payitforward wrote:bealwithit wrote:Portland has a terrible cap situation and probably were not going to be able to re-sign Plumlee. Plumlee is a good player. Nurkic sucks. They get a 1st in a deep draft while Denver could end up losing Nurkic, Plumlee, AND the 1st if Plumlee goes elsewhere. Considering Plumlee will probably get paid big bucks by someone and Denver sucks... yeesh. Don't see why he would stay.
If Denver is this dumb, call em up right now lmao
I don't get your point, esp. given what you write.
Denver trades a guy you say sucks for a guy you call a good player. To make this happen they add a pick swap that will likely turn out to be @12 spots. Yes, this will be a strong draft, but that's still a statistically insignificant difference in pick situations. Especially given the fact that if you pick someone late in R1, you have to guarantee him.
How does this make Denver "dumb?" It's not like Plumlee is unrestricted at the end of the season -- they can give him a qualifying offer & match his best offer, or just sign him. They have tons of cap room. It's also not like Nurkic's development is a guaranteed thing either. For that matter, they may not have cap room to sign him year after next even if he does develop.
This is just two teams solving each other's short-term problem. It may not work out for either of them, or it may also work out well for both teams.
Yeah PIF, I didn't exactly analyze the trade right at first because I didn't know Plum was a RFA. I corrected myself later on in the thread. I think it's a good trade for both of them and I actually think Denver might end up on the better side of the deal because I really like that Jokic/Plumlee one two punch.
gambitx777 wrote:payitforward wrote:gambitx777 wrote:Here is the thing about that deal. Denver were the buyers and portland were the sellers. Nurkic only value in that deal is that he is a health cheap locked in contract at center. They traded plumlee because they know hes going to get about 16-20 mill next year on the open market and they don't want to pay him that. so they moved him.... Over all portland fleeced them. they got a young solid cheep big one cheap contract next year and a valuable pick in a valuable draft, for a big that while really good, they wanted to dump and not pay. portland won hands down. and Nurkic did not have the value they said he did, because they did not trade plumlee for nurkic. they traded plumless for the pick and got nurkic as filler for a 2018 seconds round pick which a denver poster just laughed at me about yesterday right here in this thread lol.
First point -- Portland has $134m+ in guaranteed salaries on the books for next year!! Not that they didn't want to pay Plumlee, they absolutely couldn't pay him!
Second point -- I don't think so. Not at all. Portland & Denver each had players they absolutely had to trade. If that weren't the case, I can't see why Portland would have let Plumlee go for such a late R1 pick. It's because right now Plumlee is more valuable than Nurkic that the exchange of picks was required in order to make the deal even.
Keep in mind that it's likely only an exchange of about a dozen spots in draft order, & that guys picked in the last @7 in R1 aren't any more likely to be successful in the league than guys picked in the top 10 in R2. Compare for yourself over the last 5 years.
This deal was good for both parties.
I think thats flawed logic piff, its a different draft. that guy they gave up might be something he might not but. still a 2017 first for a guy you now have to turn around and pay 16 mill + for. thats a bit high of a price. Nurkic was worth the second that im not arguing with. it was basically 2 trades. Plumlee for a first and a second for nurkic. And they could have paid him. if they wanted to go into the tax, the can go over to match offers on restricted free agents like we are going to with otto. But they did not want to do that and I don't blame them.
Paying a lot for your back-up center sounds familiar don't it? If Plumlee gets that he's getting paid basically the exact same as Mahinmi, which would be a bargain. Plumlee is better than Mahinmi on both ends of the floor.
!! I don't like trading R2 picks (well... any picks!). But... dumping that Mahinmi salary... whooo, that'd be big.
