.”

Carter added: “It is irrelevant whether the attorney was aware of the illegal purpose or whether the scheme was ultimately successful. The exception extinguishes both the attorney-client privilege and the work product doctrine.”

PS earlier on she made the following observation

In the case of former president Donald Trump, we may soon get a treatise on the crime-fraud exception, as the matter is poised to come up in a shockingly large number of instances.

I'd bet the Supremes would like to bundle the issue if they could, or elevate one very quickly so they could carve out a one-time exception, and claim it sets no precedence. As they did with the hanging chad debacle.

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I hope you're right. If Trump has been selling US secrets over whatsapp to Putin since 2017 my head may explode. I wouldn't put it past him.

Although as Mueller established, Trump and his family are just too dumb to pull anything off that requires that level of intelligence. Probably if Trump had been selling secrets to Putin he'd have admitted it by now. "What's the big deal? He's a friend of mine, he asked for a list of CIA agents in Russia, I gave it to him, bada bing bada boom"

[dobrojim]

Nice column by J Rubin online in WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/08/30/trump-lawyers-crime-fraud-exception/

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter found in a case concerning the Jan. 6 committee’s subpoena of attorney John Eastman’s emails that while some materials might be protected, “the crime-fraud exception applies when (1) a ‘client consults an attorney for advice that will serve [them] in the commission of a fraud or crime,’ and (2) the communications are ‘sufficiently related to’ and were made ‘in furtherance of’ the crime.”

Carter added: “It is irrelevant whether the attorney was aware of the illegal purpose or whether the scheme was ultimately successful. The exception extinguishes both the attorney-client privilege and the work product doctrine.”

PS earlier on she made the following observation

In the case of former president Donald Trump, we may soon get a treatise on the crime-fraud exception, as the matter is poised to come up in a shockingly large number of instances.

I'd bet the Supremes would like to bundle the issue if they could, or elevate one very quickly so they could carve out a one-time exception, and claim it sets no precedence. As they did with the hanging chad debacle.

I would not put anything past them. That said, in the other comments, someone mentioned
that it's black letter law (the crime-fraud exception). PS Does Alito play the role of Diana Ross?
(an old work colleague of mine would reliably say when Diana Ross' name was mentioned
"she's not a nice person").

[Pointgod]

Abortion is going to kill the **** Republicans. Democrats need to keep hammering these psychos, they’re already turning tail.

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I'd bet the Supremes would like to bundle the issue if they could, or elevate one very quickly so they could carve out a one-time exception, and claim it sets no precedence. As they did with the hanging chad debacle.

I would not put anything past them. That said, in the other comments, someone mentioned
that it's black letter law (the crime-fraud exception).

Sure, and Roe was "Settled law" according to each of the candidates the Repugnicans put forward for the Court. 50 years settled.

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I'd bet the Supremes would like to bundle the issue if they could, or elevate one very quickly so they could carve out a one-time exception, and claim it sets no precedence. As they did with the hanging chad debacle.

I would not put anything past them. That said, in the other comments, someone mentioned
that it's black letter law (the crime-fraud exception).

Sure, and Roe was "Settled law" according to each of the candidates the Repugnicans put forward for the Court. 50 years settled.

I mean, the more absurd rulings they issue, the more clamor there will be for the SCOTUS to be expanded. Bring it on mfers

If they rule that Congress cannot delegate regulating authority to the executive branch, in a single stroke abolishing the EPA, OSHA, FAA, and basically all regulatory agencies, then of course the court will have to be expanded, because that would be just utter chaos

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This sure reads like there were specific classified documents missing that NARA and the FBI were extremely concerned about, and when Trump didn't turn them over in the original 15 boxes they entered 100% freak out mode. I am, honestly, a little terrified to find out what exactly was Trump holding on to that led to this level of risk taking by the DOJ. (actual DOJ filing is embedded in the article)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/31/trump-documents-removed-storage-room/

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This sure reads like there were specific classified documents missing that NARA and the FBI were extremely concerned about, and when Trump didn't turn them over in the original 15 boxes they entered 100% freak out mode. I am, honestly, a little terrified to find out what exactly was Trump holding on to that led to this level of risk taking by the DOJ. (actual DOJ filing is embedded in the article)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/31/trump-documents-removed-storage-room/

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This seems kind of bad. Wonder where all the security experts that wanted to lock up Hillary went to.

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omg Trump sycophants out there claiming the photo of the classified docs was staged. Yes it was very artistically and pleasingly laid out, I object

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Remember when I got yelled at here for calling Trump supporters "patsies"? I long for those days. The worst crime I suspected Trump of was colluding with the rooskies to get elected

[montestewart]

Remember when I got yelled at here for calling Trump supporters "patsies"? I long for those days. The worst crime I suspected Trump of was colluding with the rooskies to get elected

If they ever find that golden showers tape, this will all have been worth it. They should show it on all channels at once, like the State of the Union address, right after Lindsey Graham warns that if the tape is broadcast, the streets will run yellow with urine.

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This sure reads like there were specific classified documents missing that NARA and the FBI were extremely concerned about, and when Trump didn't turn them over in the original 15 boxes they entered 100% freak out mode. I am, honestly, a little terrified to find out what exactly was Trump holding on to that led to this level of risk taking by the DOJ. (actual DOJ filing is embedded in the article)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/31/trump-documents-removed-storage-room/

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Each freakout begot another freakout

1) Delays in returning the documents
2) Trump being cagey about the whereabouts of the documents
3) The initial 15 boxes being postmarked from Mar-a-Lago, which is not a secure location (idk where they were expecting it to come from)
4) The initial 15 boxes not containing all of the outstanding documents
5) Raiding Mar-a-Lago and seeing how docs were being stored
6) Documents still missing after the FBI raid

omg Trump sycophants out there claiming the photo of the classified docs was staged. Yes it was very artistically and pleasingly laid out, I object

lol, def saw your comment on Popehat's account.

[Pointgod]

Remember when I got yelled at here for calling Trump supporters "patsies"? I long for those days. The worst crime I suspected Trump of was colluding with the rooskies to get elected

If they ever find that golden showers tape, this will all have been worth it. They should show it on all channels at once, like the State of the Union address, right after Lindsey Graham warns that if the tape is broadcast, the streets will run yellow with urine.[/quote]

Don’t give Trumpers any ideas. They’ll piss themselves to own the Libs.

[dobrojim]

Abortion is going to kill the **** Republicans. Democrats need to keep hammering these psychos, they’re already turning tail.

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I'm not sure why we (Omar Rivero) bother to use the adj shameless anymore as if it were
something new or unique when used to describe GOP behavior. The list of shameless
things they've done since basically Newt and the Contract on America could fill a
book. Oh wait, Dana Milbank already proved that.

[dobrojim]

Remember when I got yelled at here for calling Trump supporters "patsies"? I long for those days. The worst crime I suspected Trump of was colluding with the rooskies to get elected

If they ever find that golden showers tape, this will all have been worth it. They should show it on all channels at once, like the State of the Union address, right after Lindsey Graham warns that if the tape is broadcast, the streets will run yellow with urine.

FWIW, that by itself should have been bad enough. What makes it all the more galling is for
them to believe America First rhetoric.