Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[queridiculo]

If we picked around 8, I wouldn't think twice about drafting Len. This 3rd pick may come back to bite us.

God help us when it's our time to pick with Noel and Porter off the board, I don't trust Grunfelds judgement at all.

[sfam]

a dominant two way player ...a slow finesse player that hates body contact? Rookies lol.

Lol all you want, but you come off as foolish by positing Drummond as a perennial all-star while Beal will simply be an average role player. Beal had the better year between the two.

[sfam]

If we picked around 8, I wouldn't think twice about drafting Len. This 3rd pick may come back to bite us.

God help us when it's our time to pick with Noel and Porter off the board, I don't trust Grunfelds judgement at all.

I trust EG with the 3rd pick far more than I do the #8. EG has far more options to blow it at the #8.

[stevemcqueen1]

I don't like those Keith Van Horn socks Len wears.

[doclinkin]

If we picked around 8, I wouldn't think twice about drafting Len. This 3rd pick may come back to bite us.

God help us when it's our time to pick with Noel and Porter off the board, I don't trust Grunfelds judgement at all.

To be clear I don't want Len at #3 either. I wanted him at 8, and would consider a trade down if it landed us a 2014 lotto pick and a quality prospect (I liked the Enes Kanter concept better than the DWills one, but no matter). I just think his shortcomings are overcome by experience, maturity, and proper weight training. And his development curve is pretty good for a true 'footer (7'+, who commonly develop slower than most).

And if Porter/Nerlens are gone I'd be okay with Len I s'pose. But would hate to have to bear the hair tearing and shirt rending of the anti-Len fans, or Pro-Bennet contingent Or the fire Ernie crowd who would be calling in to radio shows all year for the next 2 years while he develops. Better get something good on the trade down.

[pancakes3]

a dominant two way player ...a slow finesse player that hates body contact? Rookies lol.

Hey, great call on Aminu.

[Liverbird]

I don't know if we can we afford to wait on Len for 3 years though? 3 years is a long time.

This is an important year for The Wizards. They have to show improvement this year and I think Porter will improve the teams prospects both long and short term.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Strange Zeller and Green declined to workout for the Wizards???

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/6/6/ ... s-from-csn

Man, that stinks. I wanted the Wizards to get an up-close look at Zeller's urban legend of an outside jumper.

If you're Zeller that says you don't want to go third if its Washington picking.

[jivelikenice]

Why would Zeller or his agent want him not to go in the top 3? More likely, is they they don't think he's under serious consideration so why waste their time. That being said, it doesn't speak well for him as a competitor if he doesn't think he can earn his way into the top 3.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't know if we can we afford to wait on Len for 3 years though? 3 years is a long time.

This is an important year for The Wizards. They have to show improvement this year and I think Porter will improve the teams prospects both long and short term.

Not that I disagree, but we sure did wait three for Wall--and he's three years older than Len.

I'm worried about Len's feet.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The DWill trade possibility was quickly brushed aside here, but given the fact that Ernie Grunfeld is the GM, I wouldn't be so dismissive.

What if the deal was the #3, #54, Vesely and Singleton for Williams, #9, #26 ?

We could come out of the draft with Derrick Williams, CJ McCollum, Reggie Bullock, Colton Iverson.

If they take Vesely and Singleton you do this deal.

[thinker07]

Sorry, but again I have to ask why did the #7 recruit in the nation go to UNLV? Findley Prep is a basketball machine like Oak Hill and he's not "from" LV. I don't see the "perfectly natural" part about it. His lesser ranked teammates went to Arizona, Oregon, Ohio State... The last guy from his HS to go to UNLV was the class of 2009 and that guy was a 3-star recruit. In fact, Bennett is the first McDonald's all-American to sign with UNLV since... 1983. So what gives?.

UNLV through Under Armour and its boosters pay big money for top recruits. I know, through AAU circles of two kids from Baltimore who have committed to UNLV in return for a family member getting a house in Vegas and a $100K job.

[rockymac52]

How do you think Ernie and the gang feel about our backup PG position? Mainly, do you think we would be comfortable drafting a PG at 38 and relying on that rookie immediately being our primary backup? Or would we strongly prefer a veteran like Price again, even if they leave a lot to be desired?

I get the feeling that we would be very hesitant to let the 38th pick be our backup PG from day one. Maybe we'd be interested in something where we bring in a guy like Price this summer on a non-guaranteed deal, and let him and the rookie battle it out. If the rookie isn't ready, then let Price backup this season while the rookie is the 3rd string PG and maybe gets more playing time as the season goes on.

[montestewart]

How do you think Ernie and the gang feel about our backup PG position? Mainly, do you think we would be comfortable drafting a PG at 38 and relying on that rookie immediately being our primary backup? Or would we strongly prefer a veteran like Price again, even if they leave a lot to be desired?

I get the feeling that we would be very hesitant to let the 38th pick be our backup PG from day one. Maybe we'd be interested in something where we bring in a guy like Price this summer on a non-guaranteed deal, and let him and the rookie battle it out. If the rookie isn't ready, then let Price backup this season while the rookie is the 3rd string PG and maybe gets more playing time as the season goes on.

If they managed to get Wolters in the 2nd, they could have him and Price share backup duties, and maybe Wolters could play a little SG too, he's got height and a shot, but he's maybe a little on thin side to cover NBA SGs.

[The Consiglieri]

Can we just bring Bennett in and measure his standing reach? That should end most of these arguments which seem to be based on speculation rather than facts

+1

By the way, what's a "cubbard"? Is it like a cupboard? Except in Mother Hubbard's house?

LOL

My favorite typo of all time was a guy who wrote rapore instead of rapport. And this guy was a corporate lawyer that i known for years, one of the smartest guys i have ever seen on a message board.

Is anyone else having the problem of the screen jumping up and down when you try to write a post? It has been happening to me a lot lately and is getting a bit annoying.

Oh that's such a relief, ive been having trouble w/my keyboard and that jumping screen issue and assumed both were just my computer. Definitely a relief to realize the jumping is just site based.

[The Consiglieri]

we're arguably off track here in discussing Faried but I wonder if despite
the totally impressive stats Dat posted about Faried if he isn't an example
of the kind of player some here have long argued against having, that is a
player who can't be a starter on a championship team. He was a great value
for where he was taken but I'll ask again, can he really match up against
legit sized 4s? I'm not sure he can.

The lesson I hope others learned with Faried is one of the validity of an NCAA body of work over height, weight, conference, etc.

When a guy breaks records set by the likes of Tim Duncan it should mean something. At Morehead St. Faried destroyed Florida's big men and Kansas' big men. He more than held his own against Cousins and Orton of Kentucky. The NCAA tourney game where he blocked a shot to beat Louisville should have punched his ticket into the lottery, How there was such doubt when I said he's lottery-good shocked me. I wondered why so many just didn't see it.

This draft's Faried is likely Nate Wolters.

He put up 34 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists against Terrence Ross and Tony Wroten. The opposing coach said it was the best PG performance he had seen since Jason Kidd.

http://seattletimes.com/html/huskybaske ... men19.html

He's had some other eye-opening performances such as a 53 point game. The following game he scored 36 points. Wolters had 30 points against Alabama. What separates him is his elite ballhandling skill. I think he's going to have a lot of success in the NBA.

Here's a nice SI article by Luke Winn. He likes Otto Porter and Nate Wolters. (Win likes Olynyk as well--and so do I)

http://m.si.com/2957294/6ecc7fbf/

It was his production against elite competition, and not just scrubby conference play that did it for me. He was every bit as good as advertised by you in the tourney. The pure career #'s didn't matter to me nearly as much as the fact that competing against much better teams had no noticeable effect on his production, he continued to dominate, and even had the game clinching foul/block in their huge upset opening game of the '11 tourney.

Pelton, the guy who does mega chats at espn on Fridays some weeks loves wolters and propped the hell out of him last week. Views him as one of those rare mega steals sitting there in the 25-40 zone but fully capable of being one of the 7-15 guys that will have a legit place in this league out of this draft.

[gambitx777]

I don't know about you guys, but I think this year will be a good year for second round picks. There are a lot of ready to go good looking older players that are going to get looks. I guess i just got a feeling. I mean hell, most players int he second round this year can not be much worse than, Jan, singleton, and Price.

[hands11]

Can we just bring Bennett in and measure his standing reach? That should end most of these arguments which seem to be based on speculation rather than facts

Why in heavens name would we want arguments based on fact? They'd be over too quickly then, and we'd have nothing to discuss for the rest of the month!!!

Fantasize away, I say!

Friday, June 7th – at 12:30 pm at Verizon Center.

The following players are currently scheduled to participate in Friday's workout:

C.J Aiken | C | St. Josephs | 6'9, 201 lbs
Junior Cadougan | G | Marquette | 6'1, 205 lbs
Ella Ellis | F | Ella Ellis | 6'6, 185 lbs
Lamont Jones | G | Iona | 6'0, 195 lbs
A.J. Matthews | F | Farmingdale St. | 7'1, 215 lbs
Mike Muscala | C | Bucknell | 6'11, 239 lbs

[hands11]

I don't know if we can we afford to wait on Len for 3 years though? 3 years is a long time.

This is an important year for The Wizards. They have to show improvement this year and I think Porter will improve the teams prospects both long and short term.

I think that is over stating things.

They already showed improvement. What they need is to show health from the start of the year.

Wall, Beal and Nene. All 3 healthy and starting and there you have your improvement. Webster nailing the 3 ball. Okafor playing tough D, rebounding and getting his double doubles. Done.

What they need is depth in case of injury. And they need some length off the bench in the post as a center. They could also use a player Kevin's size who actually plays like his size.

If they like Len, he fits fine regarding his development timeline. Wall and Beal are young.

[sfam]

Sorry, but again I have to ask why did the #7 recruit in the nation go to UNLV? Findley Prep is a basketball machine like Oak Hill and he's not "from" LV. I don't see the "perfectly natural" part about it. His lesser ranked teammates went to Arizona, Oregon, Ohio State... The last guy from his HS to go to UNLV was the class of 2009 and that guy was a 3-star recruit. In fact, Bennett is the first McDonald's all-American to sign with UNLV since... 1983. So what gives?.

UNLV through Under Armour and its boosters pay big money for top recruits. I know, through AAU circles of two kids from Baltimore who have committed to UNLV in return for a family member getting a house in Vegas and a $100K job.

He probably chose UNLV for the same reason Magic Johnson chose Michigan State: he wanted to stay close to home.