Kevin Seraphin

[Illuminaire]

I think the strongest argument against Seraphin's production so far this year is the small sample size.

Aside from that, it's hard to be down on the guy... he's gotten better in almost every category possible. I hope he keeps it up and shows that it's not a statistical anomaly.

[Ruzious]

Seraphin had 12/5 against Philly with 3 blocks. He had 8/7 against the Cats. He had 6/6 with 2 blocks in only 18 minutes in the second Philly game. Are you saying those weren't good games?

I don't think they were particularly significant.

So what does that even mean? Were they good games or not?

If he plays well in garbage time it won't be "significant" since they lose big regardless. All he can be expected to do is play well when he is in the game no matter what the situation is.

It means what it means. They were insignificant. I'm not going to evaluate each game's performance. Maybe I exaggerated slightly or was - gasp - wrong. I didn't realize every comment on a message board would be taken literally - silly me.

[pancakes3]

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fine. the specific 3 games you quoted where seraphin was able to notch 20+ minutes but not more than 25 mins, when pace adjusted, resulting in a 15/10.5 average are pleasantly productive games for seraphin but more or less equal to Anderson Verajao's per-36 stats of 12/13 season averages.

but hey, you just asked what Ruz meant by that the stats/games aren't particularly significant. i gave you my interpretation of his answer. if you believe that the recent 3 games is a sign that seraphin is ready to slide into starters minutes, and will put up double doubles consistently then by all means, believe that. however, keep in mind that others are wary and justifiably so.

[tontoz]

I think the strongest argument against Seraphin's production so far this year is the small sample size.

Aside from that, it's hard to be down on the guy... he's gotten better in almost every category possible. I hope he keeps it up and shows that it's not a statistical anomaly.

That is certainly an issue but last year he shot over 70% from the line, showed a nice jump hook and physical defense.

I think Seraphins main problem is just inexperience. He hasn't spent nearly as much time on the court as the typical young NBA player. Plus he came to this country not knowing English so naturally he looked lost at times.

I also think some people here haven't paid much attention to him since he is frequently playing in garbage time.

[Bickerstaff]

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fine. the specific 3 games you quoted where seraphin was able to notch 20+ minutes but not more than 25 mins, when pace adjusted, resulting in a 15/10.5 average are pleasantly productive games for seraphin but more or less equal to Anderson Verajao's per-36 stats of 12/13 season averages.

but hey, you just asked what Ruz meant by that the stats/games aren't particularly significant. i gave you my interpretation of his answer. if you believe that the recent 3 games is a sign that seraphin is ready to slide into starters minutes, and will put up double doubles consistently then by all means, believe that. however, keep in mind that others are wary and justifiably so.

Given where he is in terms of development time, I think we should be pretty damn happy if Seraphin's putting up Varajao type numbers. It's crazy to me that people are saying he sucks because a great game for him at this stage is like as a bad game for a legendary player in his prime. There's nothing wrong with being a good but not great player, especially from someone who wasn't exactly a top-3 pick. Not everyone needs to be a Hall of Famer. Shades of gray, people.

[JonathanJoseph]

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fine. the specific 3 games you quoted where seraphin was able to notch 20+ minutes but not more than 25 mins, when pace adjusted, resulting in a 15/10.5 average are pleasantly productive games for seraphin but more or less equal to Anderson Verajao's per-36 stats of 12/13 season averages.

but hey, you just asked what Ruz meant by that the stats/games aren't particularly significant. i gave you my interpretation of his answer. if you believe that the recent 3 games is a sign that seraphin is ready to slide into starters minutes, and will put up double doubles consistently then by all means, believe that. however, keep in mind that others are wary and justifiably so.

Given where he is in terms of development time, I think we should be pretty damn happy if Seraphin's putting up Varajao type numbers. It's crazy to me that people are saying he sucks because a great game for him at this stage is like as a bad game for a legendary player in his prime. There's nothing wrong with being a good but not great player, especially from someone who wasn't exactly a top-3 pick. Not everyone needs to be a Hall of Famer. Shades of gray, people.

+1. I'm thrilled with Seraphin's development and would prefer to see him get every minute possible given that's what he needs most. He has a lower ceiling than Javale, but should be a much, much more fundamentally sound defensive player.

Seraphin's drive and finish with his left was a glimpse of real offensive potential. That elbow-jumper doesn't look like a fluke either. Seraphin will continue to get better with experience.

If you land a Andy Varajeo type with a mid 1st round pick, you've done quite well. Decent-to-good NBA big men do not grow on trees.

[dobrojim]

which player btw KS and JM has a higher ceiling depends on
how changeable you think the mental vs the physical aspects
of the game are.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Seraphin's block rate is almost identical to Javale McGee's FWIW.

I want to see them on the court together for a few minutes, just as an experiment.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Serraphin always looks like he's mad at someone on the floor. I really like that in a center.

I will never forget his initial press conference as a Wizard. Somebody asked him through his translator what Kevin thought his role would be with the Wizards. Dude's face lit up with a smile. He made a fist with his gigantic-looking hands and pounded his fist into his palm. Genuinely, he can be a scary young dude.

From that moment I knew I liked Kevin Seraphin as a draft pick!

If Flip Saunders had played Seraphin with Booker at C and PF, NOBODY would be laughing at the Wizards and calling the team a bunch of knuckleheads. Those guys scare the mess out of people. Too bad they couldn't earn minutes for Flip. Saunders isn't alone.

My pick Kenneth Faried can't sniff the court under another very respected coach, George Karl.

[tontoz]

Serraphin always looks like he's mad at someone on the floor. I really like that in a center.

I will never forget his initial press conference as a Wizard. Somebody asked him through his translator what Kevin thought his role would be with the Wizards. Dude's face lit up with a smile. He made a fist with his gigantic-looking hands and pounded his fist into his palm. Genuinely, he can be a scary young dude.

From that moment I knew I liked Kevin Seraphin as a draft pick!

If Flip Saunders had played Seraphin with Booker at C and PF, NOBODY would be laughing at the Wizards and calling the team a bunch of knuckleheads. Those guys scare the mess out of people. Too bad they couldn't earn minutes for Flip. Saunders isn't alone.

My pick Kenneth Faried can't sniff the court under another very respected coach, George Karl.

Now that i think about it i haven't seen to many guys try to contest Booker when he goes up for a dunk. Even if they did manage to block it with their limbs intact they would have to worry about what he would do to them afterwards.

One other thing i have noticed about Seraphin is that he doesn't bobble passes. There have been a few passes thrown his way recently that i was sure would bounce off him but he still caught them cleanly. Recently Vesely threw him a no look bullet from short range that i thought would bust him in the face but he caught it no problem.

[JonathanJoseph]

which player btw KS and JM has a higher ceiling depends on
how changeable you think the mental vs the physical aspects
of the game are.

I was headed in that direction (I think Javale's mental side is a near-fatal flaw) and would much prefer to trade McGee and give KS the bulk of the minutes. Ceiling/floor isn't the right paradigm for JM/KS, because JM's ceiling is ridiculously high even if there's little or no chance he'll ever reach it. I feel the same way about McGee as I do about Wall.

[no D in Hibachi]

I've come to eat a bit of crow on Seraphin. I've blasted him in the past, justifiably, but he's looked servicable resently. McGee always plays like a coward against Howard, but Seraphin drops the purse and mans up.

Looks like me eating a bit of crow was supremely pre-mature. Wow did this guy get taken to school by McGlore/Grey/Johnson. 0-3 with a couple airballs and all of 2 boards in 26 minutes. Just horrible, but he was still better than McGee.

[tontoz]

I've come to eat a bit of crow on Seraphin. I've blasted him in the past, justifiably, but he's looked servicable resently. McGee always plays like a coward against Howard, but Seraphin drops the purse and mans up.

Looks like me eating a bit of crow was supremely pre-mature. Wow did this guy get taken to school by McGlore/Grey/Johnson. 0-3 with a couple airballs and all of 2 boards in 26 minutes. Just horrible, but he was still better than McGee.

He did have 4 blocks. All game he had to rotate over to help other guys who got beat, leaving his man. The Raps had 68 pts in the paint. Nobody could stop them from driving.

[pancakes3]

He did have 4 blocks. All game he had to rotate over to help other guys who got beat, leaving his man. The Raps had 68 pts in the paint. Nobody could stop them from driving.

that's 5.5 blocks per 36!

[tontoz]

14/9 against the Lakers, shooting 7/8!

[7-Day Dray]

If he can get that catch-and-shoot jumper down pat, he can provide production instantly, I can can see him developing it. He's always had good touch around the basket and on his shot (even better than Booker). I think it's just a matter of repetition.

[rl25g]

remember, he's on the French National team.

He'll be playing organized basketball again this summer and is going to continue to improve his fundamentals.

I really like Seraphin.

[hands11]

Seems he was instructed to slow down on his offensive moves. That is what I get from the post game interviews.

I was wondering what happened to his post game. It looked like he had the tough from what I have seen of practice video, international games and here and there with the Wiz.

Here is to hoping that was the magic instruction to getting this kid productive and learning on the court. I was just about to give up on the kid. I expected more from him this year.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Kevin is a C. I know that is his best position. This is what DX said about Kevin about two years ago, right before he was drafted.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Fin ... aphin-3461

Seraphin clearly has things to work on. His activity level and intensity seem to fluctuate quite a bit from game to game (leading to some inconsistent performances), he has limitations stepping away from the basket, his ball-handling skills are crude, and his mid-range jumper is very much a work in progress – all hints that his future position is clearly center, where his bulk and length should compensate for the inch or two he lacks in prototypical size for an NBA 5-man.

That said, I wonder how long it will be before Kevin plays some minutes at PF?

Seems to me he's a lot like Antoine Carr. Carr played backup PF and backup C for the Jazz during the heyday of Stockton and Malone. Kevin is about the same size, just as mobile, and IMO Seraphin has a lot more offense than he's shown so far.

I've mentioned this a few times, but it is good to revisit an idea. McGee with Seraphin for a few minutes here and there is something I'd like to see. Booker is a better PF than either of them. I'm just mentioning this for the sake of "what if ..."

What if Kevin is nimble enough to not collect fouls or turnovers as a PF; and if McGee is smart enough to stand where PFs stand and space the floor? If they played together a few minutes here and there it would be an interesting experiment.

I still love Booker with Seraphin and foresee Seraphin pushing for a lot more minutes at C. I still want the Wizards to draft Anthony Davis and if not him, Thomas Robinson, to fill a void at PF.

Just thinking what if Kevin can play some PF?

[tontoz]

Seems he was instructed to slow down on his offensive moves. That is what I get from the post game interviews.

I was wondering what happened to his post game. It looked like he had the tough from what I have seen of practice video, international games and here and there with the Wiz.

Here is to hoping that was the magic instruction to getting this kid productive and learning on the court. I was just about to give up on the kid. I expected more from him this year.

He has a tendency to treat the ball like a hot potato. Over the last few weeks you could tell he was nervous with the ball and would frequently put up a shot before he got his feet under him. Just inexperience.