Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

[dckingsfan]

It won't be Sac (IMO). They have Barnes and Murray with Lyles coming off the bench.

What they really need is a C. They would be extremely happy with Yves Missi (or maybe Filipowski) if he falls to 16, IMO.

Maybe if you could find a three-team deal where they get the C they want to back up Sabonis?

And OKC tends to hold onto their picks (because... well, they are pretty good at selecting talent in the draft).

I still think our best chance (and it is slim) is with Portland. But there has to be a guy they really want with #2.

My dream for this draft is that Portland wants Clingan and trades us #9 and a protected 2025 pick for our #2. I think one of Castle Reed or Holland will be there at 9

Portland has 7 & 14 -- 9 belongs to Memphis.

My "dream" is Portland's 2 R1 picks (7 & 14) & their 2 R2 picks (34 & 40) for our 3 picks (2, 26, & 51).

I don't know whether Sheppard will still be on the board at 7. I seem to want 1 more bite of the apple.

yep, I think one of Sheppard, Topic or Castle will be on the board at 7. If you could then pickup Missi at 14 - well that wouldn't be too bad.

Then you have the two picks in the second round. That would feel like playing with house money.

It will be interesting what the FO will do (and if Portland's "guy" is there at #2). IF they have talks on this - my guess is it would be announced either right before the Wizards pick or right before the 7th pick. Makes for an interesting draft night.

[Silvie Lysandra]

Trade idea:

Wizards trade:
#2, Kuzma, Davis

Thunder trade:
Giddey, #12, Dort, Kenrich Williams, MIA 2025 (or OKC 2025 if MIA doesn't convert)

Why for the Thunder?

Kuzma offers size, length, experience and secondary ballhandling, and #2 offers them an opportunity to "reset" in terms of prospect fit.

Why for the Wizards?
#12 isn't the worst place to pick in this draft, Giddey is still a very good prospect who might shine as primary ballhandler, and it pushes draft value to 2025.

[closg00]

Kuz fits with the Grizz

But Memphis is going to use that 9th pick

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Just keeps climbing higher and higher

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Trade idea:

Wizards trade:
#2, Kuzma, Davis

Thunder trade:
Giddey, #12, Dort, Kenrich Williams, MIA 2025 (or OKC 2025 if MIA doesn't convert)

Why for the Thunder?

Kuzma offers size, length, experience and secondary ballhandling, and #2 offers them an opportunity to "reset" in terms of prospect fit.

Why for the Wizards?
#12 isn't the worst place to pick in this draft, Giddey is still a very good prospect who might shine as primary ballhandler, and it pushes draft value to 2025.

Creative -- & I'd love it. But... I can't see OKC giving that much. & in any case we'd want to move Dort along & Kenrich Williams too (though he's one of my favorite NBA success stories: undrafted in '18 & has been a productive bench guy ever since).

Still... an interesting idea!

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Has Kuzma + #2 to the Spurs for #4 & 8 been discussed? Anyone think that could be feasible?

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Has Kuzma + #2 to the Spurs for #4 & 8 been discussed? Anyone think that could be feasible?

Do we have any reason to think the Spurs would want Kuzma? I.e. given that, like us, they are engaged in a complete rebuild?

If so, I'd do it. Essentially that trade seems to value Kuzma something like a mid-round ! pick. I.e. I would view 2 & 15 for 4 & 8 as a fair exchange, so that in your proposed trade Kuz takes the place of 15.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Has Kuzma + #2 to the Spurs for #4 & 8 been discussed? Anyone think that could be feasible?

Do we have any reason to think the Spurs would want Kuzma? I.e. given that, like us, they are engaged in a complete rebuild?

If so, I'd do it. Essentially that trade seems to value Kuzma something like a mid-round ! pick. I.e. I would view 2 & 15 for 4 & 8 as a fair exchange, so that in your proposed trade Kuz takes the place of 15.

Well there's talk about the Spurs desire to acquire some vets, they want to start pushing for the playoffs with Wembanyama. This move would help them on both levels. They get a Kuzma in his prime for a win now push, while moving up to 2 for the prospect they covet.

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Has Kuzma + #2 to the Spurs for #4 & 8 been discussed? Anyone think that could be feasible?

Do we have any reason to think the Spurs would want Kuzma? I.e. given that, like us, they are engaged in a complete rebuild?

If so, I'd do it. Essentially that trade seems to value Kuzma something like a mid-round ! pick. I.e. I would view 2 & 15 for 4 & 8 as a fair exchange, so that in your proposed trade Kuz takes the place of 15.

Well there's talk about the Spurs desire to acquire some vets, they want to start pushing for the playoffs with Wembanyama. This move would help them on both levels. They get a Kuzma in his prime for a win now push, while moving up to 2 for the prospect they covet.

It'd be a dream come true!
(Alas, however, they usually don't...)

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How about Kuz & 2 for the Blazers 4 picks (7, 14, 34 & 40). With 26 & 51, that'd be 6 rookies! Love it!

[9 and 20]

Kuz and 2 for Jaden Ivey and 5. Not sure they'd do Jalen Duren and 5 for Kuz and 2 but I might do that too.

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Kuz and 2 for Jaden Ivey and 5. Not sure they'd do Jalen Duren and 5 for Kuz and 2 but I might do that too.

"Might"...? I'd do the Duren version of your trade as quickly as possible -- great!

I have no interest in Ivey, however. In 2 years, he's shown nothing. Not writing him off; just don't want that particular risk.

[9 and 20]

If the Pistons want Kuz, I'd swap him for any of their young guys - Duren, Ivey, or Ausar Thompson. Would trade down to 5 to make it happen. Doubt the Pistons would do it though.

Knicks maybe? They have several picks over the next few years. Most are late picks.

Memphis for 9 would be great but I have to think they could get a better player than Kuz for that pick.

[NatP4]

S&T Tyus to Minnesota for #27 just makes way too much sense.

Minny is about to be in cap hell for the next 5 years. Will desperately need a Conley replacement/starting PG this offseason.

Also like these options:

Orlando for #21 (although Orlando has cap space)

NOP for Dyson Daniels

Plenty of potential S&T landing spots for Tyus.

[Dat2U]

Kuz and 2 for Jaden Ivey and 5. Not sure they'd do Jalen Duren and 5 for Kuz and 2 but I might do that too.

"Might"...? I'd do the Duren version of your trade as quickly as possible -- great!

I have no interest in Ivey, however. In 2 years, he's shown nothing. Not writing him off; just don't want that particular risk.

I'd go just the opposite. Duren while improving his offensive skillset is still a sieve on defense, failing to show any growth on that end. So much so that there's serious consideration for Donovan Clingan being the Pistons pick this year.

Ivey has improved significantly from his first year IMO where he went from one the worst players in the league to mediocre with flashes of high level play. I also note the situation he's in looking at the fit next to Cade and believe he could flourish elsewhere.

[nate33]

S&T Tyus to Minnesota for #27 just makes way too much sense.

Minny is about to be in cap hell for the next 5 years. Will desperately need a Conley replacement/starting PG this offseason.

Also like these options:

Orlando for #21 (although Orlando has cap space)

NOP for Dyson Daniels

Plenty of potential S&T landing spots for Tyus.

Nobody is giving up that much for Tyus.

[Jkam31]

Which playoff team is most-likely to want Kuzma? OKC and the Kings could be good targets,12th & 13th picks.

It won't be Sac (IMO). They have Barnes and Murray with Lyles coming off the bench.

What they really need is a C. They would be extremely happy with Yves Missi (or maybe Filipowski) if he falls to 16, IMO.

Maybe if you could find a three-team deal where they get the C they want to back up Sabonis?

And OKC tends to hold onto their picks (because... well, they are pretty good at selecting talent in the draft).

I still think our best chance (and it is slim) is with Portland. But there has to be a guy they really want with #2.

We don’t need a center we could just resign Len or more thank likely Try Lyles is the backup center. Kuzma would fit especially considering I think monk will get a big deal from someone. Kuzma would allow us to bring Barnes off the bench where he belongs while getting more size if the deal could be Huerter, Mitchell, and 13 for kuzma

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S&T Tyus to Minnesota for #27 just makes way too much sense.

Minny is about to be in cap hell for the next 5 years. Will desperately need a Conley replacement/starting PG this offseason.

Also like these options:

Orlando for #21 (although Orlando has cap space)

NOP for Dyson Daniels

Plenty of potential S&T landing spots for Tyus.

Can we do a sign and trade deal before the draft? I.e. to bring us that draft pick?

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...if the deal could be Huerter, Mitchell, and 13 for kuzma

Make that Keon Ellis instead of Mitchell & I'm all over it!

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Kuz and 2 for Jaden Ivey and 5. Not sure they'd do Jalen Duren and 5 for Kuz and 2 but I might do that too.

"Might"...? I'd do the Duren version of your trade as quickly as possible -- great!

I have no interest in Ivey, however. In 2 years, he's shown nothing. Not writing him off; just don't want that particular risk.

I'd go just the opposite. Duren while improving his offensive skillset is still a sieve on defense, failing to show any growth on that end. So much so that there's serious consideration for Donovan Clingan being the Pistons pick this year.

Ivey has improved significantly from his first year IMO where he went from one the worst players in the league to mediocre with flashes of high level play. I also note the situation he's in looking at the fit next to Cade and believe he could flourish elsewhere.

In fairness, I didn't see much of Ivey this season; on the numbers he was just slightly better than his awful rookie season.

Didn't see much of Duren either. Still, if I'm thinking about potential improvement, I'd go with Duren all the same. He's almost 2 years younger than Ivey.

[Jkam31]

...if the deal could be Huerter, Mitchell, and 13 for kuzma

Make that Keon Ellis instead of Mitchell & I'm all over it!

Zero chance ellis is traded for Kuzma let alone adding assets. He’s the perfect fit with Fox/Sabonis and is just getting started doubt he’s traded for anything less then an all star