Political Roundtable Part XVIII

[gtn130]

A party that fights two battles, one against itself and one against Republicans will always be at a disadvantage.

Yeah, it's pretty silly. We're out here worried that the DNC is ineffective at governing and too cozy with lobbyists while the RNC and the White House are thinking up new ways to imprison black people and rig the elections.

That's complete nonsense. First of all, both parties rig elections and "imprison" black people. You honestly think the Democrats don't? You talk about it, but I literally had friends and family locked up because of the Clinton crime bill in the 90's. I couldn't vote in the democratic primaries in my state because I wasn't a self-identified democrat. So miss me with the rhetoric.

If you don't demand better from your politicians in a two-party system, you're just a pom-pom waiver.

Why do you think I don't? I'm pretty far left of the DNC/Hillary/Schumer/Pelosi.

My entire thesis here is that it's all moot when Trump and Republicans are the ones in power. Bickering over messaging strategies, governing practices and donor lists is a massive waste of time when Trump is literally trying to find ways to rig the elections and delegitimize our democracy.

Democrats needs to rally around a candidate and win. That's all that matters. In a perfect world that candidate is a progressive policy genius who is wildly effective at governing and can implement every policy we can dream of. Still doesn't matter.

[dckingsfan]

This is a pretty bad way of looking at political donations. Huge sums of money come in anonymously through nonprofits.

There's really no way of knowing for sure which party gets more money from Wall Street, but if I were to venture a guess it would be the party that just cut revenue by $1.5T to give millionaires and corporations a tax break and also wants to further deregulate the financial industry. Just a hunch, though.

Actually, its not. And it explains many things including the tax code. Remember when a certain senator from NV gave a huge carveout to casinos? Remember when the Ds pushed hard for the differentiation between regular and investment income?

The Rs give huge carveouts to their millionaires and billionaires as do the Ds.

Do you see ANY Ds running on getting rid of the carveouts? Any?

So you're advocating we ignore super-PACs and totally anonymous 501(c)4 nonprofit campaigns, and instead focus only on direct public donations, then sort by who has the larger number and declare them THE PARTY OF WALL STREET?

Whatever you say, man lol

You make it so easy to ignore the obvious elephant in the room - I just pointed out a fact that the carveouts are coming from both parties. If you want to say the money didn't influence your party - fine

[FAH1223]

There's no madness and it's not a mystery. GOP prints money and hands it to their friends on Wall Street. Dems don't believe the gov't can print money because their friends on Wall Street tell them they can't.

The authority to print money is in the Constitution and it is reserved to Congress. You'll know Democrats are serious when they propose having Congress run monetary policy. The Federal Open Market Committee of the Federal Reserve should have members of Congress on it.

Go look up campaign donations. The Democrats are the party of Wall Street now.

Both parties are in bed with Wall Street. The one in power though has blatantly given $1.5 trillion away to its masters of the universe.

The Dems aren't that brazen. They do things like public-private partnerships, let big investors gentrify cities and build apartments no one can afford, prevent collective bargaining power... subtle things.

[dckingsfan]

A party that fights two battles, one against itself and one against Republicans will always be at a disadvantage.

Yeah, it's pretty silly. We're out here worried that the DNC is ineffective at governing and too cozy with lobbyists while the RNC and the White House are thinking up new ways to imprison black people and rig the elections.

That's complete nonsense. First of all, both parties rig elections and "imprison" black people. You honestly think the Democrats don't? You talk about it, but I literally had friends and family locked up because of the Clinton crime bill in the 90's. I couldn't vote in the democratic primaries in my state because I wasn't a self-identified democrat. So miss me with the rhetoric.

If you don't demand better from your politicians in a two-party system, you're just a pom-pom waiver.

Careful - don't shine to much light on the fact that the war on drugs and the war on crime came from and was enforced by both parties.

[dckingsfan]

There's no madness and it's not a mystery. GOP prints money and hands it to their friends on Wall Street. Dems don't believe the gov't can print money because their friends on Wall Street tell them they can't.

The authority to print money is in the Constitution and it is reserved to Congress. You'll know Democrats are serious when they propose having Congress run monetary policy. The Federal Open Market Committee of the Federal Reserve should have members of Congress on it.

Go look up campaign donations. The Democrats are the party of Wall Street now.

Both parties are in bed with Wall Street. The one in power though has blatantly given $1.5 trillion away to its masters of the universe.

The Dems aren't that brazen. They do things like public-private partnerships, let big investors gentrify cities and build apartments no one can afford, prevent collective bargaining power... subtle things.

I would say the carveouts to casinos was pretty blatant

[Zonkerbl]

Democrats being imperfect is pretty low hanging fruit when there's a fascist moron in power

People seem to conflate "vote Democrat so we can save our democracy from Trump" with "vote Democrat because the DNC is the absolute best and we LOVE Hillary" quite often

It's not about being imperfect. It's about not using public power to improve people's lives. Democrats just don't believe in governing. They really don't think public servants are legitimate purveyors of power.

The Dems for some reason, perhaps ideology, just aren't bold or brave enough to take on the power structures that are squeezing people dry. Perhaps its cause most of the ones in office are puppets of those powers that be.

Being against Trump as your sole opposition tactic isn't enough. And paying lip service to some progressive issues ain't enough.

There's no madness and it's not a mystery. GOP prints money and hands it to their friends on Wall Street. Dems don't believe the gov't can print money because their friends on Wall Street tell them they can't.

The authority to print money is in the Constitution and it is reserved to Congress. You'll know Democrats are serious when they propose having Congress run monetary policy. The Federal Open Market Committee of the Federal Reserve should have members of Congress on it.

That’s a terrible idea. That’s how you get stagflation. That’s why we set up a quasi-independent fed in the first place.

[gtn130]

Actually, its not. And it explains many things including the tax code. Remember when a certain senator from NV gave a huge carveout to casinos? Remember when the Ds pushed hard for the differentiation between regular and investment income?

The Rs give huge carveouts to their millionaires and billionaires as do the Ds.

Do you see ANY Ds running on getting rid of the carveouts? Any?

So you're advocating we ignore super-PACs and totally anonymous 501(c)4 nonprofit campaigns, and instead focus only on direct public donations, then sort by who has the larger number and declare them THE PARTY OF WALL STREET?

Whatever you say, man lol

You make it so easy to ignore the obvious elephant in the room - I just pointed out a fact that the carveouts are coming from both parties. If you want to say the money didn't influence your party - fine

No, man, you're just moving the goal posts. My singular argument here is that declaring Democrats THE PARTY OF WALL STREET because of direct donations is silly. That's it. That's my argument here.

You're doing a fine job mowing down straw men, though.

[gtn130]

Yeah, it's pretty silly. We're out here worried that the DNC is ineffective at governing and too cozy with lobbyists while the RNC and the White House are thinking up new ways to imprison black people and rig the elections.

That's complete nonsense. First of all, both parties rig elections and "imprison" black people. You honestly think the Democrats don't? You talk about it, but I literally had friends and family locked up because of the Clinton crime bill in the 90's. I couldn't vote in the democratic primaries in my state because I wasn't a self-identified democrat. So miss me with the rhetoric.

If you don't demand better from your politicians in a two-party system, you're just a pom-pom waiver.

Careful - don't shine to much light on the fact that the war on drugs and the war on crime came from and was enforced by both parties.

I genuinely don't understand this sentiment.

gtn130 despises Republicans and thinks they're evil.

That means gtn130 LOVES the Democrats, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Donna Brazile, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz because ____________.

Pls fill in the blank

[Pointgod]

There's no madness and it's not a mystery. GOP prints money and hands it to their friends on Wall Street. Dems don't believe the gov't can print money because their friends on Wall Street tell them they can't.

The authority to print money is in the Constitution and it is reserved to Congress. You'll know Democrats are serious when they propose having Congress run monetary policy. The Federal Open Market Committee of the Federal Reserve should have members of Congress on it.

Go look up campaign donations. The Democrats are the party of Wall Street now.

Both parties are in bed with Wall Street. The one in power though has blatantly given $1.5 trillion away to its masters of the universe.

The Dems aren't that brazen. They do things like public-private partnerships, let big investors gentrify cities and build apartments no one can afford, prevent collective bargaining power... subtle things.

But let’s be intellectually honest. It’s mostly Democrats that are also fighting against all of these things not Republicans. That’s why the both sides are bad speak never works.

[Pointgod]

Yeah, it's pretty silly. We're out here worried that the DNC is ineffective at governing and too cozy with lobbyists while the RNC and the White House are thinking up new ways to imprison black people and rig the elections.

That's complete nonsense. First of all, both parties rig elections and "imprison" black people. You honestly think the Democrats don't? You talk about it, but I literally had friends and family locked up because of the Clinton crime bill in the 90's. I couldn't vote in the democratic primaries in my state because I wasn't a self-identified democrat. So miss me with the rhetoric.

If you don't demand better from your politicians in a two-party system, you're just a pom-pom waiver.

Careful - don't shine to much light on the fact that the war on drugs and the war on crime came from and was enforced by both parties.

So Democrats get penalized for their positions from decades ago that they’ve since realized was a mistake, yet Republicans positions that purposely hurt people now are ignored? That makes as much sense as saying black people should vote Republican because they used to be the anti slavery party centuries ago.

[Wizardspride]

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[gtn130]

That's complete nonsense. First of all, both parties rig elections and "imprison" black people. You honestly think the Democrats don't? You talk about it, but I literally had friends and family locked up because of the Clinton crime bill in the 90's. I couldn't vote in the democratic primaries in my state because I wasn't a self-identified democrat. So miss me with the rhetoric.

If you don't demand better from your politicians in a two-party system, you're just a pom-pom waiver.

Careful - don't shine to much light on the fact that the war on drugs and the war on crime came from and was enforced by both parties.

So Democrats get penalized for their positions from decades ago that they’ve since realized was a mistake, yet Republicans positions that purposely hurt people now are ignored? That makes as much sense as saying black people should vote Republican because they used to be the anti slavery party centuries ago.

in dckingsworld:

-both parties are exactly the same no matter what. If the Rs became Nazis today (odds are live here), Democrats are equally as bad
-everyone is a rube who thinks otherwise
-he's the smart guy in the middle
-only the smart guys in the middle can understand the nuances of sustainable government

[Pointgod]

Careful - don't shine to much light on the fact that the war on drugs and the war on crime came from and was enforced by both parties.

So Democrats get penalized for their positions from decades ago that they’ve since realized was a mistake, yet Republicans positions that purposely hurt people now are ignored? That makes as much sense as saying black people should vote Republican because they used to be the anti slavery party centuries ago.

in dckingsworld:

-both parties are exactly the same no matter what. If the Rs became Nazis today (odds are live here), Democrats are equally as bad
-everyone is a rube who thinks otherwise
-he's the smart guy in the middle
-only the smart guys in the middle can understand the nuances of sustainable government

dckingsfan is an independent. I'm assuming he doesn't have allegiance to anyone party. But there are Liberals and Democrats that follow the same logic which is one way to never get any of your policies passed.

[Ruzious]

A party that fights two battles, one against itself and one against Republicans will always be at a disadvantage.

Yeah, it's pretty silly. We're out here worried that the DNC is ineffective at governing and too cozy with lobbyists while the RNC and the White House are thinking up new ways to imprison black people and rig the elections.

That's complete nonsense. First of all, both parties rig elections and "imprison" black people. You honestly think the Democrats don't? You talk about it, but I literally had friends and family locked up because of the Clinton crime bill in the 90's. I couldn't vote in the democratic primaries in my state because I wasn't a self-identified democrat. So miss me with the rhetoric.

If you don't demand better from your politicians in a two-party system, you're just a pom-pom waiver.

If it's not too personal, can you give some details on the bolded comments? When you say self-identified Democrat, were you a REGISTERED Democrat?

[stilldropin20]

Yeah, it's pretty silly. We're out here worried that the DNC is ineffective at governing and too cozy with lobbyists while the RNC and the White House are thinking up new ways to imprison black people and rig the elections.

That's complete nonsense. First of all, both parties rig elections and "imprison" black people. You honestly think the Democrats don't? You talk about it, but I literally had friends and family locked up because of the Clinton crime bill in the 90's. I couldn't vote in the democratic primaries in my state because I wasn't a self-identified democrat. So miss me with the rhetoric.

If you don't demand better from your politicians in a two-party system, you're just a pom-pom waiver.

If it's not too personal, can you give some details on the bolded comments? When you say self-identified Democrat, were you a REGISTERED Democrat?

You haven’t heard? Clinton locked up more black people than any other president and often multi presidents combined


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[Ruzious]

That's complete nonsense. First of all, both parties rig elections and "imprison" black people. You honestly think the Democrats don't? You talk about it, but I literally had friends and family locked up because of the Clinton crime bill in the 90's. I couldn't vote in the democratic primaries in my state because I wasn't a self-identified democrat. So miss me with the rhetoric.

If you don't demand better from your politicians in a two-party system, you're just a pom-pom waiver.

If it's not too personal, can you give some details on the bolded comments? When you say self-identified Democrat, were you a REGISTERED Democrat?

You haven’t heard? Clinton locked up more black people than any other president and often multi presidents combined


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Do you not understand how stupid that comment sounds?

[nate33]

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I'm just curious. At what point in time did we decide as a society that a young 23-year-old man who lost his temper once and hit his wife shouldn't be permitted to hold down a job 15 years later? Are we prepared to scrutinize the past of every Democrat staffer in DC and hold them to the same standard?

[Ruzious]

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I'm just curious. At what point in time did we decide as a society that a young 23-year-old man who lost his temper once and hit his wife shouldn't be permitted to hold down a job 15 years later? Are we prepared to scrutinize the past of every Democrat staffer in DC and hold them to the same standard?

Bullshyt. Firstly, both of his former wives accused him of abusing them. Secondly, it's rarely a one-time thing when there's physical abuse to a spouse. Thirdly, anyone else accused of this with photographic evidence, would and should normally lose his/her job immediately. Fourthly, if there's any similar legitimate evidence against a Democratic staffer OF COURSE they should be fired immediately. Stop making these clowns out to be martyrs - they are anything but. Everyone's got a skeleton in their closet, but a grown man physically abusing a women and giving her a black eye... implying that's ok in any way... seriously?

[montestewart]

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I'm just curious. At what point in time did we decide as a society that a young 23-year-old man who lost his temper once and hit his wife shouldn't be permitted to hold down a job 15 years later? Are we prepared to scrutinize the past of every Democrat staffer in DC and hold them to the same standard?

The black eye he allegedly inflicted on his first wife happened when he was 27, along with other incidents of physical and verbal abuse. During his second marriage, he was around 32-36, and there are allegations of verbal abuse along with one physical incident. There are also allegations from a girlfriend circa 2016, when he was 39. It sounds like there may be more than just a single rash act at age 23.

I believe in forgiveness, as I've certainly been forgiven some of my own youthful rash acts. But you have to change, and if you don't, you may have to face the consequences, Democrat or Republican. We've seen quite a few Democrats and Republicans go down in flames because their words didn't mesh with their actions.

[Pointgod]

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I'm just curious. At what point in time did we decide as a society that a young 23-year-old man who lost his temper once and hit his wife shouldn't be permitted to hold down a job 15 years later? Are we prepared to scrutinize the past of every Democrat staffer in DC and hold them to the same standard?

Lol is that how the right wing news is spinning it? You are in a sad place man