ImageImageImageImageImage

Bradley Beal - Part III

Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart

JWizmentality
RealGM
Posts: 14,099
And1: 5,121
Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Location: Cosmic Totality
   

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#881 » by JWizmentality » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:54 pm

nate33 wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
nate33 wrote:It's pretty insane that 40 year old Jordan had that many 40 point games.



Arenas. :cry:

Imagine an Arenas/Beal backcourt! :o


Imagine that duo going up against Steph and Klay. F*ck defense. Let it fly! :lol:
User avatar
Kanyewest
RealGM
Posts: 10,370
And1: 2,729
Joined: Jul 05, 2004

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#882 » by Kanyewest » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:59 pm

nate33 wrote:
Halcyon wrote:I feel like Lowry makes it, since he's playing for a top team and is averaging almost 10 assists a game.

He's missed 10 games though, and Toronto is 6-4 without him.

I think if the decision was made today, you'd have to take Beal over him. Lowry has missed 25% of his team's games.


6-4 for the Raptors is worse than their current pace which would only be 48 wins. With Kyle Lowry in the lineup they are 27-8 which is on pace for around 63 wins. Without Kawhi in the lineup, the Raptors are 8-2 which would be on pace for 65-66 wins.
User avatar
dangermouse
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,628
And1: 814
Joined: Dec 08, 2009

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#883 » by dangermouse » Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:03 am

nate33 wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
nate33 wrote:It's pretty insane that 40 year old Jordan had that many 40 point games.



Arenas. :cry:

Imagine an Arenas/Beal backcourt! :o


I actually think Beal needs the ball more often than not now. Someone's got to get in Wall's ear (assuming he's here next season) and tell him if he wants this team to go far, he has to give up more possessions to Beal and let the offense run through him. This would allow him to also focus harder and expend more energy on defense (didnt he wanna be all defensive first team?)

However, in the clutch - give it to Wall. Let him be the hero. This satisfies his ego and Beal struggles to create for himself in the dying seconds. He really needs a "go to move" for those situations, and im sure he will develop one, but he isnt there yet as we saw last night in 2OT.
Image
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:
NatP4 wrote:but why would the pacers want Mahinmi's contract


Well, in fairness, we took Mike Pence off their hands. Taking back Mahinmi is the least they can do.
User avatar
Kanyewest
RealGM
Posts: 10,370
And1: 2,729
Joined: Jul 05, 2004

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#884 » by Kanyewest » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:02 pm

dangermouse wrote:
nate33 wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:

Arenas. :cry:

Imagine an Arenas/Beal backcourt! :o


I actually think Beal needs the ball more often than not now. Someone's got to get in Wall's ear (assuming he's here next season) and tell him if he wants this team to go far, he has to give up more possessions to Beal and let the offense run through him. This would allow him to also focus harder and expend more energy on defense (didnt he wanna be all defensive first team?)

However, in the clutch - give it to Wall. Let him be the hero. This satisfies his ego and Beal struggles to create for himself in the dying seconds. He really needs a "go to move" for those situations, and im sure he will develop one, but he isnt there yet as we saw last night in 2OT.


I would still rather have Wall adapt to the ball moving offense unless Wall can get a shot at the rim. By the way Beal did hit a 3 to tie the game in regulation and also hit a game tying bucket with seconds left to go in the first OT.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,223
And1: 22,626
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#885 » by nate33 » Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:44 pm

dangermouse wrote:
nate33 wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:

Arenas. :cry:

Imagine an Arenas/Beal backcourt! :o


I actually think Beal needs the ball more often than not now. Someone's got to get in Wall's ear (assuming he's here next season) and tell him if he wants this team to go far, he has to give up more possessions to Beal and let the offense run through him. This would allow him to also focus harder and expend more energy on defense (didnt he wanna be all defensive first team?)

However, in the clutch - give it to Wall. Let him be the hero. This satisfies his ego and Beal struggles to create for himself in the dying seconds. He really needs a "go to move" for those situations, and im sure he will develop one, but he isnt there yet as we saw last night in 2OT.

That's only going to work if Wall improves his off-the-ball game. He can't hand it to Beal and then go stand in the corner. He needs to set screens, make back-door cuts, and hone his catch-and-shoot game.
JWizmentality
RealGM
Posts: 14,099
And1: 5,121
Joined: Nov 21, 2004
Location: Cosmic Totality
   

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#886 » by JWizmentality » Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:10 pm

Yup, Wall needs to participate in the offense. We effectively play 4 on 5 most offensive sets because he does absolutely nothing. That's on Brooks. Surely he sees this is a problem.
leswizards
Pro Prospect
Posts: 936
And1: 257
Joined: Jun 09, 2010

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#887 » by leswizards » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:43 pm

So, I was thinking, with wall out, and Beal stepping up his game, are the Wizards in danger of having 2 players getting super max contracts, because they are screwed if they do?
Viva le tank! At this pace, it will never end.
Eli Babak
Pro Prospect
Posts: 764
And1: 524
Joined: Jun 21, 2018
 

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#888 » by Eli Babak » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:49 pm

A team can have only one supermax deal, right? Imagine Beal getting mad about that and demanding a trade. :D #FireGrunfeld
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,223
And1: 22,626
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#889 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:54 pm

leswizards wrote:So, I was thinking, with wall out, and Beal stepping up his game, are the Wizards in danger of having 2 players getting super max contracts, because they are screwed if they do?

He would have to make an All-NBA team in the season before his contract is up, or in two of the seasons prior to his contract year.

Beal is extremely good, but is he a top 6 guard in the league? You can safely assume that Curry, Harden, Kyrie and Lillard will continue to make All-NBA teams in front of him. He'll have to beat out Klay, Westbrook, Simmons, Kemba, Lowry, Jrue, Wall and whoever else emerges in the next couple of years (Fox? Booker?) for one of those last 2 spots.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,223
And1: 22,626
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#890 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:54 pm

Eli Babak wrote:A team can have only one supermax deal, right? Imagine Beal getting mad about that and demanding a trade. :D #FireGrunfeld

You can have 2 supermax deals.
Shanghai Kid
General Manager
Posts: 9,090
And1: 1,396
Joined: Jun 26, 2003

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#891 » by Shanghai Kid » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:06 pm

nate33 wrote:
leswizards wrote:So, I was thinking, with wall out, and Beal stepping up his game, are the Wizards in danger of having 2 players getting super max contracts, because they are screwed if they do?

He would have to make an All-NBA team in the season before his contract is up, or in two of the seasons prior to his contract year.

Beal is extremely good, but is he a top 6 guard in the league? You can safely assume that Curry, Harden, Kyrie and Lillard will continue to make All-NBA teams in front of him. He'll have to beat out Klay, Westbrook, Simmons, Kemba, Lowry, Jrue, Wall and whoever else emerges in the next couple of years (Fox? Booker?) for one of those last 2 spots.


Wait, did you actually just say something complimentary about John Wall? There is still time to go back and replace his name with CJ Mccollum.
User avatar
Meliorus
Analyst
Posts: 3,646
And1: 1,185
Joined: Apr 16, 2015
 

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#892 » by Meliorus » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:09 pm

nate33 wrote:
leswizards wrote:So, I was thinking, with wall out, and Beal stepping up his game, are the Wizards in danger of having 2 players getting super max contracts, because they are screwed if they do?

He would have to make an All-NBA team in the season before his contract is up, or in two of the seasons prior to his contract year.

Beal is extremely good, but is he a top 6 guard in the league? You can safely assume that Curry, Harden, Kyrie and Lillard will continue to make All-NBA teams in front of him. He'll have to beat out Klay, Westbrook, Simmons, Kemba, Lowry, Jrue, Wall and whoever else emerges in the next couple of years (Fox? Booker?) for one of those last 2 spots.


Zach Lowe had Beal on All-NBA 3rd team and starter for Eastern Conference on his podcast recently.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,223
And1: 22,626
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#893 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:11 pm

Shanghai Kid wrote:
nate33 wrote:
leswizards wrote:So, I was thinking, with wall out, and Beal stepping up his game, are the Wizards in danger of having 2 players getting super max contracts, because they are screwed if they do?

He would have to make an All-NBA team in the season before his contract is up, or in two of the seasons prior to his contract year.

Beal is extremely good, but is he a top 6 guard in the league? You can safely assume that Curry, Harden, Kyrie and Lillard will continue to make All-NBA teams in front of him. He'll have to beat out Klay, Westbrook, Simmons, Kemba, Lowry, Jrue, Wall and whoever else emerges in the next couple of years (Fox? Booker?) for one of those last 2 spots.


Wait, did you actually just say something complimentary about John Wall? There is still time to go back and replace his name with CJ Mccollum.

I think I have been very even-handed in my critiques of Wall. When hurt, he has been terrible - an absolutely lazy and cancerous presence on the team. But when Wall is healthy, he is very good at many things and among the top 5-8 PG's in the league. The biggest issue with Wall is that the game is starting to evolve beyond his skill set. Even if Wall returns to his peak 2016 season level, it's not good enough to get this team in contention, even if Beal is playing like he is now. Wall needs to expand his game and learn to be much more active off the ball.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,223
And1: 22,626
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#894 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:19 pm

Meliorus wrote:
nate33 wrote:
leswizards wrote:So, I was thinking, with wall out, and Beal stepping up his game, are the Wizards in danger of having 2 players getting super max contracts, because they are screwed if they do?

He would have to make an All-NBA team in the season before his contract is up, or in two of the seasons prior to his contract year.

Beal is extremely good, but is he a top 6 guard in the league? You can safely assume that Curry, Harden, Kyrie and Lillard will continue to make All-NBA teams in front of him. He'll have to beat out Klay, Westbrook, Simmons, Kemba, Lowry, Jrue, Wall and whoever else emerges in the next couple of years (Fox? Booker?) for one of those last 2 spots.


Zach Lowe had Beal on All-NBA 3rd team and starter for Eastern Conference on his podcast recently.

Yes. Beal has the possibility of doing it. He is helped this year because Westbrook is declining and Lowry is sharing scoring duties with Kawhi, and of course, Wall is out, forcing Beal to carry the load.

But will he be an All-NBA player 2 seasons from now during his final year of his contract? I expect D'Aaron Fox and Ben Simmons to be really, really good by then. Harden, Curry, Kyrie and Lilllard will still be doing their thing (though injuries could happen as they age). We'll have to see if anyone else emerges.
leswizards
Pro Prospect
Posts: 936
And1: 257
Joined: Jun 09, 2010

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#895 » by leswizards » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:29 pm

I hope he gets it. First, I like Beal. Second, If having 2 super max contracts on a team that has struggled to make the playoffs in 3 out the last 4 seasons doesn’t get eg fired, nothing ever will, and at least I will have the satisfaction of seeing ted financially punished for his arrogance and intransigence.
Viva le tank! At this pace, it will never end.
DCZards
RealGM
Posts: 11,143
And1: 4,990
Joined: Jul 16, 2005
Location: The Streets of DC
     

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#896 » by DCZards » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:46 pm

Beal is clearly a wanted man...but this poster (and Beal fan) hopes BB remains in a Zards uni for the foreseeable future.

Heat expressing strong interest in Wizards guard Beal

The Miami Heat are looking to make a deal and have “heavy interest” in Washington Wizards shooting guard Bradley Beal, according to a report from Greg Sylvander of HeatBeatMiami.com.

Beal has reportedly been available — or the Wizards have at least been listening to offers — for the majority of the season. But as Sylvander noted in his thorough roundup of Heat buzz, Beal is averaging 24.8 points, 5.0 rebounds and 5.0 assists and won’t come cheaply.

“Washington’s asking price thus far appears astronomically high and likely too steep, but Miami considers Beal a frontline star with upside,” Sylvander reported.

Beal is indeed reportedly drawing interest from teams other than the Heat. The list reportedly includes the New Orleans Pelicans, who are trying to pair a top-notch wing player next to Anthony Davis.

http://amicohoops.net/heat-expressing-strong-interest-in-wizards-guard-beal/
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,223
And1: 22,626
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#897 » by nate33 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 7:55 pm

DCZards wrote:Beal is clearly a wanted man...but this poster (and Beal fan) hopes BB remains in a Zards uni for the foreseeable future.

Heat expressing strong interest in Wizards guard Beal

The Miami Heat are looking to make a deal and have “heavy interest” in Washington Wizards shooting guard Bradley Beal, according to a report from Greg Sylvander of HeatBeatMiami.com.

Beal has reportedly been available — or the Wizards have at least been listening to offers — for the majority of the season. But as Sylvander noted in his thorough roundup of Heat buzz, Beal is averaging 24.8 points, 5.0 rebounds and 5.0 assists and won’t come cheaply.

“Washington’s asking price thus far appears astronomically high and likely too steep, but Miami considers Beal a frontline star with upside,” Sylvander reported.

Beal is indeed reportedly drawing interest from teams other than the Heat. The list reportedly includes the New Orleans Pelicans, who are trying to pair a top-notch wing player next to Anthony Davis.

http://amicohoops.net/heat-expressing-strong-interest-in-wizards-guard-beal/

Every team in the league is expressing "strong interest" in Bradley Beal. I have "strong interest" in acquiring Stephen Curry and Anthony Davis too. That doesn't make it newsworthy.
DCZards
RealGM
Posts: 11,143
And1: 4,990
Joined: Jul 16, 2005
Location: The Streets of DC
     

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#898 » by DCZards » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:13 pm

nate33 wrote:
DCZards wrote:Beal is clearly a wanted man...but this poster (and Beal fan) hopes BB remains in a Zards uni for the foreseeable future.

Heat expressing strong interest in Wizards guard Beal

The Miami Heat are looking to make a deal and have “heavy interest” in Washington Wizards shooting guard Bradley Beal, according to a report from Greg Sylvander of HeatBeatMiami.com.

Beal has reportedly been available — or the Wizards have at least been listening to offers — for the majority of the season. But as Sylvander noted in his thorough roundup of Heat buzz, Beal is averaging 24.8 points, 5.0 rebounds and 5.0 assists and won’t come cheaply.

“Washington’s asking price thus far appears astronomically high and likely too steep, but Miami considers Beal a frontline star with upside,” Sylvander reported.

Beal is indeed reportedly drawing interest from teams other than the Heat. The list reportedly includes the New Orleans Pelicans, who are trying to pair a top-notch wing player next to Anthony Davis.

http://amicohoops.net/heat-expressing-strong-interest-in-wizards-guard-beal/

Every team in the league is expressing "strong interest" in Bradley Beal. I have "strong interest" in acquiring Stephen Curry and Anthony Davis too. That doesn't make it newsworthy.

I wasn't aware that the Warriors were listening to offers for Curry or that the Pelicans have said that Davis is available. That is indeed newsworthy. :)
payitforward
RealGM
Posts: 24,689
And1: 9,141
Joined: May 02, 2012
Location: On the Atlantic

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#899 » by payitforward » Fri Jan 18, 2019 12:31 am

Whether Beal should be traded, whether Curry or Anthony Davis should be traded, or any other player, comes down to one thing & one thing only: what's the deal?

Would you take James Harden & the #1 pick in next year's draft (i.e. Zion) for Beal, Zards? Of course you would! You're not irrational! :) You'd do it even though you are a "Beal fan." You'd get over it. & it's not liking you'd be selling your child to the devil!

That said, nate might be seeing something in that if the Wizards are putting an "astronomically high" price on Brad, then maybe he isn't really all that available -- despite their listening to offers. I.e., if someone bites, sure, but otherwise the real message might be that he isn't actually on the market.
pcbothwel
Head Coach
Posts: 6,216
And1: 2,779
Joined: Jun 12, 2010
     

Re: Bradley Beal - Part III 

Post#900 » by pcbothwel » Fri Jan 18, 2019 1:33 pm

payitforward wrote:Whether Beal should be traded, whether Curry or Anthony Davis should be traded, or any other player, comes down to one thing & one thing only: what's the deal?

Would you take James Harden & the #1 pick in next year's draft (i.e. Zion) for Beal, Zards? Of course you would! You're not irrational! :) You'd do it even though you are a "Beal fan." You'd get over it. & it's not liking you'd be selling your child to the devil!

That said, nate might be seeing something in that if the Wizards are putting an "astronomically high" price on Brad, then maybe he isn't really all that available -- despite their listening to offers. I.e., if someone bites, sure, but otherwise the real message might be that he isn't actually on the market.


As he shouldnt be. I'd wait until the summer...unless someone wants to overpay :wink:

Return to Washington Wizards