Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[TGW]

Things will get real interesting in five days. March 1st is when the free agents who signed in the offseason, like Nick Young did, can be traded.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/2/11/27 ... -on-trades

Between March 1st and the deadline, March 15th, I expect a lot of players to be moved by a lot of different teams.

From the Wizards I expect Nick will be moved. That 360 layup didn't endear him to the coaching and I'm pretty sure management won't want to commit to Young long term. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if McGee were traded. The GS rumor about McGee for Wright and Udoh sounds like the Wizards would that.

More than anything, I think moving Blatche should be imperative.

100% on point. Although Nick and Blatche are going to be the hardest players to move simply because Nick can veto any trades and Blatche is universally unwanted throughout the league. I would love to see a trade like the Hinrich trade last year, but I don't see anyone on the roster with that type of value outside of Mcgee and Wall.

[WizarDynasty]

ONly players in league i would even consider trading mcgee for is marc gasol and lemarcus aldridge. That's it.

[verbal8]

Here's a potential 3-way with NJ and Orlando....

Why for Orlando?

Get a slew of young talent for the inevitable departure of Howard. The core piece being the human highlight film that is McGee. Athletic bigs and recent former 1st round picks in McGee, Seraphin, Vesely, Singleton are the main selling point, as well as scoring guard Crawford, and Blatche who could be renewed with a fresh start.

It would be interesting to see those pieces added to a mid-level play-off team. I think the Magic would have to make a number of other deals, because they could not waive enough players to take all those players on.

[llcc25]

ONly players in league i would even consider trading mcgee for is marc gasol and lemarcus aldridge. That's it.

Pls tell me you're kidding. Lol

[J-Blaze]

we need to get austin daye off of detroit, he doesnt play much there and i still think he can become real good with his size and shooting

[BruceO]

I think if we keep going along the lines the franchise has been on for hyper athletic shot blocking types at each position. Dunkers etc like wall, nick, ves, mcgee i'm not suprised by the blatche for tyrus thomas rumours that started early feb just before tyrus got into a further slump and blatche got sat out. Their contracts are similar length with tyrus being 3 mill more. Tyrus production has been historically less but he may help defensively and had nine blocks against us earlier this year despite slump.

[BruceO]

Also was going to say. On the west coast when i look at the standings some teams are definitely in and others are borderline fighting for the last slot. So i expect moves to improve from houston, memphis, portland and minnesota so I'd look at those guys. I'd also assist on three ways involving dwight or bynum. I suspect no way dwight was going to be moved prior to an all star game in orlando. Imagine the backlash. Then teams like thunder have good results but need to get players to make a major playoff run

[nate33]

From the Wizards I expect Nick will be moved. That 360 layup didn't endear him to the coaching and I'm pretty sure management won't want to commit to Young long term. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if McGee were traded. The GS rumor about McGee for Wright and Udoh sounds like the Wizards would do that.

No it doesn't. Love him or hate him, EG's MO has been to fall in love with high-risk high-reward players. McGee remains that type of player as his upside is still that of an all star center. I say there's virtually no chance that McGee gets traded - not unless it's for somebody else with an all star upside. The only conceivably available guy I can think of would be Derrick Williams.

[BruceO]

I'd do that trade and make it ekpe who also has a lot of potential + wright ( top three point shooter who will help with spacing + 1st rounder for mcgee and turiaf. Then blatche for thomas. Ekpe mans the C for now. He is a good shooter, passer and shot blocker and we can have him at PF as well. Dorell will be who rashard used to be hitting threes, walls assists go up and spacing improves so numbers will go up for wall. Then 1st rounder can be turned into something while all our bigs are athletic

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

From the Wizards I expect Nick will be moved. That 360 layup didn't endear him to the coaching and I'm pretty sure management won't want to commit to Young long term. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if McGee were traded. The GS rumor about McGee for Wright and Udoh sounds like the Wizards would do that.

No it doesn't. Love him or hate him, EG's MO has been to fall in love with high-risk high-reward players. McGee remains that type of player as his upside is still that of an all star center. I say there's virtually no chance that McGee gets traded - not unless it's for somebody else with an all star upside. The only conceivably available guy I can think of would be Derrick Williams.

If McGee isn't traded by March 15th the likelihood of the Wizards losing him for nothing will be high.

[BruceO]

In my proposed trade i said warriors 1st rounder which they don't have but they do have the 34th current pick. I also didnt realize we also have mavs pick from tyson chandler trade. Around 53rd and knicks 2nd round pick in 2013. So soon we running out of roster spots but these guys can be packaged to move up. Trade goes down and we have depending on lotto current 2nd pick, 32nd, 34th and 53rd. Second rounders are three and can be packaged to move up giving us more roster space and better player

[BruceO]

In my proposed trade i said warriors 1st rounder which they don't have but they do have the 34th current pick. I also didnt realize we also have mavs pick from tyson chandler trade. Around 53rd and knicks 2nd round pick in 2013. So soon we running out of roster spots but these guys can be packaged to move up. Trade goes down and we have depending on lotto current 2nd pick, 32nd, 34th and 53rd. Second rounders are three and can be packaged to move up giving us more roster space and better player

[jivelikenice]

From the Wizards I expect Nick will be moved. That 360 layup didn't endear him to the coaching and I'm pretty sure management won't want to commit to Young long term. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if McGee were traded. The GS rumor about McGee for Wright and Udoh sounds like the Wizards would do that.

No it doesn't. Love him or hate him, EG's MO has been to fall in love with high-risk high-reward players. McGee remains that type of player as his upside is still that of an all star center. I say there's virtually no chance that McGee gets traded - not unless it's for somebody else with an all star upside. The only conceivably available guy I can think of would be Derrick Williams.

If McGee isn't traded by March 15th the likelihood of the Wizards losing him for nothing will be high.

Absolutely right. The FO has to make a decision on if they're committed to him for big dollars. If they're not then they have to move him. There will be a team out there that will throw a ton of money his way....

[TGW]

Guys...I'll say it again. Involving Vesely in deals is DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. He doesn't have that much value in the trade market, so including him in trades will not get the Wizards fair value in return. It would be much more prudent to keep him and develop him since he is young, cheap, has a good work ethic, and has the potential to get better. There is no risk in keeping him until his rookie scale contract is done.

Same goes for Crawford. Both of them are cheap young players with little trade value in the open market. We are better off keeping them, despite their obvious warts, until contract time is on the horizon.

[Dat2U]

Guys...I'll say it again. Involving Vesely in deals is DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. He doesn't have that much value in the trade market, so including him in trades will not get the Wizards fair value in return. It would be much more prudent to keep him and develop him since he is young, cheap, has a good work ethic, and has the potential to get better. There is no risk in keeping him until his rookie scale contract is done.

Same goes for Crawford. Both of them are cheap young players with little trade value in the open market. We are better off keeping them, despite their obvious warts, until contract time is on the horizon.

He'll never have any more value than he does right now. Develop him? Develop what? He's 21 going on 22. He has no define-able offensive skill! If he hasn't developed any as an experienced overseas professional, then what evidence is there to make you believe he's going to develop any skill now? I'm glad he has a good work ethic but so did Michael Ruffin and Jared Jeffries and they never developed any skill either.

In some cases it doesn't take years to tell someone is a complete bust. Many thought it was a terrible pick from the start. The only surprise is how little he's offered considering he was supposedly ready to step in and contribute right away.

The risk in keeping him is that he is what he is right now, which means he'll be headed back overseas in 3 or 4 years. Get something now while you can. If Vesely can help move Blatche, cut your losses and move on. And make sure Ernie doesn't get a chance to f*ck up our draft again.,

[Dat2U]

And Crawford is the leader of HERO Ball. If there's anyone else that I want gone as bad as Blatche, it's Crawford. We are better off without him in my opinion.

[miller31time]

Not saying I'd do this (due to injury history), but would we take the gamble on a S&T'd McGee for Andrew Bogut, assuming we don't land Davis with our draft pick?

[nuposse04]

Not saying I'd do this (due to injury history), but would we take the gamble on a S&T'd McGee for Andrew Bogut, assuming we don't land Davis with our draft pick?

I'd do it...worse comes to worse and Bogut gets injured again, we tank again and try for Muhammad. Kinda sad how I'm in a perpetual tank mode....

[jivelikenice]

And Crawford is the leader of HERO Ball. If there's anyone else that I want gone as bad as Blatche, it's Crawford. We are better off without him in my opinion.

Crawford is cheap and under team control for a couple of years. His shooting is coming around and he seems to be settling into a 6th man role. I'm weary on how he'll end up but there's not harm in keeping him around to see. He doesn't have much value in a trade right now (although if he's a throw in in a bigger deal I would include him to get it done)

[nate33]

From the Wizards I expect Nick will be moved. That 360 layup didn't endear him to the coaching and I'm pretty sure management won't want to commit to Young long term. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if McGee were traded. The GS rumor about McGee for Wright and Udoh sounds like the Wizards would do that.

No it doesn't. Love him or hate him, EG's MO has been to fall in love with high-risk high-reward players. McGee remains that type of player as his upside is still that of an all star center. I say there's virtually no chance that McGee gets traded - not unless it's for somebody else with an all star upside. The only conceivably available guy I can think of would be Derrick Williams.

If McGee isn't traded by March 15th the likelihood of the Wizards losing him for nothing will be high.

No it won't. The likelihood of being forced to overpay him would be high, but I'm confident that they'll match any offer rather than let him walk. Given the Wizards cap situation and the lack of free agents willing to play here, they're better off overpaying McGee than letting him go to a get a ton of cap space with no one to spend it on.