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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#861 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:31 am

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nate33 wrote:At this point, if Tyus Jones isn't interested in our MLE offer, I think I'd just sign Delon Wright to a 1+1 deal (team option).

This is where I am as well. I expect Tyus Jones to be too expensive and my second choice, Brogdan, is costly and oft-injured.

Wright has great size for a PG, is a very good defender and a decent 3pt shooter. Not much of an assist guy though.

I’d also make a play for Rubio. He was having probably his best year when he went down with a knee injury last season. The Cavs are reportedly hoping to resign Rubio.


I think Delon Wright would be a very solid addition.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#862 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:34 am

Maybe we can S&T Kuzma for Jones. Memphis is probably losing Kyle Anderson and could probably use another 4/PF.

Could sign Jalen Smith for the partial MLE afterwards.

Renouncing KCP is a no brainer IMO.

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#863 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:47 am

Delon Wright is a really good player. Much prefer him over Brogdon
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#864 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:54 am

NatP4 wrote:Delon Wright is a really good player. Much prefer him over Brogdon


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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#865 » by 9 and 20 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:04 am

Gill was a decent player for us last year. I saw the Wiz guaranteed him $2 mil. For a team that talks a lot about upgrading at the margins, that seems like maybe not a great decision, or at least a little quick on the trigger. Every year, there are guys who take minimum salary deals towards the middle and end of free agency. Wiz committing to Gill early on is like the other side of the coin of giving Beal his $250 mil. Stuck on mid, afraid to lose guys for nothing, even though they won't make that much difference at all (that fits for both Beal and Gill).
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#866 » by mhd » Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:17 am

9 and 20 wrote:Gill was a decent player for us last year. I saw the Wiz guaranteed him $2 mil. For a team that talks a lot about upgrading at the margins, that seems like maybe not a great decision, or at least a little quick on the trigger. Every year, there are guys who take minimum salary deals towards the middle and end of free agency. Wiz committing to Gill early on is like the other side of the coin of giving Beal his $250 mil. Stuck on mid, afraid to lose guys for nothing, even though they won't make that much difference at all (that fits for both Beal and Gill).



Kispert raved about him as a vet helping him as a rookie. Every time you'd watch the team, he's always cheering and keeping a positive attitude. Whenever he was called upon, Gill was ready to play. You need a 15th man willing to sit on the bench and not play, but at the same time, be ready to play. I have no issues signing Gill for 2 million for this season. Its not like we have cap room anyways. Gill seems like a good vet to have on the bench.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#867 » by closg00 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:00 pm

With Winston gone, we have a two-way spot open correct? Well, I hope Wiz staff will be scouring the SL footage to pinch one of the better players
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#868 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:34 pm

NatP4 wrote:Renouncing KCP is a no brainer IMO.

I disagree completely - particularly if we resign or S&T Beal and are operating above the cap.

First of all, KCP is partially guaranteed at $4.9M. So if you renounce him, you are saying you would rather pay $4.9M for an phantom player than pay $14M for KCP himself.

Secondly, KCP at $14M has trade value. He is a 3&D wing who can stay on the floor in the playoffs, the kind of player every team needs. More than anyone else on our roster, KCP is probably best suited to help a contender at the Trade Deadline. Teams will trade future picks for that. You can't trade him if you renounce him.

And finally, KCP is a pretty solid player on THIS team. There's nothing wrong with a reliable 3&D SG/SF who plays good defense, shoots 39% from 3 with a quick release, and has a good attitude in the locker room.

I suspect your concerns about KCP relate to his on/off differential. I've already explained to you that it's much harder for starters to maintain a positive on/off differential because they are going up against the opposition's starters. Deni Avdija has a negative on/off differential too whenever he plays alongside our starters against other starters. ESPN's RPM, which uses on/off but attempts to adjust for quality of teammates, ranks KCP as a substantially positive player, the 18th best SG in the league with an RPM of +1.8, significantly better than either Kispert or Avdija, BTW.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

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Re: Offseason Plan 

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#871 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:42 pm

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NatP4 wrote:Renouncing KCP is a no brainer IMO.

I disagree completely - particularly if we resign or S&T Beal and are operating above the cap.

First of all, KCP is partially guaranteed at $4.9M. So if you renounce him, you are saying you would rather pay $4.9M for an phantom player than pay $14M for KCP himself.

Secondly, KCP at $14M has trade value. He is a 3&D wing who can stay on the floor in the playoffs, the kind of player every team needs. More than anyone else on our roster, KCP is probably best suited to help a contender at the Trade Deadline. Teams will trade future picks for that. You can't trade him if you renounce him.

And finally, KCP is a pretty solid player on THIS team. There's nothing wrong with a reliable 3&D SG/SF who plays good defense, shoots 39% from 3 with a quick release, and has a good attitude in the locker room.

I suspect your concerns about KCP relate to his on/off differential. I've already explained to you that it's much harder for starters to maintain a positive on/off differential because they are going up against the opposition's starters. Deni Avdija has a negative on/off differential too whenever he plays alongside our starters against other starters. ESPN's RPM, which uses on/off but attempts to adjust for quality of teammates, ranks KCP as a substantially positive player, the 18th best SG in the league with an RPM of +1.8, significantly better than either Kispert or Avdija, BTW.


I mean, if your goal is to have a feel good season and make the play in tournament and maybe push some team to 6 games in round 1? Sure.

I would much rather save 9 million and play Kispert and Davis the extra 2000+ minutes that would be wasted on a highly mediocre unimpactful player. Not to mention, it gives them more space to be able to go and sign and trade for Tyus Jones or another PG and still use the MLE.

Obviously, the team has been shopping him all off-season and hasn’t found a deal yet/have chosen not to move him. If the team is in the playoff mix around the deadline this upcoming season, they still aren’t moving him.

RPM had Russell Westbrook ranked above Kyrie Irving and Dame Lillard, and Monte Morris above Jimmy Butler.

The deadline to renounce him has already passed though, so it is what it is.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#872 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:00 pm

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NatP4 wrote:Renouncing KCP is a no brainer IMO.

I disagree completely - particularly if we resign or S&T Beal and are operating above the cap.

First of all, KCP is partially guaranteed at $4.9M. So if you renounce him, you are saying you would rather pay $4.9M for an phantom player than pay $14M for KCP himself.

Secondly, KCP at $14M has trade value. He is a 3&D wing who can stay on the floor in the playoffs, the kind of player every team needs. More than anyone else on our roster, KCP is probably best suited to help a contender at the Trade Deadline. Teams will trade future picks for that. You can't trade him if you renounce him.

And finally, KCP is a pretty solid player on THIS team. There's nothing wrong with a reliable 3&D SG/SF who plays good defense, shoots 39% from 3 with a quick release, and has a good attitude in the locker room.

I suspect your concerns about KCP relate to his on/off differential. I've already explained to you that it's much harder for starters to maintain a positive on/off differential because they are going up against the opposition's starters. Deni Avdija has a negative on/off differential too whenever he plays alongside our starters against other starters. ESPN's RPM, which uses on/off but attempts to adjust for quality of teammates, ranks KCP as a substantially positive player, the 18th best SG in the league with an RPM of +1.8, significantly better than either Kispert or Avdija, BTW.


I mean, if your goal is to have a feel good season and make the play in tournament and maybe push some team to 6 games in round 1? Sure.

I would much rather save 9 million and play Kispert and Davis the extra 2000+ minutes that would be wasted on a highly mediocre unimpactful player. Not to mention, it gives them more space to be able to go and sign and trade for Tyus Jones or another PG and still use the MLE.

Obviously, the team has been shopping him all off-season and hasn’t found a deal yet/have chosen not to move him. If the team is in the playoff mix around the deadline this upcoming season, they still aren’t moving him.

RPM had Russell Westbrook ranked above Kyrie Irving and Dame Lillard, and Monte Morris above Jimmy Butler.

The deadline to renounce him has already passed though, so it is what it is.

- The $9M saved doesn't help when we are still over the cap. Either way, we have only the MLE to spend (assuming we retain or S&T Beal).

- I don't think it makes much difference in player development to play 32 minutes a game versus 24 minutes a game. Either way, you are getting regular minutes in a game setting. At least at 24 minutes, there is less wear and tear and therefore more time to work at full speed in practice sessions.

- It is not obvious that they are trying to trade KCP and have failed. Indeed, it seems rather obvious that they are NOT trying to trade him since they have been steadfastly supporting the retention of Beal in a futile effort to win now. I've seen enough interest in KCP on the trade board to conclude that teams will give value for him - a 2nd rounder at least.

If you want to argue that it's a bad idea to keep KCP because we should be tanking and developing talent, I agree. But in that scenario, the correct decision is to trade KCP, not cut him.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#873 » by WallToWall » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:16 pm

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Teams have tried to make him into a true PG. He has had some success at that, but I don’t consider him a true PG. He is more SG than PG. Still, given the way the Wizards seem to want to play (more than one ball handler on the court), he would fit in nicely. Combinations of Beal/ KCP/ Dipo / Smith/ Davis will be fine.
Dipo at PG, Beal at SG and Avdija at SF provide 3 ball handlers on the court. I would actually see Dipo taking the place of Ish Smith, and we would still need to go find a young true PG.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#874 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:23 pm

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Teams have tried to make him into a true PG. He has had some success at that, but I don’t consider him a true PG. He is more SG than PG. Still, given the way the Wizards seem to want to play (more than one ball handler on the court), he would fit in nicely. Combinations of Beal/ KCP/ Dipo / Smith/ Davis will be fine.
Dipo at PG, Beal at SG and Avdija at SF provide 3 ball handlers on the court. I would actually see Dipo taking the place of Ish Smith, and we would still need to go find a young true PG.

I'd like to trade Beal and have Dipo take the place of Beal.

Adding Dipo to a team with Beal would be the perfect #soWizards move. We draft a young, NBA ready wing to be Beal's understudy, and then immediately add a veteran to take all of his minutes and relegate him to the bench for an entire season.
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Re: Offseason Plan 

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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#876 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:06 pm

Going to assume Kuzma is on the move next. Seems like Sheppard is making all the right moves.
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Post#877 » by nate33 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:09 pm

NatP4 wrote:Going to assume Kuzma is on the move next. Seems like Sheppard is making all the right moves.

It does appear that Kuzma is being shopped.

I think there are deals where we could truly do the right thing and trade Kuzma for future picks. But I suspect Sheppard will do the wrong thing and trade Kuzma for a win-now vet (possibly Brogdon).
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#878 » by Gig18 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:20 pm

Kuz was the best rebounder we had last year, and made countless big shots. Kind of like his play, even though I can't tell if his shot-taking bravery is from confidence or just goofy-what-the-hell...
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#879 » by NatP4 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:22 pm

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Going to assume Kuzma is on the move next. Seems like Sheppard is making all the right moves.

It does appear that Kuzma is being shopped.

I think there are deals where we could truly do the right thing and trade Kuzma for future picks. But I suspect Sheppard will do the wrong thing and trade Kuzma for a win-now vet (possibly Brogdon).


Now he’s gotta move Kuzma and hopefully Barton and still has the MLE to use. Going to be a busy off-season.

Barton needs to go because he’s not good at all, and blocks minutes from Avdija, Kispert, and Davis on the wing.

I think Morris is the starter now, I don’t expect a Brogdon trade. They could still swing for the fences for Murray though.

I’m very curious to see how this all plays out
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Re: Offseason Plan 

Post#880 » by FAH1223 » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:27 pm

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Going to assume Kuzma is on the move next. Seems like Sheppard is making all the right moves.

It does appear that Kuzma is being shopped.

I think there are deals where we could truly do the right thing and trade Kuzma for future picks. But I suspect Sheppard will do the wrong thing and trade Kuzma for a win-now vet (possibly Brogdon).


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