Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[Nivek]

From True Hoop:

Clippers trade $6 million in cash to Blazers for $4 million in cash.

[DallasShalDune]

From True Hoop:

Clippers trade $6 million in cash to Blazers for $4 million in cash.

HA! Flawless comedy.

[Ruzious]

Did they use a trade exception?

[AceDegenerate]

From True Hoop:

Clippers trade $6 million in cash to Blazers for $4 million in cash.

In other words, they just completed the Ernie Grunfeld special!

Where you send out more than you receive in return, with hopes of securing your future employment opportunities around the league.

[hands11]

http://basketball.realgm.com/article/20 ... ons_Window

The Window

Dug this up from the headline links to add some structure to the trade ideas.

[closg00]

From True Hoop:

Clippers trade $6 million in cash to Blazers for $4 million in cash.

In other words, they just completed the Ernie Grunfeld special!

Where you send out more than you receive in return, with hopes of securing your future employment opportunities around the league.

You almost got me until I saw that this came via The Onion.

[Nivek]

I shoulda got one of those tiny urls or something.

[cwb3]

From True Hoop:

Clippers trade $6 million in cash to Blazers for $4 million in cash.

Hooshamajoosha. . .put him on the board. . .CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Lakers moving Vujacic earlier this year really killed any potential of Hinrich being traded there later on. Vujacic was their only large expiring. The Lakers can only offer fringe prospects in Ebanks & Caracter along with a very late 1st rounder and I don't think that's enough to offset having to take a long term deal like Blake, Walton or Artest.

A three way deal is unlikely as well because no team would really want to be saddled with those long term contracts either.

That 3-way deal b/w the Cavs/LAL & us is horrible (Sorry CCJ). Eyenga has potential as a defensive stopper, but so do a handful of other prospects in the NBDL. He's not worth adding the additional long term salary in Blake or giving up a draft pick for. And I don't think Cleveland touches either Artest's or Walton's deal.

Agree with all of this. CCJ's deal is incredibly bad. I don't want Blake or Walton, and I can't see a 3-way to make it all work out.

I think Javale McGee for Bogut (in the deal you proposed) is bad, nate.

McGee is 23 and has 3 more years to get to Bogut's age, and he's already capable of outplaying him. Javale is way, way, way better than Flip or most of you guys think he is.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The Lakers moving Vujacic earlier this year really killed any potential of Hinrich being traded there later on. Vujacic was their only large expiring. The Lakers can only offer fringe prospects in Ebanks & Caracter along with a very late 1st rounder and I don't think that's enough to offset having to take a long term deal like Blake, Walton or Artest.

A three way deal is unlikely as well because no team would really want to be saddled with those long term contracts either.

That 3-way deal b/w the Cavs/LAL & us is horrible (Sorry CCJ). Eyenga has potential as a defensive stopper, but so do a handful of other prospects in the NBDL. He's not worth adding the additional long term salary in Blake or giving up a draft pick for. And I don't think Cleveland touches either Artest's or Walton's deal.

Dat, I don't much about Eyenga but I do see rebounding, shotblocking, steals, and three-point shooting from the SG position...

Signing a guy on a rookie deal seems like a good investment to me, because there's no doubt about the guy's NBA ability. NBDL guys might be just as good or better, but I have a hunch Eyenga has game based on his past few games. Same way I now know Sam Young is way better than OJ Mayo, I think Eyenga's good.

[dangermouse]

Ok, i looked at some team needs accross the board, and ive come up with a 4 way trade that clears some salary for us and gets us a prospect. This trade assumes a Melo to NY deal and is supposed to happen after such a deal. Please note: this is my first 4 way so be gentle, and im also on a new hayfever medication that is making me feel a bit spacey. But anyway here goes:

Wizards send: Blatche
Recieve: Green, Orton

Magic send: Orton, trade exception (from Gortat to Suns)
Recieve: Krstic

OKC send: Green, Harden, Aldrich, Krstic
Recieve: Nene, Afflalo

Nuggets send: Nene, Afflalo
Recieve: Blatche, Harden, Aldrich

Im not sure exactly how trade exceptions are used in trades and wether they can be split up etc. Im not even sure this trade works. But its an idea I had and maybe it can be adjusted by a guru on here.

OKC gets a starting C and a "3 and D" wing to push them over the top. All they give up are parts that dont fit.

Magic get a real backup for Dwight. All they deal away is a young prospect who they dont even play.

Nuggets probably want to clear some of their bad contracts (the ones that remain after the Melo deal anyway). But this gets them 2 prospects and a young guy on a reasonable deal who needs a change of scenery.

We move Blatche. We get back a young C/PF who has played with Wall, but will likely need to spend some time in the d-league before he gets to play meaningful minutes with him again. We trial Green at SF and start Lewis at PF. We arent winning anything this year, its worth it to experiment a bit. If Green is as mediocre playing his natural position as he is at PF, if it doesnt work out, hes expiring anyway. Plus, he doesnt seem like the Club Rat that Blatche is, but i dont even know if they have clubs in OKC?

[verbal8]

This deal does work according to the ESPN trade checker. While it would be great for the Wizards, I don't think the other teams would feel the Wizards are adding much.

I think Denver and OKC could both benefit from the deal if Denver gets Green. If the Kristic for TPE deal was added, it would let OKC take on JR Smith(and probably flip or waive him).

Getting 3 young players and trimming 9 million in salary is a great return for Nene and Affalo.

Ok, i looked at some team needs accross the board, and ive come up with a 4 way trade that clears some salary for us and gets us a prospect. This trade assumes a Melo to NY deal and is supposed to happen after such a deal. Please note: this is my first 4 way so be gentle, and im also on a new hayfever medication that is making me feel a bit spacey. But anyway here goes:

Wizards send: Blatche
Recieve: Green, Orton

Magic send: Orton, trade exception (from Gortat to Suns)
Recieve: Krstic

OKC send: Green, Harden, Aldrich, Krstic
Recieve: Nene, Afflalo

Nuggets send: Nene, Afflalo
Recieve: Blatche, Harden, Aldrich

Im not sure exactly how trade exceptions are used in trades and wether they can be split up etc. Im not even sure this trade works. But its an idea I had and maybe it can be adjusted by a guru on here.

OKC gets a starting C and a "3 and D" wing to push them over the top. All they give up are parts that dont fit.

Magic get a real backup for Dwight. All they deal away is a young prospect who they dont even play.

Nuggets probably want to clear some of their bad contracts (the ones that remain after the Melo deal anyway). But this gets them 2 prospects and a young guy on a reasonable deal who needs a change of scenery.

We move Blatche. We get back a young C/PF who has played with Wall, but will likely need to spend some time in the d-league before he gets to play meaningful minutes with him again. We trial Green at SF and start Lewis at PF. We arent winning anything this year, its worth it to experiment a bit. If Green is as mediocre playing his natural position as he is at PF, if it doesnt work out, hes expiring anyway. Plus, he doesnt seem like the Club Rat that Blatche is, but i dont even know if they have clubs in OKC?

[nate33]

@dangermouse

Jeff Green strikes me as a guy destined to be paid more than he is worth. I gotta feeling that after he signs his new contract, he's going to be a guy we end up looking to dump for an expiring contract. I just don't think you should pay $8M+ a year for a role player - even a good one like Jeff Green.

With Rashard Lewis on the roster for another year, I'm willing to be patient in our search for a young "3 and D" SF. We could find one in the 2012 draft. Or maybe we get lucky and pick up the next Dorrell Wright via free agency (a guy I wanted to add instead of Josh Howard, BTW).

[nate33]

If we end up acquiring a PF in the draft, I think we ought to shop Blatche for more of a role playing big. Instead of having Blatche as an inefficient primary option player, we'd be better off with a guy who can't do as much, but does what he's supposed to do with more efficiency. The guy I'm thinking of is Amir Johnson.

What about a straight up trade:

Washington trades: Andray Blatche
Toronto trades: Amir Johnson

The contracts are basically the same. They have the same basic physical build. Amir Johnson isn't much of a post scorer, but he's a good defender and he hits open jumpers with very good accuracy (45% eFG% on jumpers, 74% of which are assisted). Johnson's biggest issue is that he's foul prone, but that wouldn't matter much if he was a 20-25 MPG backup behind McGee and our PF draft pick.

Toronto considers is because they're in need of a big man who can create his own shot. They also have Ed Davis who is projecting to be a player very similar to Johnson.

[LyricalRico]

RE: danger's 4-way

Very creative, but I don't see the Thunder putting all their eggs in one basket with Nene. Giving up a starter (Green) and two prospects (Harden and Aldrich) for a guy that's much older than their core and who also can opt out in the summer doesn't make a lot of sene for them IMO.

RE: nate's idea of Blatche for Johnson

I'd do it since I hate Blatche, but I'm not terribly excited about Amir Johnson. I haven't watched him enough to verify his defense, but he still isn't the bruising rebounder that we need in our frontcourt. If we're going to trade Blatche for an overpaid bench player on a longterm deal, I'd prefer it be a wing.

[Ruzious]

Amir Johnson has turned into a much better player than I thought he'd be. As bad as Toronto is on defense, I can't see them trading him. When you start Bargnani, you need a tough defender up front, and that ain't Ed Davis or an injured Evans. If I was them, Amir is their one big man I wouldn't be looking to trade - especially not for someone like Dray.

[Dat2U]

I'd be interested in a swap involving Anthony Randolph and Andray Blatche.

Knicks trade:
PF Anthony Randolph
CE Timofey Mosgov

Wizards trade:
F/C Andray Blatche

Maybe a Blatche/Amare frontline works in NY. Knicks are able to take the risk b/c they've nothing out of Randolph and the Knicks only lose $400K of cap space this summer to add a potential starter.

Wiz get a prospect similar to Blatche. A very skilled young big with questionable on court decision making. But he's 3 yrs younger, far more athletic and still on his rookie deal. Mosgov ends the Hilton Armstrong era in DC.

[TGW]

I'd be interested in a swap involving Anthony Randolph and Andray Blatche.

Knicks trade:
PF Anthony Randolph
CE Timofey Mosgov

Wizards trade:
F/C Andray Blatche

Maybe a Blatche/Amare frontline works in NY. Knicks are able to take the risk b/c they've nothing out of Randolph and the Knicks only lose $400K of cap space this summer to add a potential starter.

Wiz get a prospect similar to Blatche. A very skilled young big with questionable on court decision making. But he's 3 yrs younger, far more athletic and still on his rookie deal. Mosgov ends the Hilton Armstrong era in DC.

Pass!

Randolph is terrible. He makes Blatche look consistent in comparison. This would be like trading for an expiring because both Randolph and Mozgov stink. But I don't want Randolph at all. He's just dumb as rocks and very soft.

[Ruzious]

Might as well strike when the iron's hot. With Utah in flux, look at their roster. They are very weak at the 2. Raja Bell is 34 years old and averaging all of 8.4 PPG playing 30:41 minutes a game. He's got 2 years left on his deal - 3.2 mil next season and 3.5 after that. See if you can buy him out - so you can cut that 3.5 mil. The trade would be Nick and a 2nd for Raja and a 1st. Let them heavily protect the 1st this year as long as they don't next year.

[no D in Hibachi]

Might as well strike when the iron's hot. With Utah in flux, look at their roster. They are very weak at the 2. Raja Bell is 34 years old and averaging all of 8.4 PPG playing 30:41 minutes a game. He's got 2 years left on his deal - 3.2 mil next season and 3.5 after that. See if you can buy him out - so you can cut that 3.5 mil. The trade would be Nick and a 2nd for Raja and a 1st. Let them heavily protect the 1st this year as long as they don't next year.

They already owe Minny 2 picks for the Al Jefferson trade. I don't think they'll be able to trade any picks for a while.