Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VII

[Knighthonor]

I would not be shocked if the cavs took otto, But they have there smoke screen in full effect. You would think that they would not need a smoke screen with the number one pick. but it still makes sense, not knowing who the cavs are going to take could mess up a lot of trade talks. To me the cav's are trying to toss the other teams off their game.

take OP and Wiz get Noel, VO, or most of all Bennett!!!

So win win..

[Wizardspride]

Nice touch giving the first pay check to his mother. Also nice to hear he has a gf for a year in a half. This kid doesn't seem the type to be running around chasing the ladies in clubs.

Yep. His girlfriend is Essence Townsend. She was a backup C on the women's team.

Just graduated a few weeks ago.

[closg00]

Did Dario Saric actually withdraw his name from the draft? All of that song-and dance was very suspicious to me, I'd like to know if the letter was actually delivered.

[hands11]

Nice touch giving the first pay check to his mother. Also nice to hear he has a gf for a year in a half. This kid doesn't seem the type to be running around chasing the ladies in clubs.

Yep. His girlfriend is Essence Townsend. She was a backup C on the women's team.

Just graduated a few weeks ago.

Essence Townsend
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Nice form
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[GhostsOfGil]

Some more Jalen/Bill interviews:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU7mqS4LVbo[/youtube]
...

Spoiler:

His lack of preparation for the draft is hurting him. Multiple sources told me that his workout in Phoenix was not impressive. McLemore, according to sources, wasn’t in shape and struggled to keep up in the workout. I heard similar things in Orlando.

Shabazz:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlfoPm0eeUg

[pcbothwel]

I can't imagine NBA players needing to do advanced lifts like snatches and cleans. Those workouts have such a heavy emphasis on form to where if you **** up you could have back issues and more.

Advanced lifts are great for getting more out of a single workout, but taking it slower with safer isolation workouts/machine is going to be the go to for most NBA strength and conditioning coaches. So I'm not surprised that Jan was on a smith machine and I don't think its a bad thing.

Football players its a different story. You have to do those olympic lifts to compete at a high level at some of those positions. For example Alfred Morris squats 600 IIRC. You won't find an NBA player who touches that number.

I would LOL if Baseball players were doing olympic level lifts. Wouldn't surprise me because baseball players are injured on the super regular for apparently no reason but if they are doing those lifts I'm starting to understand why everyones so injury prone in the sport.

You seem like a nice guy...so I'll say this with as much tact as possible. You have no idea what you are talking about. The core strength, vertical explosiveness, and synergy of weight transfer (BTW, Vertical jump/explosiveness is the strongest indicator of strength per pound) utilized in a clean is directly applicable to most all sports and especially basketball.
When you do "isolation" or smith machine workouts your body develops zero functional strength and you can develop imbalances which cause injury. One major reason for many ACL injuries is the Quad becoming to strong for the hamstrings.
If you have a well rounded workout routine there will be a direct application of explosiveness (Olympic lifts/plyometrics), Base/Functional strength(Power Lifts), conditioning/balance/speed work, Health/maintenance (Eating right, stretching/ligament work) and last but not least, skills development (cones, jump shots, dribbling, etc.).

As players age they will focus less on the lifts and more on the health/maintenance work. But from 16-25, you stick these guys in the gym and push 'em. These are elite level athletes and most of them have no idea what their body is truly capable of achieving because the AAU scene has allowed them to eat Doritos for lunch and do push ups and laps(slowly) for workouts.
Go figure that guys like Kobe still dominate the league with all the minutes he's played. And for all my hate i have for LeFlop James, he works his ass off and will be a top 5 player in the league for the next decade..book it.

[closg00]

I would not be shocked if the cavs took otto, But they have there smoke screen in full effect. You would think that they would not need a smoke screen with the number one pick. but it still makes sense, not knowing who the cavs are going to take could mess up a lot of trade talks. To me the cav's are trying to toss the other teams off their game.

Nah, the other teams will have their
draft boards and scenarios ready on draft night. So if the Cavs take Porter, for example, we obviously will be prepared should Orlando take our second option.

[pancakes3]

I'm sure there are NBA players that don't lift but to think that those who do put in the effort don't get top notch training and would forgo a lift because it'll be too difficult is laughable. High schoolers are coached how to clean and jerk.

[Knighthonor]

I would not be shocked if the cavs took otto, But they have there smoke screen in full effect. You would think that they would not need a smoke screen with the number one pick. but it still makes sense, not knowing who the cavs are going to take could mess up a lot of trade talks. To me the cav's are trying to toss the other teams off their game.

Nah, the other teams will have their
draft boards and scenarios ready on draft night. So if the Cavs take Porter, for example, we obviously will be prepared should Orlando take our second option.

If Porter is gone and Noel gone, than Bennett should be without hesitation

[Dark Faze]

I can't imagine NBA players needing to do advanced lifts like snatches and cleans. Those workouts have such a heavy emphasis on form to where if you **** up you could have back issues and more.

Advanced lifts are great for getting more out of a single workout, but taking it slower with safer isolation workouts/machine is going to be the go to for most NBA strength and conditioning coaches. So I'm not surprised that Jan was on a smith machine and I don't think its a bad thing.

Football players its a different story. You have to do those olympic lifts to compete at a high level at some of those positions. For example Alfred Morris squats 600 IIRC. You won't find an NBA player who touches that number.

I would LOL if Baseball players were doing olympic level lifts. Wouldn't surprise me because baseball players are injured on the super regular for apparently no reason but if they are doing those lifts I'm starting to understand why everyones so injury prone in the sport.

You seem like a nice guy...so I'll say this with as much tact as possible. You have no idea what you are talking about. The core strength, vertical explosiveness, and synergy of weight transfer (BTW, Vertical jump/explosiveness is the strongest indicator of strength per pound) utilized in a clean is directly applicable to most all sports and especially basketball.
When you do "isolation" or smith machine workouts your body develops zero functional strength and you can develop imbalances which cause injury. One major reason for many ACL injuries is the Quad becoming to strong for the hamstrings.
If you have a well rounded workout routine there will be a direct application of explosiveness (Olympic lifts/plyometrics), Base/Functional strength(Power Lifts), conditioning/balance/speed work, Health/maintenance (Eating right, stretching/ligament work) and last but not least, skills development (cones, jump shots, dribbling, etc.).

As players age they will focus less on the lifts and more on the health/maintenance work. But from 16-25, you stick these guys in the gym and push 'em. These are elite level athletes and most of them have no idea what their body is truly capable of achieving because the AAU scene has allowed them to eat Doritos for lunch and do push ups and laps(slowly) for workouts.
Go figure that guys like Kobe still dominate the league with all the minutes he's played. And for all my hate i have for LeFlop James, he works his ass off and will be a top 5 player in the league for the next decade..book it.

You make good points sir, I'll just leave the following couple of links as a response to those who have similar thinking as I, as I don't want to derail the thread:

http://articles.elitefts.com/training-a ... picslinks/

http://inno-sport.net/Why%20do%20coache ... 0lifts.htm

http://megliofitness.com/olympic-lifting-for-baseball/

Basically, the main gist of it is that Olympic Lifts are basically a sport into themselves in regards to the amount of time and energy one has to build himself up from in regards to learning form. Simply put, professional basketball players have too little time to develop skills that are necessary to improvement to take on what is essentially an entirely new sport unto itself, and if not given the proper focus can result in serious injury.

You can still get in great compound exercises without doing olympic lifts. Medicine ball squats, dumbbell squats, even dummbell cleans, etc.

I know Kobe does olympic lifts though. I don't think LeBron does.

[gambitx777]

I just don't understand, why there are still people on the board who still want Noel........ It makes no sense. His play and weight alone would keep me from taking him, but if you toss in the red flags, how can you justify it. I mean we all saw that picture of his knee, it looks jacked beyond jacked. plus, all of his "people" acting like jack asses, taking him makes no sense. Let the bobcats take a shot on him, I do not want the risk. right now I would take Len and even Adams over noel.

[nuposse04]

Assuming most people who are wiz fans might be skins fans....Why would people have reservations about Noel but not RG III? Why shouldn't the skins just trade him while his value is high...Dude has torn his ACL twice...and he's playing Football mind you. If you're a fan of RG III and are against Noel cause of "health concerns" it just wreaks of hypocrisy to me. If Noel passes a physical no reason to have any bias against him cause of "potential health concerns."

[Dark Faze]

I just don't understand, why there are still people on the board who still want Noel........ It makes no sense. His play and weight alone would keep me from taking him, but if you toss in the red flags, how can you justify it. I mean we all saw that picture of his knee, it looks jacked beyond jacked. plus, all of his "people" acting like jack asses, taking him makes no sense. Let the bobcats take a shot on him, I do not want the risk. right now I would take Len and even Adams over noel.

A lot of ignorance here.

Google ACL surgery scar and ACL knee swelling and you basically get Noels photo. Noel is being overseen by Dr. Andrews, the absolute best in the business behind these surgeries, and Noels ACL tear was about as much of a freak of an incident as you see in sports.

The whole "people" acting like jackasses is a dumb thing to look at. He has no history of off the court issues and NBA agents are terrible people with egos that are too large to take serious about these kids they want to take advantage of.

He's already up to 218 from reports. He'll gain the weight and strength, I'm not concerned about that.

And his play in college was consistent with some of the top defenders to play the game at his height.

[Benjammin]

I might be developing a case of Len-sanity if Noel and Porter are off the board at 3. Those draft express video reviews might make me look like a second round pick though . I do think it's highly unlikely that both Noel and Porter will be available at 3. Noel's injuries don't scare me off if competent doctors clear him. I can't shake my feeling that Bennett is too tweenerish to pick at 3.

[jivelikenice]

If Porter is gone and the FO is unsure about Bennett, I hope they give Oladipo or McLemore a strong look. There's nothing wrong with getting a 25-30 minute player even if there might not be a spot in the starting lineup for them. Over the course of 82 games, they'll find their way into the lineup plenty.

[TGW]

I would be down Oladipo just so I can hear the PA announcer play "Ola Ola Yea!" over the loudspeaker every time Victor scores.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7ejsNdvpxA[/youtube]

[pcbothwel]

I can't imagine NBA players needing to do advanced lifts like snatches and cleans. Those workouts have such a heavy emphasis on form to where if you **** up you could have back issues and more.

Advanced lifts are great for getting more out of a single workout, but taking it slower with safer isolation workouts/machine is going to be the go to for most NBA strength and conditioning coaches. So I'm not surprised that Jan was on a smith machine and I don't think its a bad thing.

Football players its a different story. You have to do those olympic lifts to compete at a high level at some of those positions. For example Alfred Morris squats 600 IIRC. You won't find an NBA player who touches that number.

I would LOL if Baseball players were doing olympic level lifts. Wouldn't surprise me because baseball players are injured on the super regular for apparently no reason but if they are doing those lifts I'm starting to understand why everyones so injury prone in the sport.

You seem like a nice guy...so I'll say this with as much tact as possible. You have no idea what you are talking about. The core strength, vertical explosiveness, and synergy of weight transfer (BTW, Vertical jump/explosiveness is the strongest indicator of strength per pound) utilized in a clean is directly applicable to most all sports and especially basketball.
When you do "isolation" or smith machine workouts your body develops zero functional strength and you can develop imbalances which cause injury. One major reason for many ACL injuries is the Quad becoming to strong for the hamstrings.
If you have a well rounded workout routine there will be a direct application of explosiveness (Olympic lifts/plyometrics), Base/Functional strength(Power Lifts), conditioning/balance/speed work, Health/maintenance (Eating right, stretching/ligament work) and last but not least, skills development (cones, jump shots, dribbling, etc.).

As players age they will focus less on the lifts and more on the health/maintenance work. But from 16-25, you stick these guys in the gym and push 'em. These are elite level athletes and most of them have no idea what their body is truly capable of achieving because the AAU scene has allowed them to eat Doritos for lunch and do push ups and laps(slowly) for workouts.
Go figure that guys like Kobe still dominate the league with all the minutes he's played. And for all my hate i have for LeFlop James, he works his ass off and will be a top 5 player in the league for the next decade..book it.

You make good points sir, I'll just leave the following couple of links as a response to those who have similar thinking as I, as I don't want to derail the thread:

http://articles.elitefts.com/training-a ... picslinks/

http://inno-sport.net/Why%20do%20coache ... 0lifts.htm

http://megliofitness.com/olympic-lifting-for-baseball/

Basically, the main gist of it is that Olympic Lifts are basically a sport into themselves in regards to the amount of time and energy one has to build himself up from in regards to learning form. Simply put, professional basketball players have too little time to develop skills that are necessary to improvement to take on what is essentially an entirely new sport unto itself, and if not given the proper focus can result in serious injury.

You can still get in great compound exercises without doing olympic lifts. Medicine ball squats, dumbbell squats, even dummbell cleans, etc.

I know Kobe does olympic lifts though. I don't think LeBron does.

Your right, no need to derail a great thread with so little time until the draft(Even though we all know the Wiz take Porter if he is available). I will end with this, those articles do not argue against my point. They simply state only doing OL is not going to make a better basketball player. i stated that it is a strong compliment along with other aspects of fitness. You stated "I can't imagine NBA players needing to do advanced lifts like snatches and cleans."

In order of importance when it comes to making an athlete (for all prospective parents out there who want a meal ticket ) are as follows:

1: Sports focused on balance, plyometrics, hand eye coordination while maintaining as little impact as possible and allow growth plates/muscles to develop properly - This is the reason gymnastics, swimming, soccer,baseball/tennis are great for kids 4 - 15.

2: Further development of core strength, functional strength and power - From 16-22 you get them in the weight-room as their hormones and growth plates are primed to begin Power Lifts such as bench, deadlifts, squats, and OH Press. i cannot tell you how common it is to see a 16 y/o kid go from 5'10 165 to 6'2 220+ by 22.

3: Once fully developed the focus turns more towards skill development and properly utilizing the strength developed over the previous years to become more explosive (Olympic Lifts) and improve conditioning levels. (Age 21-30)

Ugghh..damn you Faze, your making me sound like WizD now..Anyway, back to the draft...

[LyricalRico]

More "Len at #1" buzz:

Joe Kotoch: Noel's stop in Cleveland was just an interview. It appears to have gone well but concerns about injury & frame exist still. Twitter @Probballdraft

Joe Kotoch: Len has emerged as top choice for Cleveland with ability to contribute on both ends of the court & should be 100% by training camp. Twitter @Probballdraft

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

If Cleveland has Noel and Len rated similarly as longterm prospects, and they really believe they will make the playoffs next year, it would make sense that they'd go with the guy who would be ready Day 1.

[pancakes3]

If they're serious about getting to the playoffs, he guy who would be most ready day 1 would be Zeller. The guy who would help their particular roster reach the playoffs would be Porter.

[Knighthonor]

More "Len at #1" buzz:

Joe Kotoch: Noel's stop in Cleveland was just an interview. It appears to have gone well but concerns about injury & frame exist still. Twitter @Probballdraft

Joe Kotoch: Len has emerged as top choice for Cleveland with ability to contribute on both ends of the court & should be 100% by training camp. Twitter @Probballdraft

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

If Cleveland has Noel and Len rated similarly as longterm prospects, and they really believe they will make the playoffs next year, it would make sense that they'd go with the guy who would be ready Day 1.

oh please. This is Cleveland bull **** again. And they wonder why nobody likes them now...
They Trolling. Simple as that. I don't care. I want OP,VO or Bennett.

Bennett is who I want, but he has huge bust potential , but huge all star potential.