Andray Blatche - Resurgence Thread ( Merged )

[hands11]

The vast majority of posters who want Blatche traded now would prefer it if he wizened up and played up to his potential. Their ire is entirely because he's had six years to do so and has steadfastly refused to improve much in either character or production.

I can understand the position of those who want to give Blatche another chance. I can't understand, though, the desire to gloat, paint others as haters, etc... when defending 'Dray.[/quote]

And just how would you benefit from him doing that if you traded him. Sorry. Logically. Given all the know factors and history of this team and Drays skills, size and production, the probable record of this team next year, where they are in the rebuild, the new CBA and his current trade value, it made zero sense to trade him before giving him another year.

Even if he doesn't live up to what he and we want, that would still be true. If he does, trading him will look down right foolish.

[Illuminaire]

And just how would you benefit from him doing that if you traded him. Sorry. Logically. Given all the know factors and history of this team and Drays skills, size and production, the probable record of this team next year, where they are in the rebuild, the new CBA and his current trade value, it made zero sense to trade him before giving him another year.

Even if he doesn't live up to what he and we want, that would still be true. If he does, trading him will look down right foolish.

I said I could understand the position of those who want to give Blatche another chance. You seem to have missed the point of my post entirely, which was to comment on the labeling tactics that have been used with fair regularity during this debate.

Also, JJ, I said he didn't "improved much." Which is basically the same thing you stated in your response. =P I think the "enough" wording is more accurate though, and will use that from now on.

[hands11]

And just how would you benefit from him doing that if you traded him. Sorry. Logically. Given all the know factors and history of this team and Drays skills, size and production, the probable record of this team next year, where they are in the rebuild, the new CBA and his current trade value, it made zero sense to trade him before giving him another year.

Even if he doesn't live up to what he and we want, that would still be true. If he does, trading him will look down right foolish.

I said I could understand the position of those who want to give Blatche another chance. You seem to have missed the point of my post entirely, which was to comment on the labeling tactics that have been used with fair regularity during this debate.

Also, JJ, I said he didn't "improved much." Which is basically the same thing you stated in your response. =P I think the "enough" wording is more accurate though, and will use that from now on.

I get that you say you understand that view. But am i correct in saying you don't share that view ?

[Ed Wood]

Making the arrogant assumption that I know exactly what's going on within Illuminaire's mind I'll jump in to say that I don't know how many here are of the flat opinion that Andray has squandered his last chance and must therefore be banished, but rather that it isn't the case that he MUST be kept around because it's inconceivable that he won't either be a positive force for the team going forward or that he's such an excellent bet that there's no sense shorting his stock because it can do nothing but go up. I can conceive of both, though perhaps my fancies fly a little high.

I don't endorse some of the "expunge at any cost" trades that accomplish nothing but remove him from the roster while also bringing back something no one would reasonably want but to categorically reject even the idea of trading anybody, much less Andray is no more sensible, and to crow at the apparent misery of your fellows in arms because you expect they'll be stuck with a player who it is not unreasonable for them to feel concerned about, as though anyone here is transgressing against Andray by being willing to part with him, is also, to me, weird.

[Illuminaire]

I am Illuminaire, and I endorse Ed Wood's attempts to read my mind!

[fugop]

I would rather he just be off the team. I wouldn't pay to see him go, but I'd let him walk for nothing. Sunk costs.

I think his best year was probably his third in the league (07-08). He wasn't quite as efficient on offense as in 09-10, but was far lower usage, rebounded better, and blocked more shots. I don't understand how a 20-21yr old Blatche can significantly out rebound a 24yr old Blatche. Had he fouled less, his 07-08 yr would be by far his best, but with the fouls, I'd only put it above 09-10 by a hair.

[JonathanJoseph]

I don't endorse some of the "expunge at any cost" trades that accomplish nothing but remove him from the roster while also bringing back something no one would reasonably want but to categorically reject even the idea of trading anybody, much less Andray is no more sensible, and to crow at the apparent misery of your fellows in arms because you expect they'll be stuck with a player who it is not unreasonable for them to feel concerned about, as though anyone here is transgressing against Andray by being willing to part with him, is also, to me, weird.

This is one of the better run-on sentences I've ever read.

[daSwami]

His knickname "7 Day Dray" came from what was considered by all an improved offseason effort and until this last injury-plagued season he's had a very steady and continual improvement across the statistical board each season in the NBA.

iirc he gave that knickname (sic) to himself.

[Illuminaire]

I am Illuminaire, and I did not write what is in that quote!

[Nivek]

His knickname "7 Day Dray" came from what was considered by all an improved offseason effort and until this last injury-plagued season he's had a very steady and continual improvement across the statistical board each season in the NBA.

iirc he gave that knickname (sic) to himself.

Was about to say the same thing.

[Bickerstaff]

His knickname "7 Day Dray" came from what was considered by all an improved offseason effort and until this last injury-plagued season he's had a very steady and continual improvement across the statistical board each season in the NBA.

iirc he gave that knickname (sic) to himself.

Was about to say the same thing.

Of course you were.

[Zonkerbl]

By the way, I seem to recall Flip saying something like "When I talk to John Wall, his goals are to reach the playoffs, not to be an all star. He puts the team above all else."

Which is interesting because a recent quote from Blatche is that his goal this year is to be an all star.

[7-Day Dray]

By the way, I seem to recall Flip saying something like "When I talk to John Wall, his goals are to reach the playoffs, not to be an all star. He puts the team above all else."

Which is interesting because a recent quote from Blatche is that his goal this year is to be an all star.

WOW, you guys like to nitpick at EVERYTHING he does! First people were questioning his desire and work ethic, and now that he's finally showing some good signs of it, people still wanna put him down. SMH!

[Wizardspride]

By the way, I seem to recall Flip saying something like "When I talk to John Wall, his goals are to reach the playoffs, not to be an all star. He puts the team above all else."

Which is interesting because a recent quote from Blatche is that his goal this year is to be an all star.

And where exactly did you see/hear this quote?

Because if its from where I think it is, thats not quite what he said.

[TheBigThree]

Which is interesting because a recent quote from Blatche is that his goal this year is to be an all star.

Am I missing where he said that?

In the article he said he wants to work hard and become one of the best players in the league. I don't see anything wrong with that. Could he have mentioned the teams success? I guess, but this wasn't really a team-oriented article. It was about Andray's good deed.

[7-Day Dray]

Which is interesting because a recent quote from Blatche is that his goal this year is to be an all star.

Am I missing where he said that?

In the article he said he wants to work hard and become one of the best players in the league. I don't see anything wrong with that. Could he have mentioned the teams success? I guess, but this wasn't really a team-oriented article. It was about Andray's good deed.

This.

[Black Eyed Sooz]

As much as I thought that Blatche really needed to be traded, I think he will have a decent year- i.e. similar to the last month of the past season and the 2nd half of 2009-2010 when he averaged like 23 and 10 and 22 and 8 respectively. I just have a gut feeling - no evidence to back this up - similar to how I thought we would get a top 3 pick that ended up being John Wall, and how we WOULDn't get a top 3 pick in this year's draft.

As for McGee, I have no gut feeling on him whatsoever- NO idea what we are going to get from him next year.

[Zonkerbl]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... _blog.html

"Blatche added that he plans to return to Miami and get in shape for the upcoming season, which he hopes will yield an all-star invitation."

So right after Flip says team goals should come first Blatche is still talking about being an all star. So my question is, did Flip say something like that directly to Blatche, and it went in one ear and out the other? Because that seems to be a theme with Blatche.

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

It's easy to talk the talk, but can he walk the walk.

[Illuminaire]

Why is Blatche getting in shape in Miami? I'm just saying, it seems like there are plenty of good gyms in cities with fewer distractions.

I hope he does what he says he will, I'm just feeling a tad cynical if he's basing himself out of party central.