NBA Games Discussion Thread - Part 2

[Youheardme90]

I was out of the house all day, so I recorded the Knicks vs Bulls game. Just watched it, well just the first half actually. New York sucks. Nobody's even trying. And it's not like they have incentive to tank, they will be sending Denver their pick.

There's no defensive effort. No help on D. Nobody makes any effort. Noah took a board for Chicago and he, a center, dribbled to coast-to-coast for an uncontested jam. Nobody made an effort to stop the ball.

Tyson Chandler remains a pouting, lazy female dog whose primary attribute seems to be that he is tall. The Knicks collection of guards couldn't hold their own at Barry Farms. J.R. Smith .... SMH....I'm struggling to find words mean and crappy enough to describe his game. But the English language does not possess a single word that can combine stupid, self-possessed, uncaring, selfish, overrated, and dog poo.

Their coach lacks any self respect. When the Knicks went down like 19-4, he didn't bat an eye. I would lined up 5 completely new guys at the scorer's table. Popovich would done the same thing, but also skinned those dudes alive. Then, they'd be on the first plane out to Charlotte.

The current Knicks are an affront to the noble game of basketball. They are a franchise with a long and storied tradition. Their fan base does not deserve this disaster. I know in this situation, the normal thing is to fire the coach. The thinking is that you can't fire all the players. To which I respond: why not.

The Knicks are not going anywhere. They have one asset, Melo, who is going to jump ship at he end of the season (if he doesn't, he's crazy). Start the rebuild now. Unload everyone if there are any takers. If there's a team who has injured players with a shorter contracts or are hard working character guys, see if you can get them for any able-bodied Knick. Move everyone.

I am a basketball, primarily NBA basketball, fan. I don't have to watch the home town Wizards to enjoy watching a game. But I'm hereby on strike from watching any more Knick games. They're horrible to watch and I refuse to add to the ratings when they're on tv.

Are the Knickerbockers cursed ? This seems to happen every 3 to 4 years with them.

[Kanyewest]

^^^No one on Toronto roster has been to the playoffs

Lowry has been to the playoffs with that Yao Ming/Battier/Artest team that lost to the Lakers in seven games in the second round.

Physcho T, John Salmons, Amir Johnson, Novak, Vasquez, and Fields also have postseason experience.

[queridiculo]

Are the Knickerbockers cursed ? This seems to happen every 3 to 4 years with them.

Any 3-4 years? They've never recovered from that Isiah Thomas disaster.

[Youheardme90]

Are the Knickerbockers cursed ? This seems to happen every 3 to 4 years with them.

Any 3-4 years? They've never recovered from that Isiah Thomas disaster.

They have been semi decent the last couple years.

[montestewart]

Are the Knickerbockers cursed ? This seems to happen every 3 to 4 years with them.

Any 3-4 years? They've never recovered from that Isiah Thomas disaster.

They have been semi decent the last couple years.

The money they have to spend and the cachet of playing in NYC should get them a lot more than that. The problem is they got rid of Isiah Thomas but still have the same owner who allowed him to inflict the damage and doesn't seem to understand his own lack of acumen when if comes to building a contender. Wait a minute, which team are we talking about again?

[Youheardme90]

Any 3-4 years? They've never recovered from that Isiah Thomas disaster.

They have been semi decent the last couple years.

The money they have to spend and the cachet of playing in NYC should get them a lot more than that. The problem is they got rid of Isiah Thomas but still have the same owner who allowed him to inflict the damage and doesn't seem to understand his own lack of acumen when if comes to building a contender. Wait a minute, which team are we talking about again?

The Pistons

[Ruzious]

Any 3-4 years? They've never recovered from that Isiah Thomas disaster.

They have been semi decent the last couple years.

The money they have to spend and the cachet of playing in NYC should get them a lot more than that. The problem is they got rid of Isiah Thomas but still have the same owner who allowed him to inflict the damage and doesn't seem to understand his own lack of acumen when if comes to building a contender. Wait a minute, which team are we talking about again?

And NY's always been considered a team where rebuilding is not an option (rightly or wrongly), so when you totally mess up and then refuse to rebuild, you end up compounding the problem. It's a bit like the Bullets situation under Abe Pollin. Every year, he wanted the team to win a championship - no matter how unrealistic that was. There was no building for the future. So they got stuck in mediocrity for decades.

[montestewart]

And NY's always been considered a team where rebuilding is not an option (rightly or wrongly), so when you totally mess up and then refuse to rebuild, you end up compounding the problem. It's a bit like the Bullets situation under Abe Pollin. Every year, he wanted the team to win a championship - no matter how unrealistic that was. There was no building for the future. So they got stuck in mediocrity for decades.

Couldn't find the original, but several basketball sites have archived this story about MJ and Pollin, All the Kings Men, that originally ran in the Washington Post Magazine. My favorite quote:

He had sat for other meetings in Pollin's office, none more illustrative of their differences than the one that took place shortly before his last season as club president, in the autumn of 2000. Pollin had assembled Jordan, Wes Unseld, their assistants and Jordan's team of handpicked coaches, led by first-year head coach Leonard Hamilton, recently hired away from the University of Miami. One participant remembered Pollin launching into a pep talk, swiftly training his attention on the new coach. "Leonard, we are giving you three all-star players -- Mitch Richmond, Rod Strickland and Juwan Howard," Pollin said, before declaring that the team's talent meant it should make the playoffs and thrive. "I wondered," the participant recalled, "whether I should tell him that Mitch and Rod were old and shot, and that Juwan was grossly overpaid and no star. But I worried about getting in trouble if I said anything. I knew Abe didn't like dissent . . . just like Michael."

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showthread.php?t=9539

[Ruzious]

Wow, that's good stuff Monte - to be a fly on the wall in those meetings...

[MikeTheKid]

So Lebron got 61 points on 67% shooting against the Bobcats

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Illmatic21]

Lebron MVPed all over the Bobcats.. career high 61


And good lord Andre Drummond is something else. His last three games:

17 points, 26 reb, 3 blk, 2 stl vs NYK
16 points, 17 reb, 2 blk, 1 stl @ Houston
16 points, 17 reb, 2 blk, 3 stl @ Spurs


People talk about Anthony Davis (and deservedly so), but Drummond puts up equally ridiculous statlines. I would trade Beal three times over for him.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

With all of our draft whiffs, I can't get too jammed up about Beal over Drummond. Drummond may well pan out to be better than BB over the long run, but Beal, drafted third, is atleast top 4 in that class.

Let's compare that to Ves, Singleton and Otto. Are any of them in the top 30 of their class?

[Illmatic21]

^Not saying I don't like the Beal pick, it was a great draft pick. Just saying, you have Davis and Drummond from that draft, then everybody else.

Charlotte, Cleveland, Toronto certainly feel the sting of regret from that draft. Us, not so much.

[Illmatic21]

Apparently Bulls fans really don't want to play us in the first round:

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1307555

Can't imagine why, they have an utterly massive coaching advantage. I hope we face Brooklyn or Toronto

[pineappleheadindc]

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The Knicks are atrocious. Good take here.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F-4hg-YiqY#t=336[/youtube]

[closg00]

Lebron MVPed all over the Bobcats.. career high 61


And good lord Andre Drummond is something else. His last three games:

17 points, 26 reb, 3 blk, 2 stl vs NYK
16 points, 17 reb, 2 blk, 1 stl @ Houston
16 points, 17 reb, 2 blk, 3 stl @ Spurs


People talk about Anthony Davis (and deservedly so), but Drummond puts up equally ridiculous statlines. I would trade Beal three times over for him.

Just coming to post about Drummond, good lord did he abuse the Knicks last night. Granted, Chandler & Amare are on the decline, but still.

[Kanyewest]

The Knicks struggles were predictable going into the offseason. It looked like Tyson Chandler had lost a step in the Pacers series in the 2013 postseason. The Bargnani trade was terrible as well, the Knicks gave up a better 3 point specialist in Novak, which hurt more when they lost Copeland in free agency. The loss of Kidd hurt them in terms of setting up their offenses, although it was clear the Knicks weren't going anywhere towards a title with Kidd not making any shots. Perhaps the loss of Jason Kidd is the reason why JR Smith has regressed so much. Shumpert has not impressed me much since his knee surgery. Felton has struggled coming back from injuries and perhaps with his off court behavior.

Maybe Carmelo and someone else catch fire down the stretch but even getting to the postseason, which seems like a long shot, would still feel like a disappointment.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

Paul George---0-13--2 pts.---33 min---Pacers getting smashed off.

[deneem4]

Al jefferson has been on a rampage...what's his #s since the break?

[Illmatic21]

Memphis getting routed by Brooklyn. It looks like ZBo is out, why couldn't that have happened against us..