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The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread

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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#881 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:31 pm

Nivek wrote:That a minimum-salary big man who would be a more than adequate backup center for any team could clear waivers would seem like the latest exhibit in what a crappy job NBA teams do when it comes to player evaluation and asset allocation. James is better, for example, than Kendrick Perkins, who's likely to remain the starter in OKC at a salary ~$8 million higher.

The Wizards could definitely use James.

The age thing is irrelevant because they shouldn't view James as a long-term developmental asset. He's a guy you sign to be a backup for a year or two until you can find someone better. If he's a good guy, maybe you keep him around even further down the bench for longer.

The only reason not to pick up a cheap and reasonably productive big man like James (especially at the minimum) is if there's some off-court issue that makes him not worth the trouble. Especially if you're a team like the Wizards and you need some frontcourt help.

Right now, it looks like they're relying on Booker plus at least one of the Vesely, Singleton and Seraphin to break through next season. I think they should be pushing those guys to develop this summer, but that they shouldn't be planning for any of them to make a major leap. If they do, it's gravy. And, if they do, a guy like James can simply be pushed further down the bench. Or released -- it's only a minimum salary.

Really, any team in the league could use a player like James on their bench at the league minimum.


Speaking of Jameses. Any rumors to discussions about bringing back James Singleton? We need a depth big man who can rebound and shoot... and, whatever his limitations, we almost always play better when he is on the team.

Would the minimum with a guarantee be enough to get it done? Or have I missed something? Has he signed elsewhere?
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#882 » by Nivek » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:43 pm

No idea what James Singleton's status is. Those 262 minutes in Washington were the best he's played in the NBA. They were good minutes, but he's 32 years old now, and his play before that season was solidly below average. Even if he performed at that previous level, he'd STILL be an upgrade over Vesely, Singleton and Seraphin.

If he's available, he's likely to be worth at least the minimum.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#883 » by fishercob » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:51 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/359399410909724672[/tweet]

Essentially, the Wiz chose Maynor over Nate. I have to wonder if they could have had Nate with the BAE and Maynor with the minimum.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#884 » by Rafael122 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:52 pm

DAMN, Nate only got the BAE? I was expecting mid-level for him. Now I'm a little puzzled.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#885 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:59 pm

Dat2U wrote:The Wizards obviously didn't need Bernard James since were so stacked at the 4 & 5.

We're a good team. We're going to win 50+ games -- everyone here says that. So, why would Ernie even monitor the waiver wire?
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#886 » by FAH1223 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:05 pm

Ernie Grunfeld is an idiot and it isn't a surprise.

If he had signed Maynor for the minimum, cool.

But using the Bi Annual Exception on him so quickly was stupid. Nate would have been perfect to backup Wall and also play alongside him when Beal isn't on the floor. A legit x factor offensively
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#887 » by Dat2U » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:15 pm

fishercob wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/359399410909724672[/tweet]

Essentially, the Wiz chose Maynor over Nate. I have to wonder if they could have had Nate with the BAE and Maynor with the minimum.


Chalk that up as another Ernie Grunfeld fail.

There was absolutely no risk with waiting out the market and see if we could get some higher hanging fruit atop the free agent tree. Instead, Ernie busts his wad on day one and once again we find ourselves rooting for a guy that's probably not talented or good enough to make much of a difference.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#888 » by sfam » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:19 pm

Dat2U wrote:
fishercob wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/359399410909724672[/tweet]

Essentially, the Wiz chose Maynor over Nate. I have to wonder if they could have had Nate with the BAE and Maynor with the minimum.


Chalk that up as another Ernie Grunfeld fail.

There was absolutely no risk with waiting out the market and see if we could get some higher hanging fruit atop the free agent tree. Instead, Ernie busts his wad on day one and once again we find ourselves rooting for a guy that's probably not talented or good enough to make much of a difference.

I wouldn't be surprised if early in negotiations, Nate was looking for something close to MLE. We probably bowed out at that point and went with Maynor. Had we waited for Nate's price to drop, we might have been able to get him. At least that's what this seems like to me. So yeah, no waiting with EG. He wants his mediocre player NOW, dammit!!!
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#889 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:34 pm

sfam wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
fishercob wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/359399410909724672[/tweet]

Essentially, the Wiz chose Maynor over Nate. I have to wonder if they could have had Nate with the BAE and Maynor with the minimum.


Chalk that up as another Ernie Grunfeld fail.

There was absolutely no risk with waiting out the market and see if we could get some higher hanging fruit atop the free agent tree. Instead, Ernie busts his wad on day one and once again we find ourselves rooting for a guy that's probably not talented or good enough to make much of a difference.

I wouldn't be surprised if early in negotiations, Nate was looking for something close to MLE. We probably bowed out at that point and went with Maynor. Had we waited for Nate's price to drop, we might have been able to get him. At least that's what this seems like to me. So yeah, no waiting with EG. He wants his mediocre player NOW, dammit!!!

And then there was Collison as well... even cheaper and probably a better choice for us than either of the other guys.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#890 » by nate33 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:50 pm

We could have come out of this offseason with Nerlens Noel, Martell Webster and Nate Robinson. Our roster would have been in pretty good shape for the near term and long term. Instead, we get Porter, Webster and Maynor. Redundant at the wings, lousy at backup PG, and we have not addressed our future frontcourt.

This would have been a sweet lineup:

PG Wall/Robinson
SG Beal/Robinson/Rice
SF Webster/Ariza
PF Nene/Seraphin
C Okafor/Noel
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#891 » by Dat2U » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:53 pm

nate33 wrote:We could have come out of this offseason with Nerlens Noel, Martell Webster and Nate Robinson. Our roster would have been in pretty good shape for the near term and long term. Instead, we get Porter, Webster and Maynor. Redundant at the wings, lousy at backup PG, and we have not addressed our future frontcourt.

This would have been a sweet lineup:

PG Wall/Robinson
SG Beal/Robinson/Rice
SF Webster/Ariza
PF Nene/Seraphin
C Okafor/Noel


Agreed. Resigning Webster would have made much more sense to me if we had not drafted Porter. Now, I'm just hoping Porter doesn't get lost in the shuffle & Wall is able to go all 82 games. I have no idea how were going to get our front court of the future.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#892 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:58 pm

Nate Robinson is expected to sign a two-year deal by way of the Nuggets' bi-annual salary cap exception worth $4.03 million combined, with a player option in the second season.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#893 » by nuposse04 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:52 pm

Dat2U wrote:
nate33 wrote:We could have come out of this offseason with Nerlens Noel, Martell Webster and Nate Robinson. Our roster would have been in pretty good shape for the near term and long term. Instead, we get Porter, Webster and Maynor. Redundant at the wings, lousy at backup PG, and we have not addressed our future frontcourt.

This would have been a sweet lineup:

PG Wall/Robinson
SG Beal/Robinson/Rice
SF Webster/Ariza
PF Nene/Seraphin
C Okafor/Noel


Agreed. Resigning Webster would have made much more sense to me if we had not drafted Porter. Now, I'm just hoping Porter doesn't get lost in the shuffle & Wall is able to go all 82 games. I have no idea how were going to get our front court of the future.


I think Ernie has this unrealistic notion in his head that one of Jan/Seraphin are somehow going to become NBA caliber starting bigmen. I don't see why you pass on a talent like Noel unless you actually believe your crap is worth a ****. Of course, he is mistaken...as he is most of the time.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#894 » by verbal8 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:30 pm

dckingsfan wrote:Nate Robinson is expected to sign a two-year deal by way of the Nuggets' bi-annual salary cap exception worth $4.03 million combined, with a player option in the second season.


I think with his track record Robinson has earned that deal. Maynor not so much. I wouldn't be surprised to see Blair signed on a similar deal.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#895 » by dckingsfan » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:45 pm

verbal8 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Nate Robinson is expected to sign a two-year deal by way of the Nuggets' bi-annual salary cap exception worth $4.03 million combined, with a player option in the second season.


I think with his track record Robinson has earned that deal. Maynor not so much. I wouldn't be surprised to see Blair signed on a similar deal.


Agreed, nothing against Maynor - and maybe he will really step it up this year - but I would have preferred the instant offense of Robinson given our offensive issues.

And agreed I would think that someone with a bi-annual would want to pick up Blair.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#896 » by penbeast0 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:19 pm

Speaking of undersized PF types who can really hit the boards, Malcolm Thomas didn't get his contract picked up by the Bulls.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#897 » by fishercob » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:49 pm

nate33 wrote:We could have come out of this offseason with Nerlens Noel, Martell Webster and Nate Robinson. Our roster would have been in pretty good shape for the near term and long term. Instead, we get Porter, Webster and Maynor. Redundant at the wings, lousy at backup PG, and we have not addressed our future frontcourt.

This would have been a sweet lineup:

PG Wall/Robinson
SG Beal/Robinson/Rice
SF Webster/Ariza
PF Nene/Seraphin
C Okafor/Noel


The tactical blunder of giving Maynor the BAE doesn't make Noel any better of a prospect in my eyes. I prefer talent to roster balance, particularly on a team like the Wizards whether they aren't close to contending for a title.

I'd feel much better about the position the Wizards were in -- Ariza and Okafor expiring and potentially max cap room next summer -- if Ernie wasn't the one likely to make the decisions on how to improve the team going forward.

Here's something else horrendous about burning the BAE on Maynor -- it's BIANNUAL, so if the Wizards can't use it next summer either. Now, you may say "we weren't going to use it anyway next year because we're going to use our cap room." Well, what if a trade presents itself at the deadline that allows us acquire a really good player in exchange for that cap room? The BAE would have been a really useful tool to have in rounding out a roster next summer. Now it's gone -- for Eric Maynor.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#898 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:01 am

Hopefully Maynor can do this again to Nate Robinson when they play each other again.

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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#899 » by 80sballboy » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:59 am

verbal8 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Nate Robinson is expected to sign a two-year deal by way of the Nuggets' bi-annual salary cap exception worth $4.03 million combined, with a player option in the second season.


I think with his track record Robinson has earned that deal. Maynor not so much. I wouldn't be surprised to see Blair signed on a similar deal.


You pass on Noel because you are worried about his knee surgery and how it was performed. You also worry that by the time he makes an impact, your contract will have run out.
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Re: The 2013 NBA Free Agency Thread 

Post#900 » by verbal8 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:05 am

penbeast0 wrote:Speaking of undersized PF types who can really hit the boards, Malcolm Thomas didn't get his contract picked up by the Bulls.


I agree he seems like a potentially good fit, limited but his production could be similar to Booker's. He would be a great guy to take a look at on a minimum deal. I think it would probably be worth waiving Singleton to keep him if a roster spot was needed.

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