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Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#841 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 21, 2013 5:24 am

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pancakes3 wrote:I think the board having 3-4 first round guys and 3-4 second round guys targeted reinforces the idea that this year is a deep draft. I can only imagine next year's draft to be even more of the same, making draft picks all the more valuable. If there's anyway we can firesale our busts (Ves, Seraphin, Singleton) for even 2nd rounders in next year's draft it'll be worth it.

More likely is we firesale our second round picks for cash.


Yes. One thing I've learned over the years on draft night is that at the last minute EG/Ted will pull the football away just like Lucy does Linus right before he tries to kick it.

They lack imagination and tend to take the most unimaginative, uninspiring, most myopic way out. They say young guys can't play and round two picks don't make a roster. Their minds are dull. They got lucky with Beal.

I don't think they'll come anywhwere near close to doing as well as most here hope they will on draft night. I expect Alex Len and not another pick.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#842 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 21, 2013 5:26 am

TGW wrote:Rather have Dieng than Adams...I'm not buying the Adams hype at all.


Adams could end up reminding of the Adams family butler, Lurch. I am not buying the hype at all, either.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#843 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 21, 2013 5:28 am

mhd wrote:Looks like EG has no plans on drafting 3 players:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wi ... story.html

"“I don’t think we want to have three rookies on the roster next year. We’ll see what we do with those second-round picks and how they could become an asset. Maybe package them to move up a little bit,” Grunfeld said. “Most years there is some movement. I’m sure there will be a lot of discussion, a lot of speculation, a lot of rumors flying, but we feel comfortable wherever we end up that we’ll be able to find somebody to help us and do some things for us.”"

So, he'll hang onto Vesely, but won't take a flyer on potential contributors with the 2nd round picks?


STUPID man. You wouldn't want Bird, Magic, and MJ because they are rookies.

CJM may be better than Beal.

Ernie is a dolt and Ted Leonsis is the master enabler.

I can name 10-15 prospect better than ANY player on a rookie deal on this team. This GM is sorry and so is the owner for having him.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#844 » by Ruzious » Tue May 21, 2013 5:28 am

hands11 wrote:http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jackie-Carmichael-19449/

Man, I wish Kevin S would play like this.

Carmichael does sound like an underrated prospect - possibly fitting in as an Amir Johnson type of player in the NBA.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#845 » by Ruzious » Tue May 21, 2013 5:53 am

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mhd wrote:Looks like EG has no plans on drafting 3 players:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wi ... story.html

"“I don’t think we want to have three rookies on the roster next year. We’ll see what we do with those second-round picks and how they could become an asset. Maybe package them to move up a little bit,” Grunfeld said. “Most years there is some movement. I’m sure there will be a lot of discussion, a lot of speculation, a lot of rumors flying, but we feel comfortable wherever we end up that we’ll be able to find somebody to help us and do some things for us.”"

So, he'll hang onto Vesely, but won't take a flyer on potential contributors with the 2nd round picks?


STUPID man. You wouldn't want Bird, Magic, and MJ because they are rookies.

CJM may be better than Beal.

Ernie is a dolt and Ted Leonsis is the master enabler.

I can name 10-15 prospect better than ANY player on a rookie deal on this team. This GM is sorry and so is the owner for having him.

I totally agree with you, CCJ. Him saying he doesn't want 3 rookies is the last straw. If he does something like sell another pick and screws up the other picks again, I might just take the year off as a Washington fan - something I haven't done since becoming a Bullets fan over 40 years ago. At some point, the frustration isn't worth it, anymore - and I get the feeling that point is coming soon.

One of the problems with keeping EG (other than general incompetence and lack of vision) is that he's married to keeping his mistakes - rather than replacing them with rookies with more talent. This team has no quality depth. They show that every year - year after f'n year. That's mainly because they've used the draft so poorly - and they still have the same guy running the draft, making the trades, signing players, running the organization into the Ass's biggest loser in the last 5 years.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#846 » by montestewart » Tue May 21, 2013 5:54 am

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mhd wrote:Looks like EG has no plans on drafting 3 players:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wi ... story.html

"“I don’t think we want to have three rookies on the roster next year. We’ll see what we do with those second-round picks and how they could become an asset. Maybe package them to move up a little bit,” Grunfeld said. “Most years there is some movement. I’m sure there will be a lot of discussion, a lot of speculation, a lot of rumors flying, but we feel comfortable wherever we end up that we’ll be able to find somebody to help us and do some things for us.”"

So, he'll hang onto Vesely, but won't take a flyer on potential contributors with the 2nd round picks?


STUPID man. You wouldn't want Bird, Magic, and MJ because they are rookies.

CJM may be better than Beal.

Ernie is a dolt and Ted Leonsis is the master enabler.

I can name 10-15 prospect better than ANY player on a rookie deal on this team. This GM is sorry and so is the owner for having him.

Denial is a river at Verizon Center. Vesely and Singleton are not going to be part of the long term equation and don't win games in the short term. Seraphin is almost there too, and Booker, much as I like him, seems a little limited and prone to injury. If rookies displaced any of those players, so what? If rookies challenge Temple and Price for backcourt minutes, so what? Keep bringing players in, looking for a keeper to go with Wall and Beal, the only real keepers on the team.

The turnip quiche tastes like crap, and so does the celery cake, but EG keeps them on the menu because it's not a good idea to add too many new offerings at once. What an incredible lack of vision.

But really CCJ, are you saying you can name 10-15 prospects in this draft who are better than Wall or Beal? I know you occasionally employ hyperbole, but maybe I just misunderstood.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#847 » by nuposse04 » Tue May 21, 2013 6:28 am

If he can swap 2nds for next year 2nds I'd be down with that. I don't think you're going to find anyone worth a damn beyond #40 in this draft. If he unloads one 2nd it won't be the end of the world, but the FO needs to start putting pressure on the rookie contract players. They're being quite the enablers in allowing their mediocre ways.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#848 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 21, 2013 6:41 am

montestewart wrote:Denial is a river at Verizon Center. Vesely and Singleton are not going to be part of the long term equation and don't win games in the short term. Seraphin is almost there too, and Booker, much as I like him, seems a little limited and prone to injury. If rookies displaced any of those players, so what? If rookies challenge Temple and Price for backcourt minutes, so what? Keep bringing players in, looking for a keeper to go with Wall and Beal, the only real keepers on the team.

The turnip quiche tastes like crap, and so does the celery cake, but EG keeps them on the menu because it's not a good idea to add too many new offerings at once. What an incredible lack of vision.

But really CCJ, are you saying you can name 10-15 prospects in this draft who are better than Wall or Beal? I know you occasionally employ hyperbole, but maybe I just misunderstood.


No. I was not thinking of Wall and Beal. I misspoke.

I can think of better players than Vesely and Singleton at 55, and much better with the earlier round two pick. There are at least 20 players better than Booker to choose first. Several bigs seem better prospects to me than Seraphin.

monte, a smarter GM would look at a grinder like Jackie Carmicheal, or Colton Iverson, or Juvonte Reddic and say they can step in and play without timidity like Vesely. They can rebound and not shot jack in ways that hurt a team like Seraphin. There are guys like DJ Stephens who can step in and defend SF better than Singleton or Vesely, players this foolish GM drafted to play SF. I would wager decent money that Zeke Marshall, a player who might be on the board at 55, is better than Jan Vesely.

EG is an idiot to say he doesn't want three rookies. GS advanced past Denver starting Barnes, also starting Ezeli most of the season (ahead of Biedrins when Bogut was out injured), and in the playoffs they played Draymond Greem significant minutes. Klay Thompson has started each of his first two seasons. The Warriors even had rookie Scott Machado on the active, playoff roster and he dressed each game. Ernie is flat dumb to not recognize talent.

What SHOULD happen is they draft three talented players and hope the round two picks are diamonds and starter-caliber players. Arenas was a round two pick, as were Carlos Boozer and Paul Millsap. A GM is DUMB to totally discount Erick Green, Pierre Jackson, Nate Wolters, or especially Mike Muscala because he doesn't want three rookies.

Any GM or coach who thinks that way is IMO a hindrance to putting talent on the court.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#849 » by nuposse04 » Tue May 21, 2013 6:52 am

it doesn't take much to be better then Vesely though. You could prolly bring in a UFA and have a better basketball player then vesely tbh. If EG can, he should try to combine the two 2nds and move up as far as he can. I can't think of a player past the top 40 that would give meaningful minutes on a contender.

I'm also not so irate that they would dismiss 2nd rounders cause I know they're going to draft trash anyways. Just less trash to compile. :/
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#850 » by rockymac52 » Tue May 21, 2013 7:27 am

I think Ernie and the Wizards are often too weary of past mistakes. On one hand, as many have pointed out, our front office seems to have an issue with admitting our past mistakes, holding onto players for years even though it's clear that they don't belong on an NBA roster. However, on the other hand, i get the impression that our front office is also terrified of repeating mistakes they've made in the past.

Now, I respect them for not wanting to make the same mistake twice (or more). Because after all, if you can't learn from your mistakes, then you're in big trouble. However, I think the Wizards may have taken this line of thought too far.

A couple years ago we had something insane, like 7 players on our roster who were in their rookie or sophomore season. We obviously had a terrible year, and the worst part was that most (arguably all) of those players barely even showed any signs of development. Ted talked about it at the end of that season, about how we had become TOO young. Then we went out and traded for Nene the next year I believe. I think Ted was right in that sense - we were, in fact, too young. When your team's longest tenured player is a 23 year old Andray Blatche, you're going to have serious issues (for more reasons than one).

I think the bigger problem had to do with the specific players we drafted, the existing veterans on the roster (or lack thereof), and the team's player development program (or lack thereof). This reminds me of that Grantland article recently published about how it hurts Wizards fans to see Kawhi Leonard playing so well knowing we could have drafted him, but then also pointing out that even if we drafted Leonard, he probably would have been mismanaged and his development would have suffered greatly. It's hard to defend the Vesely pick, but Singleton was honestly a solid pick, and I think he would have found a decent role on a lot of other teams. But the problem is that our coaching staff and front office was not prepared to have so many rookies, especially ones so raw and in desperate need of developmental coaching.

So, has this changed? Well, in theory, we could pick the right rookies this year and that takes care of that prong, but that's too speculative and hard to determine at this point. However, we are a lot better off because of the existing veterans and team the rookies will be introduced to. There is already a sense of professionalism and hard work in our locker room now, something that wasn't there 2-3 years ago, and it's contagious. A rookie with, say, an average work ethic, could come into the league and join the 2010 Wizards and his career would be ruined by their lack of professionalism. But that same rookie could come into this current Wizards locker room, and be surrounded by smart, dedicated veterans from day one, and go on to succeed because of it.

As far as the coaching staff's ability to develop players now compared to 2-3 years ago, well, it's hard to say. I'd like to believe it's better, but I don't really have any reason to believe that. Yeah, Wall took a huge step forward this year (eventually). Yeah, the team as a whole is well coached and headed in the right direction (I like Witt - really!). But how would this group handle a raw prospect who had a ton of potential, but a ton to still learn? I'm not sure. I'm not optimistic, to be honest. And that's actually especially true if we draft a big man, unless that big man turns out to be very NBA-ready on his own, or unless we trade several of "Ernie's Kids". Even though the likes of Vesely, Singleton, Seraphin, and Booker might not be very good (exception for Booker, but injury issues), they're still on the roster, and they're going to command a certain amount of minutes. I think we're prepared to put Vesely on the end of the bench and get plenty of DNP-CDs, but if Okafor and Nene are the starters, then there's a group of those 4 backing them up, that's already a fairly crowded front court, even without adding in the 8th pick or so. I think if we draft someone at 8, they immediately become the priority over those 4 current backups, but what if we get somebody like Adams, who is as raw as they come? (Okay, I sincerely hope we wouldn't reach for Adams at 8, but just pretend we do or we trade down a few spots or something). Do we immediately make Adams our 1st big man off the bench, getting something like 20-25 MPG? I don't think he's ready for that. We don't want to rush someone into a situation when they're not ready for it (again). So we either push him further down the bench, forcing him to earn his minutes over those 4 backups over time, or maybe we finally utilize the D-League, but I think that's a dangerous situation. That's how players never develop, at least for some teams, the Wizards included. We stash him at the end of the bench, and maybe one asst. coach in particular is working with him constantly (although that's not even a guarantee with this organization), but he's not getting any playing time/experience. Or he's in the D-League where he isn't even being coached by our own guys, and since we don't have a direct D-League affiliate, we have no say over who coaches him, so it's very unlikely we'd do that at this point. So then the Wizards coaching staff is more preoccupied with the current team as a whole, trying to win now, and not focusing on developing one player (this is probably the right thing for the coaching staff to do, to be fair). And then, before you know it, 3-4 years have passed, and Adams' rookie deal is coming to an end, and whaddyaknow, he's still a backup big man at the end of the bench, and he never got better. It's scary. This organization is not prepared for a project.


But back to where I initially started before getting sidetracked... this current team can handle 3 rookies much better than we could 2-3 years ago. Not to mention that since our entire team is so much better now, that not all 3 rookies would be forced into a starting and big minutes role from the get-go. In fact, maybe none of them get more than 20 MPG all season. There's less pressure on them.

I think the Wizards/Ernie are too scared of becoming too young again, but I think their logic is flawed. Especially with 2nd round picks, sure, the vast majority of them never pan out, but plenty of them do, and some of them turn into stars. It would be foolish not to utilize the picks. If we're talking about trading 37 and 54 for something in the 26-32 range, then sure, I'm all for consolidation. But if we can't find a suitable trade partner (which might be the case, as it seems that Ernie is really taking a wait and see approach in this regard), then I don't want to see us sell the 54th pick (or the 37th, that'd be even worse). I'm okay with going with the draft and stash for one of those picks, probably the 54th, but I don't think it's realistically the best move, it's just a convenient way to make a pick with a slight glimmer of upside and no repercussions because there's no immediate salary paid to that player. I'd rather see us take a chance on an American player, let him play in Summer League and in Training Camp, and if he's good enough to be one of the top 15 options for our team at that point, then awesome, we just got another player for cheeeeap. If he's no good, or he's just not ready, then there's really no loss. Send him tot he D-League or send him overseas, and keep him draft rights. Then he's in the same boat as the international draft and stash option.

It feels like the Wizards/Ernie got it in their heads that 3 rookies is too many for an NBA team that wants to be competitive, and as a result, we aren't even willing to give it a shot. It's frustrating to say the least. At least pretend that we're keeping an open mind about the possibility, even if that's not the route we prefer taking.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#851 » by rockymac52 » Tue May 21, 2013 7:34 am

Also, this may be somewhat unrelated, but I'm sick of the Tomas Satoransky bashing. Yes, most mock drafts had Satoransky sticking around for 10+ more picks, so it appears that we reached for him. But those are just mock drafts, and they're obviously very unreliable, especially when it comes to the 2nd round. So it's possible that the mock drafts were wrong about Satoransky and where he would have gone had we not taken him with the 32nd pick.

And yes, if you look back at last year's draft and the players who were taking after Satoransky, there's already a pretty impressive bunch of players that I would love to have on our team right now. Not necessarily any future stars, or even starters, but plenty of quality backups for depth, which we clearly need.

However, don't give up on Satoransky just yet. Obviously he's very young and has a long way to go. But who's to say he won't develop into an even better player than those other 2nd round picks? Give it time. Be patient. I'm not personally sold on Satoransky's future, but I'm willing to give the Wizards the benefit of the doubt, at least somewhat, because let's be honest, I haven't seen Satoransky play at all, and I'm pretty damn sure none of you guys have other than a quick highlight reel or some short clips. Pretend the Spurs picked him at 32 instead of us. People would love the pick. Now, we're not the Spurs, in many ways, but for a draft and stash, his development is pretty much out of our control at this point no matter what, as would be the case for any other team. We just have to wait and see what happens.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#852 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 21, 2013 7:41 am

nuposse04 wrote:it doesn't take much to be better then Vesely though. You could prolly bring in a UFA and have a better basketball player then vesely tbh. If EG can, he should try to combine the two 2nds and move up as far as he can. I can't think of a player past the top 40 that would give meaningful minutes on a contender.

I'm also not so irate that they would dismiss 2nd rounders cause I know they're going to draft trash anyways. Just less trash to compile. :/


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Colton Iverson, Zeke Marshall, Andre Roberson, DJ Stephens, Juvonte Reddic, Ray McCallum, Solomon Hill, Brandon Paul, Micheal Snaer, Isaiah Canaan, Carrick Felix, Lorenzo Brown

Those are a few names off the top of my head of players who can contribute to contending teams even if drafted after #40. Most won't solely because of guaranteed roster spots and due to GMs like Ernie, who stock their teams with nondescript players.

Mario Chalmers, Deandre Jordan, Omer Asik, Landry Fields, Lance Stephenson, Chandler Parsons, Kyle Singler, Isaiah Thomas, Lavoy Allen, DeAndre Liggins, E'Twuan Moore were all second round picks.

From 2009 all these players went round two: Sam Young, Jodie Meeks, DeJuan Blair, Jetf Pendergraph, AJ Price, Jonas Jerebko, Patrick Beverly, Marcus Thornton, Chase Budinger, Danny Green

Price was the 52nd pick!

These players were not drafted: Jeremy Lin, Wesley Matthews, Alonzo Gee,

When I hear statements by Grunfeld and others that say there are only a handful of good players I disagree STRONGLY.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#853 » by Deeptu McPullup » Tue May 21, 2013 7:45 am

To go back about ten pages and get back to Dat2U on Zeller, it’s a solid and reasonable case you make against him there.

My position would be more bullish on him offensively while being on the same page with your defensive concerns for him, particularly around the basket where he’s a poor help defender not even taking his length issues into account. I like his defense in space well enough, but he often doesn’t rotate well as a help defender, partly related to his being locked up on stronger post players, but also because he makes bad reads at times. It would also be fairly well shocking if Zeller were a plus rebounder over his career too.

I see Zeller’s “struggles against strength” knock as being mostly a temporary problem, at least as far as it inhibits his offense. Defensively, I suspect his getting knocked around is an ongoing issue unfortunately.

McCollum and Zeller at 8, I’d have to think about.

One of the projects bigs versus him, all told, Zeller’s skills are too high and his production came too early for me to take other guys based on their incremental size advantage; if I’m totally and completely blown away by the intangibles and intelligence of one of the giants, I'd lean that way.

Olynyk’s situation of coming on late is way scary.

Someone like Office-Dipo slips, I’ll take him over Zeller.

I will say that drafting anyone other than a big is probably a move for eventual trade value rather than long term fit. Only a team with an owner rich enough to reside in an island volcano fortress like Brooklyn can afford three big money perimeter players. It’s more or less mathematically impossible to commit eight digit salaries to three perimeter guys and field a contender that’s under the tax. We saw what happened in OKC with Harden. I don’t even think this is a question anymore, so Porter, Beal and Wall on their second contracts in DC probably means Brandon Bass and Ian Mahimi are rounding out the starting lineup. Not that that’s a real issue for what we do though; we’ll get a better big by drafting a guard and having him make a play at rookie of the year than by taking a big stiffie based on need.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#854 » by rockymac52 » Tue May 21, 2013 8:42 am

CCJ, I love your posts for the most part, but I gotta call you out this time...

Since the creation of this thread (it's been about 2 weeks), you have named a TON of players that you love that are underrated or you think will be a great player in the NBA. In fact, I counted.

You have specifically identified 35 players as sleepers or very good players.
You have specifically identified 7 players as overrated or not very good players.

Of the 35 players you liked a lot, 20 of them are currently projected to be taken in the 2nd round or undrafted, according to Draft Express.

You think 15 of the 30 projected 1st round picks are sleepers or very good players.
You think 6 of the 30 projected 1st round picks are overrated or not very good players.
You have not posted in this thread in the last 2 weeks about the other 9 projected 1st round picks (except for Rudy Gobert, who I couldn't decide if you liked or not).


Obviously we're all entitled to our own opinions. This draft may, in fact, be very deep, as you seem to be indicating. That might come in the form of having several future all-stars, or it might come in the form of having handfuls of quality role players deep into the 2nd round. Or both. I'm not saying you're wrong about either of these things, necessarily.

What I am saying, however, is that unless this is a historically deep draft, with 40-50 quality NBA players, then you are getting a little carried away with your analysis. Seriously, the way you have been talking up all of these players, you'd think that a GM could blindly throw darts at the draft board and do just fine. You realize you have basically said that 2/3 of the 2nd round picks are going to be good players, right? Come on, CCJ, you're better than that. You're not going to be able to come back a year from now and point to any of your predictions and say "see, I told you I knew this kid was a sleeper," because you just claimed 20+ guys projected in the 2nd round or undrafted are going to be good. I hope you realize that. Your track record has been great in the past, from my recollection. But you are setting yourself up for failure by claiming nearly half the draft to be sleepers. It's simply too much.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#855 » by verbal8 » Tue May 21, 2013 11:03 am

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Nivek wrote:
Ruzious wrote:I hate to keep pumping Dukees, but I think Ryan Kelly is a much better prospect than Murphy - and his 9'2 standing reach (same as Nerlens Noel) has to help. He needs to see a strength and conditioning coach and perhaps a nutrionist - considering his 14.5% body fat. But that high body fat % might indicate there's more potential improvement.


I don't have all the combine stuff entered yet, but YODA doesn't seem to like Kelly all that much. He has a lower overall rating than Muhammad. He can shoot it, but I was really surprised to see how little he rebounds.


Who's a better prospect between Ryan Kelly and Kenny Kadji?

Kadji's 45 or 46 years old (j/k--he's 24 already and Kelly is 22), but he strikes me as a better basketball player than Kelly. Kadji rebounds better, blocks more shots, can hit the three almost as well, and is a much better athlete at about the same size as Kelly.


Kadji's numbers are strange. His 3 point shooting is good, but his FT shooting has improved to merely adequate(66%). One thing about the players is I think Kadji's inside game is less dependent on getting to the FT line. I think Kelly will be a very 1 dimensional player with injury issues. I think Kadji might be worth using the later second round pick. Solomon Hill might also be worth a look as a glue guy.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#856 » by Ruzious » Tue May 21, 2013 11:04 am

rockymac52 wrote:I think the bigger problem had to do with the specific players we drafted, the existing veterans on the roster (or lack thereof), and the team's player development program (or lack thereof). This reminds me of that Grantland article recently published about how it hurts Wizards fans to see Kawhi Leonard playing so well knowing we could have drafted him, but then also pointing out that even if we drafted Leonard, he probably would have been mismanaged and his development would have suffered greatly. It's hard to defend the Vesely pick, but Singleton was honestly a solid pick, and I think he would have found a decent role on a lot of other teams. But the problem is that our coaching staff and front office was not prepared to have so many rookies, especially ones so raw and in desperate need of developmental coaching.

Singleton was not a solid pick - or even a defensible pick. It was a pick that Susan O'Malley would have made - not a professional GM. He was an error-prone player in college who was offensively impaired. His defensive stats were his only impressive stats. And considering they picked Vesely to be a SF - that's what Ernie Grunfeld said - made the Singleton pick even more confusing. Considering Faried was there and supposedly played a different position than Vesely, he was the obvious pick - and there really can't be any justifiable reason not to have picked him, imo - which several of us - not just CCJ - said at the time. Granted, most of us thought Singleton would be better than he has been, but he was still an awful pick.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#857 » by Deeptu McPullup » Tue May 21, 2013 11:40 am

BTW, every other team with a decent RealGM following that's in the lottery has a "Lottery Drawing" thread with about four pages of posts or whatever. Who's gonna make the dame thing already?

We're practically daring the basketball gods to kick our balls up to 10th.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#858 » by hands11 » Tue May 21, 2013 12:34 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
TGW wrote:Rather have Dieng than Adams...I'm not buying the Adams hype at all.


Adams could end up reminding of the Adams family butler, Lurch. I am not buying the hype at all, either.


What ?

He may be raw but he really gets up and down the court well. He just kind of glides up and down the court. Looks like its effortless for him. He has clearly down a lot of running in his days.

He may be inexperienced but you watch him play and its clear he follows instruction well and has a motor. He is always moving to the next correct spot on the floor in methodical passion.

What he lacks is experience and for lack of a better word, natural flow on offense. There is none of that smooth basketball swag moves kind of stuff. But you don't have to have that to be effective. He has already show in the combine he can shoot better then some might have thought. He seems to read whats the floor well and follow instruction. Someone is going to teach him a few NBA post moves and I'm confident he will be able to execute those moves. He will get strong and the game will slow down.

I see zero "Lurch" in him. He looks very mobile and athletic.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#859 » by McGully Culkin » Tue May 21, 2013 1:02 pm

I think some of you are overreacting to EG's quote. He said he'd be open to packaging the picks and move up. If it means that we keep our 1st rounder and get a late pick in the 1st (trading the two 2nds), I don't see that as a bad thing at all. All he said was he didn't want to carry 3 rookies on the roster...never said anything about two. I know we're a beaten down fanbase, but let's see what actually happens before burning down the village.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part IV 

Post#860 » by Rafael122 » Tue May 21, 2013 1:12 pm

I don't see anything wrong with what Ernie said. He wants to package both 2nd round picks to move up, which is something people, like me, have stated they should do.

The team doesn't want to add 3 rookies, which is another thing some have said they don't really want either.
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