Bean Burrito / Nick Young Appreciation Thread.

[hands11]

Pacers offering a 2-year $10M contract for Jamaal Crawford. Now THAT'S more like it. Hopefully, this will help set Young's value at a more reasonable level.

That the what I came to if he doesn't get any offers and he is shooting for the one year offer so he is a UFA next year. They should counter with a 2 year at 5 or a little more. That would time perfectly with the 2013 FA class that should be more crowed.

And it gives him some stability while still also providing some motivation to improve over the next two years.

[montestewart]

One thing Eddie Johnson didn't lie about -- he could shoot the ball.

Years ago, I tried a bunch of different searches at b-r to see if I could figure out what record he was trying to claim. Couldn't find it, though. b-r's better now.

Of players to not start a game in 1993, he came in SECOND in scoring to dell curry. dell only played in 80 games though, and EJ played in all 82. It could easily be fudged to "i led all bench players in scoring back in '93".

i don't know what else he could be claiming. there are a lot of better bench scorers than him - thurl bailey, late-stage mchale, the aforementioned dell curry...

he also had a pretty ridiculous 10.7 TO% in 1983.

I tried this one. PPM for players w/ more than 50 games. He comes in @111, but for players starting less than half their games, he's 5th behind seasons by John Drew (twice), Ricky Pierce, and Walter Davis (and probably a bunch of others from before GS was an official stat). A little tweaking, and I think he probably holds a record there somewhere.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... offset=100

[tontoz]

Crawford's deal definitely brings a little reality into the discussion.

As a side note about Crawford he is just amazing at getting 4 point plays. He has more than anyone in NBA history by far. He has more 4 point plays by himself that the entire Celtics team in their history.

[Dat2U]

Pacers offering a 2-year $10M contract for Jamaal Crawford. Now THAT'S more like it. Hopefully, this will help set Young's value at a more reasonable level.

That's good news. I think Young and that Crawford have similar values. Now, I'm more optimistic than before. Gotta figure Nick's agent is waiting on something - maybe one of the big market teams figuring out if they can get Paul or Howard... or Nene for that matter - telling Nick's agent to hold on until they know what they're doing. But Crawford's deal has to lower Nick's expectations.

Yeah, that's more like it. I can live with $10 mil over two years. Ideally my preference is for him to take the one year tender but a two year committment is ok by me because there's little risk involved.

But anything over 3 yrs - $15 million and he can take a hike.

[fishercob]

Pacers offering a 2-year $10M contract for Jamaal Crawford. Now THAT'S more like it. Hopefully, this will help set Young's value at a more reasonable level.

That's good news. I think Young and that Crawford have similar values. Now, I'm more optimistic than before. Gotta figure Nick's agent is waiting on something - maybe one of the big market teams figuring out if they can get Paul or Howard... or Nene for that matter - telling Nick's agent to hold on until they know what they're doing. But Crawford's deal has to lower Nick's expectations.

Unfortunately Crawford turned it dowm. My sense is that around the league Crawford has a lot more value than Nick.

Chad Ford recently did his "best remaining free agents" and had Crawford ranked 6th, Nick 12th.

Young was one of the league's most improved players last season and, at the age of 26, he's entering his prime. His athleticism allows him to get off his jumper anywhere on the floor against virtually anyone. Most teams still see him as a turnover-prone gunner, and he may still be that guy, but last season he corrected many of his deficiencies. He'd be a nice bargain for someone and I'd expect the Wizards to eventually lock him up.

I don't know that that perception is necessarily fair. In fact, their advanced metric for last season were quite similar, and Nick is 5 years younger. At the same time I think teams believe they know what they're getting with Crawford, because he's been doing the same thing for several years. Nick has to fight that "someone has to score on a bad team" label.

I think there are several dominos left to fall before Nick gets his -- Crawford, Rip, Afflalo among them -- and there just may not be much money left for Nick when it's done.

[tontoz]

I would definitely take Nick over Crawford, who i have watched a lot. When you watch Crawford regularly it is very impressive that he is able to exert so little energy when the ball isn't in his hands. Defensively he makes Blatche look like a scrappy hustle player.

[Dat2U]

They are similar players IMO. Crawford is a more willing passer and probably a little better creating off the bounce for others (although he mostly creates for himself). Crawford also shows more effort on the boards (although that's not saying a lot). Probably where I'd give Crawford the biggest advantage is the ability to hit clutch shots. I'd trust Crawford a lot more in the last 5 minutes of the game than Nick.

Crawford is the better player IMO. Not by a great deal but I think the difference is significant enough to make a hard case that Crawford is better choice. Nick of course is younger, but if I was GM for a contender that needed a lights out gunner off the bench, I'd take Crawford over Young everytime.

[nate33]

If we're talking about a gunner off the bench, then I agree with Dat2U, Crawford is better for that role. But if we're talking about a starter who can blend into a system, I like Young better. He's a much better defender and he has a better catch-and-shoot game where he can get shots in the flow of the offense.

[7-Day Dray]

Young over Crawford for me. Young might have spotty shot selection, but there is a night and day difference between Young's jumpshot, and Crawford's. Young is a pure shooter. Crawford might get hot every once in a while.

[Jajwanda]

Crawford is our 6th man, and Jan and Singleton are either 3s or 4s. They have nothing to do with Young.

That wasn't the point. The point was your rotation is no less bottled up than the Lakers situation. With Mason and perhaps Mo Evans it's arguably more so.

[mhd]

Crawford is our 6th man, and Jan and Singleton are either 3s or 4s. They have nothing to do with Young.

That wasn't the point. The point was your rotation is no less bottled up than the Lakers situation. With Mason and perhaps Mo Evans it's arguably more so.

Mason was signed strictly as an end of the bench guy who is a vet and good character. He's not getting any PT other than spot minutes if it is a back-to-back-to-back. Evans isn't even on the roster, and would have the same situation b/c Lewis is healthy and will be the SF.

[tontoz]

If we're talking about a gunner off the bench, then I agree with Dat2U, Crawford is better for that role. But if we're talking about a starter who can blend into a system, I like Young better. He's a much better defender and he has a better catch-and-shoot game where he can get shots in the flow of the offense.

Yeah Crawford is tough to fit into a system. That is why he plays well with the Hawks. They dont have one. Seriously though the coach publicly admitted that they let Crawford freelance when he is in the game, not that it was really news.

His defense is hard to watch. Remember Yi vs LA early in the year? Crawford is like that. If a roll of Charmin sets a pick on Crawford he will react like he just ran into Charles Oakley.

[Ruzious]

I hadn't thought about it before, but I wish Nick would make up his mind quickly, so that Crawford would be an option for the Wiz if Nick's offer is too high. While it's true that Crawford has a deserved bad rep for defense, there was one playoff series I recall - I think against San Ant - where Bibby just couldn't begin to handle Parker, so Atlanta put Crawford on him, and he was able to stay with him. He actually does have excellent lateral quickness. I think his problems have been with physical guards (and lack of effort). With Wall, the Wiz could play Crawford against PGs.

[tontoz]

I hadn't thought about it before, but I wish Nick would make up his mind quickly, so that Crawford would be an option for the Wiz if Nick's offer is too high. While it's true that Crawford has a deserved bad rep for defense, there was one playoff series I recall - I think against San Ant - where Bibby just couldn't begin to handle Parker, so Atlanta put Crawford on him, and he was able to stay with him. He actually does have excellent lateral quickness. I think his problems have been with physical guards (and lack of effort). With Wall, the Wiz could play Crawford against PGs.

The only way Atlanta could play SA in the playoffs would be in the Finals. You must be thinking of someone else. Or maybe you are thinking of a different team Atl was playing against. They routinely tried to hide Bibby on defense.

Crawford is better defending against pgs than 2s but he still sucks due to his lack of effort.

[MF23]

Crawford being available isn't a surprise to me. I've been told FO's around the league don't like him. Makes sense how else do you explain him being productive and a journeyman?

[mhd]

Denver just got Brewer and Rudy for a 2016 2nd. Great trade for them. Also takes another potential suitor (Nuggets) out of the N1 sweepstakes.

[tontoz]

Denver just got Brewer and Rudy for a 2016 2nd. Great trade for them. Also takes another potential suitor (Nuggets) out of the N1 sweepstakes.

It also means that they aren't going to keep Afflalo. I think he is still available.

[dangermouse]

wrong thread

[Ruzious]

I hadn't thought about it before, but I wish Nick would make up his mind quickly, so that Crawford would be an option for the Wiz if Nick's offer is too high. While it's true that Crawford has a deserved bad rep for defense, there was one playoff series I recall - I think against San Ant - where Bibby just couldn't begin to handle Parker, so Atlanta put Crawford on him, and he was able to stay with him. He actually does have excellent lateral quickness. I think his problems have been with physical guards (and lack of effort). With Wall, the Wiz could play Crawford against PGs.

The only way Atlanta could play SA in the playoffs would be in the Finals. You must be thinking of someone else. Or maybe you are thinking of a different team Atl was playing against. They routinely tried to hide Bibby on defense.

Crawford is better defending against pgs than 2s but he still sucks due to his lack of effort.

True - it couldn't have been SA.

[verbal8]

I wonder if Barea's deal($19 million/4 years) is about the right price for Nick Young?

They had very similar PERs. Barea gets more assists and Nick Young scores a little more. Barea would seem to be a defensive liability, but opposing PGs only had a PER of 11.2 against him.

If the deal was structured well(the cap space this season for the first year and the rest flat or declining) I think it could be great for the Wizards and a fair one for Nick Young. Under that deal Young could be a great trade asset, if the Wizards decide to deal him.