Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[pcbothwel]

As for --

"...I'll gladly 5-6 guys out of: Treveon Graham, Devin Harris, Channing Frye, Amir Johnson, Jeff Green, Jerebko, Casspi, Vonleh, Lawson, Looney, etc...." "...plus Devin Robinson."

-- good Lord, man.... Just for starters, Looney is still with GS. Amir Johnson is still with the Sixers, Casspi is on Memphis, Jerebko is on Golden State, Vonleh is on the Knicks, Harris is still at Dallas, Frye is still a Cav, and Treveon Graham is on the Nets -- so, no, you won't take a single one of them.

Let me see... who does that leave? Oh, there he is -- Jeff Green. You'll take Jeff, or I mean you've already taken him. "Plus Devin Robinson."

Jeff Green is a marginal player, more or less comparable to Mike Scott (you like him too, don't you?). He's never had a single "good" season in his entire career. And at 23.5 years old (his half birthday is tomorrow), Devin Robinson has done nothing to make anyone (but you, I guess?) think he's an NBA player.

Duuuudddeee. You are killing me.
I was listing UFAs that signed Min deals this summer. No **** they are on teams now in September, but every SINGLE one of them was a UFA in July.
The same thing will happen next year, and the year after that...
My point is, you can build the 8-14 spots on the roster with these types.

[payitforward]

I realize you might have thought that what I meant was that it would be impossible to assemble a good NBA team only out of guys making the vet min & guys on rookie contracts.

That's right -- it would be impossible. But, not because of the players. It would simply be impossible to assemble them.

Lets suppose you & I & the rest of this board were charged with putting together an expansion NBA team. Lets suppose further that we could take from each team either 1 player or a future R1 pick owned by the team -- with the only limitation being that every player we took had to be either a vet min players or else on a rookie contract.

Without going through the exercise, it's obvious to me -- I assume to you as well -- that we could build quite a good team.

Might make an interesting thread on the Board -- help fill the time until training camp begins?

[payitforward]

...Duuuudddeee. You are killing me.
I was listing UFAs that signed Min deals this summer. No **** they are on teams now in September, but every SINGLE one of them was a UFA in July.
The same thing will happen next year, and the year after that...
My point is, you can build the 8-14 spots on the roster with these types.

You would be able build a lot more spots than that! But, that's not what GS did.

Moreover, all you are talking about is how many good NBA players there are & how good FOs are at sorting/sequencing them. For sure, there are good enough players.

But, that's a different question from one about what one could actually do with respect to those players. You seem to assume that any team could pick the 7 guys it liked best among all vet min UFAs in the league and sign them. No. As I demonstrated.

You also seem to suggest that we are that "any team." That's just wrong. When the off season began, we had 11 guys on guaranteed contracts. We added #12 in R1 of the draft. We traded one guaranteed contract for another more or less identical one (Gortat for Rivers). We signed Howard, putting us at 13.

We were in a position to fill roster spots 14 through 14. 1 roster spot. Which we did by signing one of your recommended guys. We signed Jeff Green. Would it have been better to look at your list, pick the best guy on it (find someone even better whom you might have overlooked) & sign him instead of Jeff Green? Of course.

But that's not an empirical statement. It's not about anything in the real world. It's just saying that it's better to have better players. Which is true by definition.

The idea that we could sign 5-6 of the guys on your vet min list is ludicrous. Kevon Looney is going to move all the way across the country so he can play for the Wizards & Scott Brooks instead of playing for GS? What is going to make Amir Johnson want to move 100 miles down the road to play for the exact same salary as he can get w/o calling the movers -- from a team w/ at least an outside chance at a title? Ditto Channing Frye moving 500 miles from Cleveland to earn the same dollar here? Would Jerebko prefer to play for the Washington Wizards or for the Golden State Warriors?

Omri Casspi is a better player than Jeff Green, & I'll give you that we might have been able to sign him. We signed Green before Memphis signed Casspi, so why not? Then again, you haven't said that you'd prefer Casspi over Green.

Really, what is your point? Yes, there are plenty of good players available every year. So?

[Sactowndog]

I may need to redo the math. But lets also start with the same parameters. I have the Cap at 109M and the Lux tax at 132M.
I have Wall, Beal, Porter, and Troy at 95.37M
Add Dwight option and you're at 101M
Add Oubre and Sato for 20M and you're at 121M
So that leaves us with about 10M to add 7 guys.

That is our entire starting lineup and our two primary backups in Sato and Brown. Include Bryant too and that is a solid 8 man rotation.

Again, look at teams like GS, Houston, etc. You pay 7 guys and then Vet Min/Cheap rookies with the rest.
You give me those 8 players (plus Devin Robinson at 1.6M) and ill gladly take 5-6 guys out of:
Treveon Graham, Devin Harris, Channing Frye, Amir Johnson, Jeff Green, Jerebko, Casspi, Vonleh, Lawson, Looney, etc.

Not an ideal situation, but doable.

Except the Kings will pay Oubre more than 10. The could easily offer 60M over 3 years and not hurt their cap structure in the least.

We are not assuming 10M, but simply 20M total for him and Sato.
I am assuming a 4/60M deal, which would have a starting salary of about 13.5M.

Right except the Kings will have to offer more than 13.5 just to reach the minimum salary level. I would assume the Kings would offer a starting salary of 20-22M that declines slightly over 3 years.

Whatever your scenario I would assume 20M for Oubre alone.

[Sactowndog]

Ehhh... Maybe. But that is really counting on too many variables. Do you really think giving Kelly Oubre 3/60M is going to make your team that much better? Again, he's an RFA so you'll have to overpay slightly to get him.

You also run the risk of of us simply waiting until the summer to dump Mahinmi and our 1st then. Yes, we would need to stay out of the tax, but if we dump our 1st and Mahinmi then we would have about 20M to sign Sato & Oubre and stay under the tax

Correct me if I’m wrong but not many teams have the open salary space to dump Mahinmi than us. So where would you dump him and get no salary back?

As for us, we have a veritable Black hole at the 3 and I don’t think Butler is coming. At the 4/5 we have Giles, Skal, Bagley, Bjelica all under contract. Maybe we keep Willie. At 2 Guard we have Hield and Bogdanovic. At point, we have Fox and Ferrell.

At the 3 we have Justin Jackson. Unless you think Bagley can play the 3, I would say yes Oubre might be worth 20M a year to get him.

[pcbothwel]

1) Playing time and being on a top 4 seed is REALLY appealing... Ask Dwight. Say what you want about Howard, but he could of made 5M in a ton of places. We have a vibrant city, roster in their prime thats a top 4-5 seed, and minutes to play. Im not saying the 11th & 12th man will be great vets. But plenty will want to be the 8th/9th man on that team.
The last spots are players needing a job and/or like the area. Ty Lawson, Green, Frye, Graham.

2) Im becoming more and more convinced that trading Sato/Oubre to dump Mahinmi is the best option.
A) it allows us to keep our 1st and get another much needed cheap asset, and
B) because the money saved from resigning them could be used towards the MLE where I see some solid potential for win now vets in their prime (I.E. Aminu, Tyreke, KCP, maybe Morris for cheap)

[Sactowndog]

1) Playing time and being on a top 4 seed is REALLY appealing... Ask Dwight. Say what you want about Howard, but he could of made 5M in a ton of places. We have a vibrant city, roster in their prime thats a top 4-5 seed, and minutes to play. Im not saying the 11th & 12th man will be great vets. But plenty will want to be the 8th/9th man on that team.
The last spots are players needing a job and/or like the area. Ty Lawson, Green, Frye, Graham.

2) Im becoming more and more convinced that trading Sato/Oubre to dump Mahinmi is the best option.
A) it allows us to keep our 1st and get another much needed cheap asset, and
B) because the money saved from resigning them could be used towards the MLE where I see some solid potential for win now vets in their prime (I.E. Aminu, Tyreke, KCP, maybe Morris for cheap)

Just curious how you plan to do that? Here is the link on salary cap by team.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Notice only one team has the space to absorb Mahinmi. Why would we give 16M to Mahinmi when we can just offer it plus 4M more for Oubre alone and not have to give up an asset.

Particularly if someone like Portland might well give us Turner and a 1st for our cap space. That gives us a first and plenty of space to offer Oubre.

[pcbothwel]

1) Playing time and being on a top 4 seed is REALLY appealing... Ask Dwight. Say what you want about Howard, but he could of made 5M in a ton of places. We have a vibrant city, roster in their prime thats a top 4-5 seed, and minutes to play. Im not saying the 11th & 12th man will be great vets. But plenty will want to be the 8th/9th man on that team.
The last spots are players needing a job and/or like the area. Ty Lawson, Green, Frye, Graham.

2) Im becoming more and more convinced that trading Sato/Oubre to dump Mahinmi is the best option.
A) it allows us to keep our 1st and get another much needed cheap asset, and
B) because the money saved from resigning them could be used towards the MLE where I see some solid potential for win now vets in their prime (I.E. Aminu, Tyreke, KCP, maybe Morris for cheap)

Just curious how you plan to do that? Here is the link on salary cap by team.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Notice only one team has the space to absorb Mahinmi. Why would we give 16M to Mahinmi when we can just offer it plus 4M more for Oubre alone and not have to give up an asset.

Particularly if someone like Portland might well give us Turner and a 1st for our cap space. That gives us a first and plenty of space to offer Oubre.

I’m quite aware of the salary cap and that the kings are the only one with raw space.

You’re making a few assumptions
1) that Oubre would accept an offer sheet from the kings over other teams

2) that we won’t match

Having his RFA rights means you definitely end up saving money while also guaranteeing you get him. You can then add major UFA each of the next two offseasons.



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[Sactowndog]

1) Playing time and being on a top 4 seed is REALLY appealing... Ask Dwight. Say what you want about Howard, but he could of made 5M in a ton of places. We have a vibrant city, roster in their prime thats a top 4-5 seed, and minutes to play. Im not saying the 11th & 12th man will be great vets. But plenty will want to be the 8th/9th man on that team.
The last spots are players needing a job and/or like the area. Ty Lawson, Green, Frye, Graham.

2) Im becoming more and more convinced that trading Sato/Oubre to dump Mahinmi is the best option.
A) it allows us to keep our 1st and get another much needed cheap asset, and
B) because the money saved from resigning them could be used towards the MLE where I see some solid potential for win now vets in their prime (I.E. Aminu, Tyreke, KCP, maybe Morris for cheap)

Just curious how you plan to do that? Here is the link on salary cap by team.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Notice only one team has the space to absorb Mahinmi. Why would we give 16M to Mahinmi when we can just offer it plus 4M more for Oubre alone and not have to give up an asset.

Particularly if someone like Portland might well give us Turner and a 1st for our cap space. That gives us a first and plenty of space to offer Oubre.

I’m quite aware of the salary cap and that the kings are the only one with raw space.

You’re making a few assumptions
1) that Oubre would accept an offer sheet from the kings over other teams

2) that we won’t match

Having his RFA rights means you definitely end up saving money while also guaranteeing you get him. You can then add major UFA each of the next two offseasons.



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Perhaps... true we might not sign him but I think we might rather trade you WCS for Oubre straight up.

[dckingsfan]

Just curious how you plan to do that? Here is the link on salary cap by team.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Notice only one team has the space to absorb Mahinmi. Why would we give 16M to Mahinmi when we can just offer it plus 4M more for Oubre alone and not have to give up an asset.

Particularly if someone like Portland might well give us Turner and a 1st for our cap space. That gives us a first and plenty of space to offer Oubre.

I’m quite aware of the salary cap and that the kings are the only one with raw space.

You’re making a few assumptions
1) that Oubre would accept an offer sheet from the kings over other teams

2) that we won’t match

Having his RFA rights means you definitely end up saving money while also guaranteeing you get him. You can then add major UFA each of the next two offseasons.

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Perhaps... true we might not sign him but I think we might rather trade you WCS for Oubre straight up.

Yo Sactowndog! You are right that Sac should wait. No rush for you guys as you see which of your wings pan out (or don't). And if you are going to take Mahimni, there needs to be something associated that you want (Oubre or more?). And Sac should take the best offer for that open cap space (against assets).

Having said all that - WCS for Oubre makes no sense for the Wizards. We are trying to dump bigs. And yes, you guys will be in great shape with your bigs in two years with Bagley, Bjelica, Giles, Labissiere and Davis. We both think that Fox is going to go the right way over the next two years - so wings it is...

There does seem to be a trade between the two teams that would benefit both. Probably Wall or Beal and Mahimni but knowing the two FOs - probably never happen.

[pcbothwel]

Just curious how you plan to do that? Here is the link on salary cap by team.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Notice only one team has the space to absorb Mahinmi. Why would we give 16M to Mahinmi when we can just offer it plus 4M more for Oubre alone and not have to give up an asset.

Particularly if someone like Portland might well give us Turner and a 1st for our cap space. That gives us a first and plenty of space to offer Oubre.

I’m quite aware of the salary cap and that the kings are the only one with raw space.

You’re making a few assumptions
1) that Oubre would accept an offer sheet from the kings over other teams

2) that we won’t match

Having his RFA rights means you definitely end up saving money while also guaranteeing you get him. You can then add major UFA each of the next two offseasons.



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Perhaps... true we might not sign him but I think we might rather trade you WCS for Oubre straight up.

Im sure you would

ZERO interest.
Also, if you play hard ball then we could just move him to another team.
No need to over complicate things. That would be a real good package that makes you better now and moving forward. If you get a better offer at the deadline, take it... but I dont see what other teams pays you a premium for your space.

PDX and Miami maybe, but they are about 7M over and could probably get under w/o having to go through you'll. They are also both treadmill teams and might start blowing it up here soon.

[youngWizzy]

How much does Dallas value Dwight Powell? There has to be some way to get Powell while also getting rid of Mahinmi.

Maybe Mahinmi, 2019 1st for Dwight Powell and Maxi Kleber?

Wall/Satoransky
Beal/Rivers/Meeks
Porter/Oubre/Brown
Morris/Green/Kleber/Smith
Howard/Powell/Bryant

[Sactowndog]

I’m quite aware of the salary cap and that the kings are the only one with raw space.

You’re making a few assumptions
1) that Oubre would accept an offer sheet from the kings over other teams

2) that we won’t match

Having his RFA rights means you definitely end up saving money while also guaranteeing you get him. You can then add major UFA each of the next two offseasons.

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Perhaps... true we might not sign him but I think we might rather trade you WCS for Oubre straight up.

Yo Sactowndog! You are right that Sac should wait. No rush for you guys as you see which of your wings pan out (or don't). And if you are going to take Mahimni, there needs to be something associated that you want (Oubre or more?). And Sac should take the best offer for that open cap space (against assets).

Having said all that - WCS for Oubre makes no sense for the Wizards. We are trying to dump bigs. And yes, you guys will be in great shape with your bigs in two years with Bagley, Bjelica, Giles, Labissiere and Davis. We both think that Fox is going to go the right way over the next two years - so wings it is...

There does seem to be a trade between the two teams that would benefit both. Probably Wall or Beal and Mahimni but knowing the two FOs - probably never happen.

Fair comment DCKingsfan. For Porter we would probably take Mahinmi in a heartbeat but I get why Wiz fans don’t want to lose him. I would rather have Porter than Beal.

Not trying to sell you on WCS just not sure why we would eat Minhinmi’s salary for Oubre when we can likely bid on him in July at a number the Wiz would struggle to match.

[Sactowndog]

I’m quite aware of the salary cap and that the kings are the only one with raw space.

You’re making a few assumptions
1) that Oubre would accept an offer sheet from the kings over other teams

2) that we won’t match

Having his RFA rights means you definitely end up saving money while also guaranteeing you get him. You can then add major UFA each of the next two offseasons.



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Perhaps... true we might not sign him but I think we might rather trade you WCS for Oubre straight up.

Im sure you would

ZERO interest.
Also, if you play hard ball then we could just move him to another team.
No need to over complicate things. That would be a real good package that makes you better now and moving forward. If you get a better offer at the deadline, take it... but I dont see what other teams pays you a premium for your space.

PDX and Miami maybe, but they are about 7M over and could probably get under w/o having to go through you'll. They are also both treadmill teams and might start blowing it up here soon.

That’s fine. The Kings I’m sure are pefectly content to wait until free agency and make an offer then. Who you going to move Oubre for? He’s a restricted free agent and no other teams have cap space?

[dckingsfan]

Perhaps... true we might not sign him but I think we might rather trade you WCS for Oubre straight up.

Yo Sactowndog! You are right that Sac should wait. No rush for you guys as you see which of your wings pan out (or don't). And if you are going to take Mahimni, there needs to be something associated that you want (Oubre or more?). And Sac should take the best offer for that open cap space (against assets).

Having said all that - WCS for Oubre makes no sense for the Wizards. We are trying to dump bigs. And yes, you guys will be in great shape with your bigs in two years with Bagley, Bjelica, Giles, Labissiere and Davis. We both think that Fox is going to go the right way over the next two years - so wings it is...

There does seem to be a trade between the two teams that would benefit both. Probably Wall or Beal and Mahimni but knowing the two FOs - probably never happen.

Fair comment DCKingsfan. For Porter we would probably take Mahinmi in a heartbeat but I get why Wiz fans don’t want to lose him. I would rather have Porter than Beal.

Not trying to sell you on WCS just not sure why we would eat Minhinmi’s salary for Oubre when we can likely bid on him in July at a number the Wiz would struggle to match.

And that is also a very fair point - there really isn't a good reason to do that. You would rather woo him in FA and see if he wants to be there. Also, you kind of want to see which of your wings are worth going forward with...

Now, if it was Mahimni and the Wiz first - I think you jump on that... but I don't see that coming either - but it could if the Wizards start out poorly. But then they move Oubre and Satoransky to other teams as well.

[pcbothwel]

That’s fine. The Kings I’m sure are pefectly content to wait until free agency and make an offer then. Who you going to move Oubre for? He’s a restricted free agent and no other teams have cap space?

Having RFA rights is big.
I dont want to bash your team, really. But I dont get what you or others think SAC has to offer...
You are about to head into one of the biggest FA summers ever as far as cash goes.
Look at the selling points:
- Money: Sorry, but everyone (But us...lol) has some next summer
- Recent History: Kings have been terrible for 10+ years. Not good
- Market: Small market, no history of winning, and in the West
- Positional need: Every team needs wings... nothing special
- Roster: Bad team w/o a "Cant Miss" player...

That last one is important, because its what puts you below a team like the Suns. The first 5 points could be said about PHX as well, but they have Booker and Ayton.
I just dont see how Oubre takes your offer over Brooklyn, Suns, Mavs, LAC, NYK, Bulls, or Orlando.
Unless of course you clearly offer the most money... a problem that would be mitigated if you had his RFA rights.

Again, I dont want to bash your team, but your main selling points are Fox and Bagley. Fox is young, but he was AWFUL last year by any measurement and appears to be a poor mans John Wall... and even Wall has trouble in the modern NBA (PGs that arent great scorers/shooters)
Bagley seems ok, but there are real concerns about him in regards to shooting as well... thats a bad problem to have in the modern NBA as they both seem a better for the previous generation.

Again, no worries here. plenty of teams would happily trade for Oubre, especially ones w/o cap space next summer and want his bird rights (I think NOP happily gives us their 1st and some tax relief at the deadline)

[barelyawake]

Ok Doc, here’s my deal (such that it is). Sorry for late response. I’ve been running off fumes and pure Eminem response anticipation for two days now. Of course, we have always agreed on the game slowing down in the playoffs. It’s the main reason (along with playoff reffing being decidedly star protecting), that I find regular season stats somewhat trivial (especially when talking about vets who pace themselves and go all out in the playoffs that matter).

And obviously I think Wall wants what you are saying, a team based around giving Wall the lane. I don’t think that should be our primary goal. I think that iso Wall ought to be maybe the third or fourth weapon in our arsenal. That will help Wall when he loses a step, by broadening his game. It will help limit the number of times Wall has to sprint at top speed (helping avoid injury and helping Wall save energy for defense). And a pass moves faster than Wall can anyway, as the old Celtics used to say. Quicken the pace on the defensive and fast break portions, and in the half-quart allow someone else to create their own shot a few times to give Wall a break. MIllsap can create his own shot. And I believe at his peak, Oubre will be able to better do so than Beal.

I keep arguing this, though I know this trade won’t happen (and in truth maybe, MAYBE, MIllsap is a couple years too old for this trade), but for the sake of doing the puzzle... You say Bosh, I say I want Marc Gasol instead of Howard. I want AD. I wanted Horford and Aldridge (whom, btw, a few here said were “done”). I wanted to draft Gobert and Drummond. Jokic and Wall would be a sight to see. But, here’s my bit on MIllsap.

First, trading Beal gets rid of the Wall/Beal subtle jockeying, and brings in a leader who takes the focus off Wall-Howard. And I mean on and off the court. Howard will be on his best behavior for awhile, but eventually something will make it so we are happy we have another big with leadership skills around. Next, you talked about the bench. Check this rotation:

Wall
Oubre
Porter
MIllsap
Howard

Wall
Sato
Oubre
Porter
Millsap
(There’s your clear the lane for Wall line-up. If Wall and Sato could get a connection going where they roam off ball anticipating the others’ passes, that would be something).

Sato
Rivers
Oubre
Green
Howard

Sato
Rivers
Porter
Millsap
Howard

Wall
Brown
Oubre
Green
Millsap

Even better if we keep Morris.

OK that’s enough about this trade that will never happen. Still want my big who is a leader. Now, back to hitting refresh on my “Eminem diss” YouTube search. I’m so hoping he goes full Shady on the Pac-Man theme, like with full-production video game sound effects. Total flashback. I hope he even bleaches the hair for the video. Come on, Marshall. You want to take on the world and singlehandedly change the course of a music back to its roots, then you better knock this one out the park. You got people lookin’.

[Sactowndog]

Yo Sactowndog! You are right that Sac should wait. No rush for you guys as you see which of your wings pan out (or don't). And if you are going to take Mahimni, there needs to be something associated that you want (Oubre or more?). And Sac should take the best offer for that open cap space (against assets).

Having said all that - WCS for Oubre makes no sense for the Wizards. We are trying to dump bigs. And yes, you guys will be in great shape with your bigs in two years with Bagley, Bjelica, Giles, Labissiere and Davis. We both think that Fox is going to go the right way over the next two years - so wings it is...

There does seem to be a trade between the two teams that would benefit both. Probably Wall or Beal and Mahimni but knowing the two FOs - probably never happen.

Fair comment DCKingsfan. For Porter we would probably take Mahinmi in a heartbeat but I get why Wiz fans don’t want to lose him. I would rather have Porter than Beal.

Not trying to sell you on WCS just not sure why we would eat Minhinmi’s salary for Oubre when we can likely bid on him in July at a number the Wiz would struggle to match.

And that is also a very fair point - there really isn't a good reason to do that. You would rather woo him in FA and see if he wants to be there. Also, you kind of want to see which of your wings are worth going forward with...

Now, if it was Mahimni and the Wiz first - I think you jump on that... but I don't see that coming either - but it could if the Wizards start out poorly. But then they move Oubre and Satoransky to other teams as well.

Yeah I’m not sure we do Mahinmi and a Wiz first. We need a small forward badly and Oubre at best is a good target and at worst takes another team out with cap space looking for a SF. Washington is in a bit of a box and it’s to our advantage to keep them there.

[Sactowndog]

That’s fine. The Kings I’m sure are pefectly content to wait until free agency and make an offer then. Who you going to move Oubre for? He’s a restricted free agent and no other teams have cap space?

Having RFA rights is big.
I dont want to bash your team, really. But I dont get what you or others think SAC has to offer...
You are about to head into one of the biggest FA summers ever as far as cash goes.
Look at the selling points:
- Money: Sorry, but everyone (But us...lol) has some next summer
- Recent History: Kings have been terrible for 10+ years. Not good
- Market: Small market, no history of winning, and in the West
- Positional need: Every team needs wings... nothing special
- Roster: Bad team w/o a "Cant Miss" player...

That last one is important, because its what puts you below a team like the Suns. The first 5 points could be said about PHX as well, but they have Booker and Ayton.
I just dont see how Oubre takes your offer over Brooklyn, Suns, Mavs, LAC, NYK, Bulls, or Orlando.
Unless of course you clearly offer the most money... a problem that would be mitigated if you had his RFA rights.

Again, I dont want to bash your team, but your main selling points are Fox and Bagley. Fox is young, but he was AWFUL last year by any measurement and appears to be a poor mans John Wall... and even Wall has trouble in the modern NBA (PGs that arent great scorers/shooters)
Bagley seems ok, but there are real concerns about him in regards to shooting as well... thats a bad problem to have in the modern NBA as they both seem a better for the previous generation.

Again, no worries here. plenty of teams would happily trade for Oubre, especially ones w/o cap space next summer and want his bird rights (I think NOP happily gives us their 1st and some tax relief at the deadline)

Sure you are happy to bash the team but you are hardly alone so no need to apologize. Just for the record I think the main selling points will be Hield, Giles and Bogdanovic. But I also think it will take this season for that to become apparent.

To get out of the repeater tax you have to send out salary with none coming back. You don’t have a partner to do that.

[dckingsfan]

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Just being completely evil - but why not skip dealing with the Wizards and force them into the repeaters tax?