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Post#861 » by dobrojim » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:40 am

With the money he'll be making, he may be able to do both, not that
I necessarily recommend that path.
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Post#862 » by Severn Hoos » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:44 am

Was getting ready for dinner in the hotel room when the Vesely pick was announced. Needless to say - I was not happy.

Went to dinner with my in-laws and tried to be discreet about squinting to see the draft coverage, then gave up all pretenses as the Wiz pick got closer. Absolutely shocked when Singleton was still there at 15-16-17, sure we'd just miss out (AGAIN!) on the guy I really wanted. Then sure they'd pass on him, which would be even worse.

It will come as no surprise that I was beyond ecstatic when Singleton was the pick. Absolutely love his game, his attitude (taking names - great!), and his defense. I would have been satisfied if the Wiz took him at 6, so in my mind - Singleton was the Lottery pick and Vesely was the mid-first and I'm happy.

Mack is another guy who's hard-nosed, a winner. Not sure how many of that type they can keep adding, but I'm also happy with adding a guy like Shelvin. Only other guy I might have considered was Bertans, as we need shooting desperately and wouldn't mind a draft-n-stash.

So here's the best part - the Wiz should be among the teams that other teams least look forward to playing. Booker, Singleton, Mack will wear you down. Wall will wear out your PG trying to keep up with him. Vesely will try to dunk every chance he gets, and is long enough to make shooting difficult. (Imagine if McGee ever really got the basics of real NBA defense - how would anyone score on that team?)

I'm so tired of being the team everyone else licks their chops to play. They may leave the Phone Booth with a win, but they'll do it with a collection of bruises along the way.

And finally - just think how nice Jared Sullinger would look on that front line with Singleton, Vesely, McGee, and Booker.....
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Post#863 » by Severn Hoos » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:49 am

80sballboy wrote:http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=CZE&PlayerID=80430

She's 6-3 but my guess they won't be together after JV finds the pickings a little better in D.C. area. I guess she looks a lot better made up and with blond hair.


Did you see her stats?


No, I mean her stats on the basketball court.....

50% from three, 95% FT - can we sign her as a FA?
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Post#864 » by doc.end » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:49 am

80sballboy wrote:http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=CZE&PlayerID=80430

She's 6-3 but my guess they won't be together after JV finds the pickings a little better in D.C. area. I guess she looks a lot better made up and with blond hair.

That's not her.
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Post#865 » by The Consiglieri » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:52 am

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sfam wrote:I don't get the urge to dump Seraphin after one year. No thanks to giving up Seraphin, unless we keep the #18 and do Seraphin and the #34.


Me neither. From what I heard, mgmt was reasonably satisfied with KS's
progress last year. Unloading him after just one year would be premature.


I also like that Seraphin and Singleton provide defensive potential and defensive tenacity in the front court to go with the shot blocking and growing game of McGee. Seraphin was always going to be a long term investment, wasn't likely to pay off immediately. In the end he's a mid-teens draft pick that either proves a wise investment in three years, or like 75-80% of guys drafted in that zone, a flat out bust. Best to give it time, if he busts, well, we also have Booker, N'Diaye, Singleton, and Mack to develop, can't hit it out of the park with all of them (admittedly N'Diaye doesn't look like a genius investment right now either, but nobody's expecting to find Mutombo at slot 54 or thereabouts anyway).
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Post#866 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:56 am

doc.end wrote:
80sballboy wrote:http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=CZE&PlayerID=80430

She's 6-3 but my guess they won't be together after JV finds the pickings a little better in D.C. area. I guess she looks a lot better made up and with blond hair.

That's not her.


Unless it's another Eva Viteckova
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Post#867 » by 80sballboy » Fri Jun 24, 2011 4:59 am

And Seth Davis and Dave Aldridge gave the Wiz draft a home run on NBATV.. DA loves the team in comparison to where they were before in terms of knucklehead factor. He's obviously not a big fan of Dray.
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Post#868 » by pineappleheadindc » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:12 am

80sballboy wrote:
doc.end wrote:
80sballboy wrote:http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=CZE&PlayerID=80430

She's 6-3 but my guess they won't be together after JV finds the pickings a little better in D.C. area. I guess she looks a lot better made up and with blond hair.

That's not her.


Unless it's another Eva Viteckova



This is her:

http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cn ... rID=159408
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Post#869 » by pineappleheadindc » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:13 am

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I *think* this is her from a Facebook profile that's since been taken down. (Used Yahoo cache for it).
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Post#870 » by LyricalRico » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:19 am

80sballboy wrote:And Seth Davis and Dave Aldridge gave the Wiz draft a home run on NBATV.. DA loves the team in comparison to where they were before in terms of knucklehead factor. He's obviously not a big fan of Dray.


:nod:

DA even went so far as to say that Vesely was ready to start at the 4 right away and that Blatche would either "shape up or ship out". I also recall them saying that Vesely was a guy Wall wanted to play with.

I am loving this draft! :D
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Post#871 » by Illuminaire » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:26 am

It's growing on me. A Wall-Young-Singleton-Vesely-McGee lineup is long as hell, and possibly the most athletic starting five in the league. Can they score points? Probably not. Can they defend the heck out of the ball and dunk in transition twenty times a game? Oh yeah.

Our best case scenario involves all of those guys except McGee developing reliable jump shots out to three point range. I think Flip might send EG a fruit basket and tastefully written thank you card after this draft.
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Post#872 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:40 am

Severn Hoos wrote:Was getting ready for dinner in the hotel room when the Vesely pick was announced. Needless to say - I was not happy.

Went to dinner with my in-laws and tried to be discreet about squinting to see the draft coverage, then gave up all pretenses as the Wiz pick got closer. Absolutely shocked when Singleton was still there at 15-16-17, sure we'd just miss out (AGAIN!) on the guy I really wanted. Then sure they'd pass on him, which would be even worse.

It will come as no surprise that I was beyond ecstatic when Singleton was the pick. Absolutely love his game, his attitude (taking names - great!), and his defense. I would have been satisfied if the Wiz took him at 6, so in my mind - Singleton was the Lottery pick and Vesely was the mid-first and I'm happy.

Mack is another guy who's hard-nosed, a winner. Not sure how many of that type they can keep adding, but I'm also happy with adding a guy like Shelvin. Only other guy I might have considered was Bertans, as we need shooting desperately and wouldn't mind a draft-n-stash.

So here's the best part - the Wiz should be among the teams that other teams least look forward to playing. Booker, Singleton, Mack will wear you down. Wall will wear out your PG trying to keep up with him. Vesely will try to dunk every chance he gets, and is long enough to make shooting difficult. (Imagine if McGee ever really got the basics of real NBA defense - how would anyone score on that team?)

I'm so tired of being the team everyone else licks their chops to play. They may leave the Phone Booth with a win, but they'll do it with a collection of bruises along the way.

And finally - just think how nice Jared Sullinger would look on that front line with Singleton, Vesely, McGee, and Booker.....


Sev, also don't forget that the biggest, potentially the meanest (I see it in him), strongest guy on the team is Seraphin. He can't play well yet but he's a freakish athlete for a guy his size. He's a guy who just needs to stop being nice and go ahead a lay somebody out.

When those other dudes are being mean, they're not going to be too mean to Kevin. Honestly, people are writing him off too quickly IMO. He can defend the post positionally.
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Post#873 » by The Consiglieri » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:27 am

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nate33 wrote:I suppose EG has been a mixed bag with regards to trades. The Hinrich trades were good. The Booker trade was good. The Jamison dump was good. The #5 for Jamison trade was so so. The Butler/Haywood dump was bad. The Crittenton acquisition was bad. The Miller/Foye trade was horrible (especially after seeing Kahn dump Etan so easily afterwards).


Don't forget about Kwame for Caron. Total steal. And even getting Lewis for Arenas was a net plus when you consider the chemistry and cap ramifications.

You say mixed bag, I say much more positive than negative. :nod:


It's a mixed bag but the key for me has been that pre-EG, we pretty much couldn't draft a lick unless all the heavy lifting was done for us ('94, '95), in trades there were definitely a lot of misses, i hated the Jamison acquisition, hated the Miller/Foye deal, and said it at the time, didnt' like the Mavs trade, though I understood it, as it was the second to last tough move EG had to make to make up for a bad resigning (DeShawn), seems like since the last gasp effort to win 45 for Abe went down the toilet he's finally been operating like the old school EG that was a good team builder, if not a champion builder (and to be fair, as has earlier been mentioned, you don't get a champion unless you fall arse over feet into a HOF caliber uberstud via free agency or the draft). Two straight quality drafts, a serious of good old fashioned leonsis fire sale trades at the deadline and around draft day.

Everything's been going right. And we even managed to unload the horrendous Arenas deal. Judging by the way he was playing for the Magic, who cares if Lewis was a massive anchor, Arenas was a bigger one, and the Lewis contract is moveable, or we get to move on from it either way by the end of the '12-'13 season when we're actually set to try and become a contender. It all is going well now.

Still can't believe we lucked into a very angry Singleton, awesome, was a potential top 8 pick, and we get him at 18.

I just hope we don't get too good too fast, we still need to suck next year, i think we'll stink, i think we'll be a 25-35 win team, and it will be a deep draft, but we definitely need one more elite difference maker if we want to be better than the Hawks have been since the 'Nique days. That being said, I think EG is building this into an attractive team, hyper athletic, big, fast, athletic, and a great PG, it could be a destination.
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Post#874 » by The Consiglieri » Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:31 am

no D in Hibachi wrote:
dobrojim wrote:
Jay81 wrote:Ted says were drafting a white Euro guy

http://www.tedstake.com/


I'd put a lot more credence in what he said about letting the pros
run things when it comes to basketball decisions. And EG could have
asked him to generate yet more smoke which I suspect he would be
more than happy to do. He doesn't actually say what you said he said.

True, but I hate Ted's "joe the fan" argument on why picking a Euro is recipe for success. He mentions Pau and Dirk as prime examples why Euro picks work out. However, for every Pau I can name 10 Pecherov's, and for every Dirk I can name 10 Euro busts like Skitza. Its as straw man as staying Duncan stayed four years in college and became great so Nolan Smith and Singler will be great as well.



Totally reasonable and accurate takes, a more reasonable take from Ted might have been, "The college guys available at 6 would likely have gone 12-19 in any draft worth a damn, whereas guys like Johnny V, and Vesely are viewed as top 5-10 talents in virtually any recent draft, not just a draft that's horrid like this one. So we're not going to go the safe and mediocre route, to requote (with a twist) the late Wilde, "Were all in the gutter, but some of us are [aiming] for the stars."
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Post#875 » by The Consiglieri » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:30 am

nate33 wrote:
BYRDMAN RULZ wrote:I know its speculation, but anytime EG pulls a trade, I always feel like we got the short end of the stick.

A justifiable concern. EG hasn't done well with trades (except the draft day trade for Booker's rights was pretty nice).

Nevertheless, I can't escape the conclusion that neither Minnesota, Utah, or Washington seem particularly happy with the best player available at their respective draft position. A trade makes a lot of sense and I think it's likely that trade discussions are in the works. It really boils down to the details. How much incentive is required to move up?



Lets look back and enjoy the Hinrich trade. I don't think any of us in our wildest dreams could have believed we could have dealt V.V. and the willingness to swallow Hinrich's salary (apparently all we did right?) for a half season, and got back Seraphin (not sure what he is now, but a very well thought of, high upside prospect rated 15-20ish last year), Jordan Crawford, and freaking Chris Singleton. Takes a lot of edge off some of the awful trades i hate so much during the EG era (Jamison, the '09 draft day debacle, the mavs salary dump with butler for nada).
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Post#876 » by The Consiglieri » Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:48 am

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Serious or joking? Since he's taken over the Nats have had back to back incredible drafts, and probably would have done back to back to back if the big boys hadnt said, go cheap after Strass because he's gonna cost a ton to sign. The Nats hadn't had a quality draft before him since the expos days. He's done a brilliant job remaking the farm since Loria, and MLB and then Bowden finished turning it into a ghost town, and he actually helped turn the big league club into competence despite not having the pitching staff or the vets to have any expectation of doing so.

Riggs is the worst manager in major league history based on winning pct, and pythag winning pct for any manager thats managed more than 1000 games ever. He should have shut up and earned his deal. Agree with Bos. Not sure what you're on about and kinda hope you're joking.>>>> Nats rant over.
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Post#877 » by Dr Positivity » Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:26 am

Just popping in. One thing I'll say about the Wiz is you guys could wreck havoc in the passing lanes and getting a free 2 points off a steal. Wall and Vesely alone is a minefield every time you pass. I think that's the most underrated reason why Miami is great defensively. It's not so much that they force a lot of turnovers (they rank a shocking 28th in that stat), it's that they scare teams from making risky passes cause it's a missed shot + 2 pts against if they turn it over. I like Vesely more for the Wiz than other teams for that reason. Wall and Vesely is a mini Wade and Lebron in terms of a freak athletic duo with a little something extra on closeouts and on help d.

Overall I kind of feel Wiz and Tor fans are in the same boat, as usual. When I saw the Val pick on a TV at work my heart sank, I just think he's an unathletic, skinny, contact avoiding slug with no offensive skill outside hooks and layins within 3 feet of the basket, with virtually no way to get himself those shots in the NBA. But as the night goes on... I'm selling myself that he could bulk up and be a taller Varejao or Gortat which is harder to get than guards who can score if you give them the ball like Kemba, Knight, Jimmer, etc. Truth is I think the 3 studs in this draft everyone will have missed on are Burks, Motiejunas and Jackson, but the league was just out on them for reasons I don't understand. But between the rest of the guys, there's no real win here. A possible 13 and 7 energy passing lanes killing SF or a 10 and 10 C might be a good pick at 5/6 for us...
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Post#878 » by Hoopalotta » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:01 am

80sballboy wrote:Again, Vesely is not going to play a lot first year. You have Blatche at the 4, Rashard Lewis can play some there. Seraphin and McGee at the 5. Not great. But Vesely needs to get used to the NBA and the physical playHe definitely needs at least 10 pounds to play the 4. Heard Googs comparisons but that guy was jacked coming out of NC State (juiced?). This guy is a lot more wiry. I think he'll need a year or two. Singleton should have more impact his first year. Jany's only impact will be getting tutored on how to perform in dunk contest by Javale.


My prediction is that Rashard has played his last game for us and we Amnesty Ray-Gun him with both Vesley and Singleton then playing 20-ish minutes a game next year at the three.

It's not close to a lock, but I think there's a fair chance.
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Post#879 » by jangles86 » Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:35 am

The hardest part of this draft to swallow is that taking Vesely and Singleton has wiped out our chances of taking the following players in 2012:
Perry Jones
Quincy Miller
James Mcadoo
Harrison Barnes
Michael Gilchrist
Terrence Jones

But it does mean that these players will be on our list
Anthony Davis
Jared Sullinger
Brad Beal
Austin Rivers

(Obviously only guessing these players are eligible in 2012)
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Post#880 » by Zonkerbl » Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:07 am

Screw it, you know what? Let me be the first to say that Vesely will be a Hall of Famer. Yeah, you heard me. Y'all are a bunch of negative nellies, I think Jan will be the greatest Wizard to ever put on the uniform.

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