Offseason Plan

9 and 20 · Post #881 » by **9 and 20** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:59 pm

Need a better starting guard, but Morris is a good start.

One thing about if they get another starting guard is the dreaded Scott Brooks special - Beal at SF with two midgets in the backcourt. WUJ threw some garbage lineups out there at times last year.

WallToWall · Post #882 » by **WallToWall** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:20 pm

assuming we keep Morris at backup PG, we only have Kuzma who is worth anything of value in a trade. Barton will also deliver some trade value. This keeps a core of Beal, KP, Hachimura, Avdija, Gafford as possible starters.

NatP4 · Post #883 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:33 pm

9 and 20 wrote:Need a better starting guard, but Morris is a good start.

One thing about if they get another starting guard is the dreaded Scott Brooks special - Beal at SF with two midgets in the backcourt. WUJ threw some garbage lineups out there at times last year.

Davis is a coaches dream. We’re gonna see a lot of Morris-Beal-Davis lineups, and I think it’ll be fine

NatP4 · Post #884 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:14 pm

Kuzma+Barton and a 2nd for Brogdon. Sign Jalen Smith with the MLE. Give Dotson a two way spot and a role as the backup PG whenever Brogdon is out injured. Call it an off-season.

Brogdon(30) Morris(18) Dotson
Beal (32) Davis (16)
Avdija (28) Kispert (20)
Rui (24) Smith (24) Gill
Porzingis (30) Gafford (18) Carey

Loads of depth where you need it. Plenty of playing time for Avdija, Kispert, and Davis

Post #885 » by **nate33** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:19 pm

NatP4 wrote:Kuzma+Barton and a 2nd for Brogdon. Sign Jalen Smith with the MLE. Give Dotson a two way spot and a role as the backup PG whenever Brogdon is out injured. Call it an off-season.

Brogdon(30) Morris(18) Dotson
Beal (32) Davis (16)
Avdija (28) Kispert (20)
Rui (24) Smith (24) Gill
Porzingis (30) Gafford (18) Carey

Loads of depth where you need it. Plenty of playing time for Avdija, Kispert, and Davis

Works for me. I'm a little averse to trading any future assets for an aging Brogdon in a futile effort to win more games now, but I guess that argument has already been lost. Valuewise and fitwise, this trade scenario certainly works well.

I don't think we could land Jalen Smith though. I think he'll look elsewhere where there are more minutes available. I do like his fit here because he can slide over to smallball center when Porzingis gets hurt.

9 and 20 · Post #886 » by **9 and 20** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:25 pm

NatP4 wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:Need a better starting guard, but Morris is a good start.

One thing about if they get another starting guard is the dreaded Scott Brooks special - Beal at SF with two midgets in the backcourt. WUJ threw some garbage lineups out there at times last year.

Davis is a coaches dream. We’re gonna see a lot of Morris-Beal-Davis lineups, and I think it’ll be fine

Yeah, but if it's Tyus Jones or someone like that, I could see WUJ throwing Jones, Morris, and Beal into a lineup, talking about needing scoring punch or a spark. Then WUJ brings back Thomas Bryant to play center for no good reason at all (again).

NatP4 · Post #887 » by **NatP4** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:28 pm

We can tell Smith he can have that starting spot and as many minutes as he wants. I don’t think Rui has a future with the Wiz, unless he explodes as a legit scoring option/shot creator this year.

Rui has also missed time for just about everything you can imagine, far from reliable. Think right now, his best fit is as a low minute off the bench scoring option.

Maybe 28 minutes for Smith and a starting role. 20 for Rui and an off the bench primary scoring option. Include Smith in the trade if you have to. Plenty of small ball 5 minutes will be there with the way Porzingis misses time.

doclinkin · Post #888 » by **doclinkin** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:46 pm

NatP4 wrote:Rui has also missed time for just about everything you can imagine, far from reliable.

I'm not Rui's biggest supporter, but this is an unfair statement. He got kicked in the groin with enough force that it required a medical procedure and was out for a month and a half. And he had an undisclosed emotional breakdown but battled his way through it to return to play and then missed only one game. He has not been particularly injury prone.

doclinkin · Post #889 » by **doclinkin** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:49 pm

mhd wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:Gill was a decent player for us last year. I saw the Wiz guaranteed him $2 mil. For a team that talks a lot about upgrading at the margins, that seems like maybe not a great decision, or at least a little quick on the trigger. Every year, there are guys who take minimum salary deals towards the middle and end of free agency. Wiz committing to Gill early on is like the other side of the coin of giving Beal his $250 mil. Stuck on mid, afraid to lose guys for nothing, even though they won't make that much difference at all (that fits for both Beal and Gill).

Kispert raved about him as a vet helping him as a rookie. Every time you'd watch the team, he's always cheering and keeping a positive attitude. Whenever he was called upon, Gill was ready to play. You need a 15th man willing to sit on the bench and not play, but at the same time, be ready to play. I have no issues signing Gill for 2 million for this season. Its not like we have cap room anyways. Gill seems like a good vet to have on the bench.

Gill is purportedly a conditioning fanatic. Kispert credited him for making him run and hit weights after practices and games. Kispert seemed to get stronger over the season, which isn't common. I'm fine with Gill as a coach on the end of the bench. He doesn't cost much and his +/- numbers were good whenever the team had to rely on him for spot minutes.

NiteOwl · Post #890 » by **NiteOwl** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:29 pm

With Murray to ATL - Delon Wright should be a target IMO if a bigger swing for the fences option doesn't materialize. I like him a lot as a reserve in the backcourt

80sballboy · Post #891 » by **80sballboy** » Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:41 pm

NiteOwl wrote:With Murray to ATL - Delon Wright should be a target IMO if a bigger swing for the fences option doesn't materialize. I like him a lot as a reserve in the backcourt

I'm sure he was a target and I think he was gone before that trade since he's a FA. He could be heading back to Toronto.

gambitx777 · Post #892 » by **gambitx777** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:29 am

Would anyone at all be upset if we offered the full MLE or a big chunk of it for a 4 year deal for Stick Smith?

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NatP4 · Post #893 » by **NatP4** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:33 am

doclinkin wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Rui has also missed time for just about everything you can imagine, far from reliable.

I'm not Rui's biggest supporter, but this is an unfair statement. He got kicked in the groin with enough force that it required a medical procedure and was out for a month and a half. And he had an undisclosed emotional breakdown but battled his way through it to return to play and then missed only one game. He has not been particularly injury prone.

You would describe Rui as “reliable” ? Guy that has played in 147 games over the first 3 years of his career.

Post #894 » by **penbeast0** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:45 am

WallToWall wrote:assuming we keep Morris at backup PG, we only have Kuzma who is worth anything of value in a trade. Barton will also deliver some trade value. This keeps a core of Beal, KP, Hachimura, Avdija, Gafford as possible starters.

You don't think Kispert is a possible starter at SF? Maybe with Avdija at PF (or Gafford if ops are going big) rather than starting Hachimura?

9 and 20 · Post #895 » by **9 and 20** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 9:37 am

Who is out there that might be a big swing? Monte Morris more of a bunt than a home run. Having Beal accept Terd's $250 mil also doesn't count as a swing. More like being hit in the nuts by a pitch. You're on base but it was painful.

doclinkin · Post #896 » by **doclinkin** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:53 pm

NatP4 wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Rui has also missed time for just about everything you can imagine, far from reliable.

I'm not Rui's biggest supporter, but this is an unfair statement. He got kicked in the groin with enough force that it required a medical procedure and was out for a month and a half. And he had an undisclosed emotional breakdown but battled his way through it to return to play and then missed only one game. He has not been particularly injury prone.

You would describe Rui as “reliable” ? Guy that has played in 147 games over the first 3 years of his career.

A career that included a league-wide shut-down, and many player hours lost to COVID safety protocol due to potential exposure.

Rui has not proven physically fragile. The only question mark you can raise on him is his emotional state. Fair if you see that as a liability. Otherwise the 'missed time for everything you can imagine' phrase is misleading and incorrect.

Dark Faze · Post #897 » by **Dark Faze** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:14 pm

Probably unpopular opinion - But Kuz for 3 years 60 million would be good value imo. I think we underrate his defensive effort and rebounding a lot. With the CBA going up, I think that's going to be a value contract.

payitforward · Post #898 » by **payitforward** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:21 pm

WallToWall wrote:...assuming we keep Morris at backup PG...

I find this incomprehensible. Monte Morris was good enough to start at PG for the Denver Nuggets, a team that's a dozen times better than the Wizards have ever been in their history. But, you'd like to put him at backup for our 30-win team?

In his 2200+ plus minutes for Denver, Morris was more productive than any 1, 2 or 3 on the Washington Wizards last season -- including being significantly more productive than KCP, whose departure everyone bemoans so fearfully.

What the cause of this misapprehension might be, I can't figure out. Maybe it's the desire that, suddenly, a new player appears on the Washington Wizards who will turn everything around all by himself, the desire for a savior, in other words.

Morris isn't that; no one is that. But Monte Morris is the single biggest upgrade at any position on this team in the last several years -- bigger than KP (who is notoriously injury-prone & up-&-down in performance), bigger than our 3 most recent draft picks (that was easy), bigger than Gafford (b/c he only manages 20 minutes a game), & without any real doubt bigger by a whole lot than rookie Johnny Davis is likely to be any time soon.

Does that mean his arrival will turn us into a good team. No, it sure doesn't. We are a long long way away from that. A total rebuild away.

80sballboy · Post #899 » by **80sballboy** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:15 pm

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Frichuela · Post #900 » by **Frichuela** » Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:39 pm

He would be a good get for the MLE in free agency as a defensive minded combo-guard (playing the 1 and 2). Problem is we have a glut now that would stop our youngins (Davis and Kispert in particularly) from getting many minutes...Personally, I'd try to get rid of Barton asap, but this may not be possible..

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