Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[Dat2U]

Heck, Dat is probably the best draft guy on the board, and he constantly panned this past draft (even if Otto was one of his favs). Dat's relented on that prediction to an extent (he's posted that there are real troubling signs with Porter).


Again, I hope I'm wrong on Otto, but I'm not going to front and say there are not big red flags.

Thx, I see the red flags there, but I'm really not sure though. My gut tells me he's not going to be a massive bust... but a likely disappointment considering where he went. The only guy I felt really sure about in terms of talent was Noel, but of course he had the acl tear.

If we could get Amir Johnson & Kyle Lowry for Porter & a package of slop, that might be really worth it as it would likely cinch the Wizards as the 3rd best team in the East.

A deal of Porter, Vesely, Seraphin & Maynor works for Lowry & Johnson if the Raps cut two scrubs (Buycks, Stone, Augustin). Toronto improves their tanking position and acquires a recent 3rd pick. Wiz fortify their roster with a rock solid 8-man rotation and strengthens their playoff hand.

CE Gortat / Johnson
PF Nene / Booker / Harrington
SF Webster / Ariza / Singleton
SG Beal / Temple / Rice
PG Wall / Lowry

[pancakes3]

I like the move and it's very well executed. It just seems to be moving a lot of parts around for what amounts to tweaking. To be fair, we only have to tweak because our real GM left a muddled mess as far as the bench situation goes. I'd prefer to see more of a home run move that nets a 3rd all-star rather than shuffling pieces around to make a competitive 4-seed.

[LongLiveIverson]

I like the move and it's very well executed. It just seems to be moving a lot of parts around for what amounts to tweaking. To be fair, we only have to tweak because our real GM left a muddled mess as far as the bench situation goes. I'd prefer to see more of a home run move that nets a 3rd all-star rather than shuffling pieces around to make a competitive 4-seed.

That crossed my mind too. Thats why im not opposed to Greg Monroe for Porter simply straight up. Monroe as a 3rd option can be decent next to Wall and Beal. Still doing Jimmer Trade

C. Gortat/Nene
F. Monroe/Harrington/Outlaw
F. Ariza/Webster
G. Beal/Temple
G. Wall/Jimmer/Maynor

This makes for a much clearer/strong 8 man rotation
Starting 5 + Nene, Webster and Jimmer

[LyricalRico]

A deal of Porter, Vesely, Seraphin & Maynor works for Lowry & Johnson if the Raps cut two scrubs (Buycks, Stone, Augustin). Toronto improves their tanking position and acquires a recent 3rd pick. Wiz fortify their roster with a rock solid 8-man rotation and strengthens their playoff hand.

Overall works for me, although I'd try to weak it to send Booker or Singleton so we can keep one of Vesely/Seraphin just to have a warm body as a third string C. If Toronto is on the fence, we could also take Novak's contract of their hands. It saves them a bit more cash but doesn't really hurt us longterm.

[LongLiveIverson]

Think your best bet to get a 3rd big and backup guard realistically without getting too complicated.

Combination of Porter, Vesely to Phoenix for Dragic and Plumlee
Or Toronto for Lowry and Amir Johnson

Both teams looking to tank. Dragic would be a better fit to play off the ball im not sure how Lowry would be able to co-exist with Wall in the backcourt. Amir is a better player right now than Plumlee and would give toughness for a playoff series.

[mhd]

Would Phoenix do Porter+Ves+Seraphin for Dragic+Plumlee?

[mhd]

What about this wild idea: Wiz trade Porter+Nene for Brook Lopez? I doubt the Nets even consider it to be honest.

[GeeWiz]

What about this wild idea: Wiz trade Porter+Nene for Brook Lopez? I doubt the Nets even consider it to be honest.

Not a chance.


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[Ruzious]

Heck, Dat is probably the best draft guy on the board, and he constantly panned this past draft (even if Otto was one of his favs). Dat's relented on that prediction to an extent (he's posted that there are real troubling signs with Porter).


Again, I hope I'm wrong on Otto, but I'm not going to front and say there are not big red flags.

Thx, I see the red flags there, but I'm really not sure though. My gut tells me he's not going to be a massive bust... but a likely disappointment considering where he went. The only guy I felt really sure about in terms of talent was Noel, but of course he had the acl tear.

If we could get Amir Johnson & Kyle Lowry for Porter & a package of slop, that might be really worth it as it would likely cinch the Wizards as the 3rd best team in the East.

A deal of Porter, Vesely, Seraphin & Maynor works for Lowry & Johnson if the Raps cut two scrubs (Buycks, Stone, Augustin). Toronto improves their tanking position and acquires a recent 3rd pick. Wiz fortify their roster with a rock solid 8-man rotation and strengthens their playoff hand.

CE Gortat / Johnson
PF Nene / Booker / Harrington
SF Webster / Ariza / Singleton
SG Beal / Temple / Rice
PG Wall / Lowry

Hmmm, the Raps just cut Augustin. This board is powerful!

I suppose we could somewhat justify the rental of Lowry by the fact that we could end up doing a sign and trade - getting something back for him.

[fishercob]

Heck, Dat is probably the best draft guy on the board, and he constantly panned this past draft (even if Otto was one of his favs). Dat's relented on that prediction to an extent (he's posted that there are real troubling signs with Porter).


Again, I hope I'm wrong on Otto, but I'm not going to front and say there are not big red flags.

Thx, I see the red flags there, but I'm really not sure though. My gut tells me he's not going to be a massive bust... but a likely disappointment considering where he went. The only guy I felt really sure about in terms of talent was Noel, but of course he had the acl tear.

If we could get Amir Johnson & Kyle Lowry for Porter & a package of slop, that might be really worth it as it would likely cinch the Wizards as the 3rd best team in the East.

A deal of Porter, Vesely, Seraphin & Maynor works for Lowry & Johnson if the Raps cut two scrubs (Buycks, Stone, Augustin). Toronto improves their tanking position and acquires a recent 3rd pick. Wiz fortify their roster with a rock solid 8-man rotation and strengthens their playoff hand.

CE Gortat / Johnson
PF Nene / Booker / Harrington
SF Webster / Ariza / Singleton
SG Beal / Temple / Rice
PG Wall / Lowry

Lowry is a FA and Amir has one more year on his deal. I'd trade Porter, but I don't think that's enough deal term for me. Lowry seems like a very likely flight risk -- frankly I'd almost rather have Vazquez because his local ties may make him more likely to accept a reasonable deal (and he's a lot younger).

Even if Toronto sweetens it -- say something like Amir, Hansbrough and Greivis for Otto, Seraphin and Singleton -- that still feels short-sited to me, but it suppose it all hinges on one's evaluation of Porter as a prospect.

[mohammed10]

Lowry is a FA and Amir has one more year on his deal. I'd trade Porter, but I don't think that's enough deal term for me. Lowry seems like a very likely flight risk -- frankly I'd almost rather have Vazquez because his local ties may make him more likely to accept a reasonable deal (and he's a lot younger).

Even if Toronto sweetens it -- say something like Amir, Hansbrough and Greivis for Otto, Seraphin and Singleton -- that still feels short-sited to me, but it suppose it all hinges on one's evaluation of Porter as a prospect.

Flight risk? This isn't lockup (or lockdown', for that matter).

I prefer letting Otto marinate for a few games before showing him the door, especially for a Lowry rental.

[queridiculo]

Jason Thompson available, think the Kings would move him for a salary dump?

[LyricalRico]

Jason Thompson available, think the Kings would move him for a salary dump?

I was interested in him a couple months ago as part of a larger deal where we broke up Nene's contract into smaller pieces. I'd like to keep Nene now, and I wouldn't go after Thompson by himself.

Also, let's see if Booker can keep this up.

[queridiculo]

I wouldn't part with Nene to acquire Thompson. The idea is to acquire Thompson for depth, the area where we're seriously lacking.

[verbal8]

Heck, Dat is probably the best draft guy on the board, and he constantly panned this past draft (even if Otto was one of his favs). Dat's relented on that prediction to an extent (he's posted that there are real troubling signs with Porter).


Again, I hope I'm wrong on Otto, but I'm not going to front and say there are not big red flags.

Thx, I see the red flags there, but I'm really not sure though. My gut tells me he's not going to be a massive bust... but a likely disappointment considering where he went. The only guy I felt really sure about in terms of talent was Noel, but of course he had the acl tear.

If we could get Amir Johnson & Kyle Lowry for Porter & a package of slop, that might be really worth it as it would likely cinch the Wizards as the 3rd best team in the East.

A deal of Porter, Vesely, Seraphin & Maynor works for Lowry & Johnson if the Raps cut two scrubs (Buycks, Stone, Augustin). Toronto improves their tanking position and acquires a recent 3rd pick. Wiz fortify their roster with a rock solid 8-man rotation and strengthens their playoff hand.

CE Gortat / Johnson
PF Nene / Booker / Harrington
SF Webster / Ariza / Singleton
SG Beal / Temple / Rice
PG Wall / Lowry

Lowry is a FA and Amir has one more year on his deal. I'd trade Porter, but I don't think that's enough deal term for me. Lowry seems like a very likely flight risk -- frankly I'd almost rather have Vazquez because his local ties may make him more likely to accept a reasonable deal (and he's a lot younger).

Even if Toronto sweetens it -- say something like Amir, Hansbrough and Greivis for Otto, Seraphin and Singleton -- that still feels short-sited to me, but it suppose it all hinges on one's evaluation of Porter as a prospect.

Lowry and Vasquez are essentially the same age(Vasquez was 24 as a rookie). However I agree for a number of reasons that Vasquez would be more valuable than Lowry, even if Lowry has been more productive. Vasquez is a restricted free agent, so he will likely stay with the team that he is traded to. Lowry will probably be looking for a starting job, which is hopefully locked down for the next 5-10 years in DC.

If Lowry is the "missing piece" for the Wizards and would accept a back-up job, a S&T would probably be a lot cheaper(probably a couple 2nds at most).

I definitely agree it is too early to deal Porter. Unless he is embarrassing this season, I don't think his trade value will be much lower than it is currently. Unless the trade is Otto Porter and 3 future 1st for Wiggins or Parker, I don't see Porter being the best piece to trade.

[sashae]

Also, let's see if Booker can keep this up.

You're new here, right?

[nate33]

verbal8 posted a real good trade on the Trade Board. I'm going to repost it here:

Washington sends out Ariza to Memphis for Bayless and Ed Davis

For Washington with Porter back and Webster playing pretty well, the Wizards have enough depth to trade Ariza. This deal will give the Wizards a combo guard and a PF/C back-up who can rebound.

Memphis lost Pondexter for the season and Prince doesn't look good this season. They are just out of the play-offs and adding a good starter at SF would increase their chances of making the play-offs. Bayless has struggled and Ed Davis may be hard to keep with big deals for Randolph and Gasol. Also this upgrade occurs without having to give up a pick.

I like this a lot. We sacrifice our one position of excessive depth to address our two positions of need, and we get younger in the process. It also makes sense for Memphis because it gives them a quality starter at a position of extreme need.

The only thing that is missing is a means of unloading Maynor's contract in the process.

[LyricalRico]

Also, let's see if Booker can keep this up.

You're new here, right?

Yeah, wishful thinking. But giving Booker one last shot is still preferable to trading expirings for Thompson's contract IMO.

[sashae]

We've all talked about the possibility of a Greg Monroe trade, and with Drummond's success (and Josh Smith's inability to play the 3) you'd have to think Detroit would move him. How about trading Ariza and Vesely for Monroe and Charlie V? That'd allow Detroit to start a more standard lineup with Josh Smith at PF and Ariza at SF, and give Washington the choice as to whether or not Monroe would be a workable fit with Nene/Gortat in the rotation.

[LyricalRico]

verbal8 posted a real good trade on the Trade Board. I'm going to repost it here:

Washington sends out Ariza to Memphis for Bayless and Ed Davis

For Washington with Porter back and Webster playing pretty well, the Wizards have enough depth to trade Ariza. This deal will give the Wizards a combo guard and a PF/C back-up who can rebound.

Memphis lost Pondexter for the season and Prince doesn't look good this season. They are just out of the play-offs and adding a good starter at SF would increase their chances of making the play-offs. Bayless has struggled and Ed Davis may be hard to keep with big deals for Randolph and Gasol. Also this upgrade occurs without having to give up a pick.

I like this a lot. We sacrifice our one position of excessive depth to address our two positions of need, and we get younger in the process. It also makes sense for Memphis because it gives them a quality starter at a position of extreme need.

The only thing that is missing is a means of unloading Maynor's contract in the process.

There doesn't seem to be a way to work Maynor's deal into it under the cap (unless we add a guy like Prince, which we wouldn't want to do). Given that it is an "extreme need" for MEM, any chance we could hold out for a pick?