Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011

[fishercob]

Having a partial one game sample of Sullinger I think he dribbles way too much in the post and I'm not a fan of the slow, dribbling back your guy down bump by bump, dribble by dribble style for the pros. I think he's a big strong kid for college with some touch who will not be as big or strong in the pros. I also thought Tim Duncan was too "slow and methodical" to do well in the pros, so I've got that going for me.

Which is nice.....

[W. Unseld]

Before the Dali Lama grants me total enlightment, I should point out that I was impressed with Sullinger's rebounding (probably a terrible sign for the poor kid).

[tontoz]

I hope to be head greenskeeper within 5 years. That's my....my schedule.

Barnes put up 10 three pointers today. Wow


To clarify on Durant i was talking about his lack of athleticism relative to NBA players, not the general population. I am guessing someone might have taken it that way.

[closg00]

Just for fun, Dave Thorpe's draft redo.
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/espn-redraft-2010

[theboomking]

Yes, Barnes put up 10 three's, and hit 4. Overall he went 7/13, but he is statting to become the most dominant player on that team, as opposed to the beginning of the year when he was invisible. I don't think he'll be a top 5 player in the NBA, but I don't think we'd regret the pick either, if Barnes was our hoice. He'd make a nice complement to Wall on the wing.

I do prefer Kanter, but am unsettled as to how I'd stratify my next 3, barnes, Jones, and Sullijger. It's tempting to put Jones last, but to suggest as others have that he isn't a top 5 to 6 prospect is silly.

[tontoz]

Yes, Barnes put up 10 three's, and hit 4. Overall he went 7/13, but he is statting to become the most dominant player on that team, as opposed to the beginning of the year when he was invisible. I don't think he'll be a top 5 player in the NBA, but I don't think we'd regret the pick either, if Barnes was our hoice. He'd make a nice complement to Wall on the wing.

I do prefer Kanter, but am unsettled as to how I'd stratify my next 3, barnes, Jones, and Sullijger. It's tempting to put Jones last, but to suggest as others have that he isn't a top 5 to 6 prospect is silly.

I like the form Barnes has on his shot, a nice high release. I am just surprised he doesn't make more of his jumpers.

I think people are underselling Perry's size/athleticism combination and i dont think he will be a pf. But his lack of effort has to be a pretty big red flag.

[fishercob]

Yes, Barnes put up 10 three's, and hit 4. Overall he went 7/13, but he is statting to become the most dominant player on that team, as opposed to the beginning of the year when he was invisible. I don't think he'll be a top 5 player in the NBA, but I don't think we'd regret the pick either, if Barnes was our hoice. He'd make a nice complement to Wall on the wing.

I do prefer Kanter, but am unsettled as to how I'd stratify my next 3, barnes, Jones, and Sullijger. It's tempting to put Jones last, but to suggest as others have that he isn't a top 5 to 6 prospect is silly.

I like the form Barnes has on his shot, a nice high release. I am just surprised he doesn't make more of his jumpers.

JARVIS HAYES ALERT! JARVIS HAYES ALERT!

Remain calm, motherf*ckers!!!!

[Ruzious]

And people were convinced that Tim Thomas was going to be a star. They just have to use him right - year after year. <Perry Jones sarcasm>

Speaking of a player who's got to be used right - I don't know if there's a way to hide his obvious weaknesses, but Henson is special at what he does well. If he could just get as bulked up as Joe Smith got, that'd be enough for him to avoid getting rag-dolled in the NBA. Nobody as long as he is - is as fast and quick as he is.

[DaRealHibachi]

Question;

Barnes or Williams...???

[tontoz]

Question;

Barnes or Williams...???

Good question. i have no clue. I plan on watching some more games and after that.... i probably still won't have a clue.

[Kanyewest]

When I see this team, I see one player. John Wall. It's John Wall and 14 questionmarks. When looking at the draft or free agency, the only guy I make a consideration for is John Wall. IMO we have one athlete and he's it.

I'm more worried about adding a 2nd difference maker instead of looking for ideal role players to fill out a roster. I guess I just view team building differently. I don't see much hope in constructing the next version of the old Detroit Pistons. And adding guys who might not be capable of defending on an NBA level (Sullinger & Williams) aren't going to get us closer to that Detroit model anyways.

Perhaps we've spent too much time watching the Wizards play that we've seen all their faults but we really don't know what the faults of are the new guys on the block. Granted, I agree that the Wizards will have to find the difference maker in the draft, but this hasn't changed since the beginning of the season IMO. But that doesn't mean that the guys already on the rosters don't have any value because they are merely role players.

[no D in Hibachi]

Question;

Barnes or Williams...???

Barnes. I heard a few years ago that GM's look for three main things when evaluating talent for the draft.

1. Defined NBA position with ability to guard position
2. Ability to make/create shots
3. Potential to improve

I'd say both players have the ability to make/create shots and Barnes may have a bit more potential but the major advantage is that Barnes is a SF from day one without question. You expect that he'll be able to defend other SF's, same can't be said about Williams.

[Rafael122]

Agreed. Williams was your protypical tweener. No real set position. Barnes is a 3 through and through. And there's tons of potential to improve. He's only 18. He hasn't peaked at all.

Williams with a 20 and 6 night. Put up 10 shots so again, another efficient night for him.

The Jimmer scored 52 points last night but went 1-1 from the free throw line.

Kyle Singler scored 29 points. Another guy I'm high on as a possibility in the second round.

[Ruzious]

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but don't be shocked if Henson ends up getting picked before PJones and/or HarBar.

[Ruzious]

It looks likd Kris Joseph is slipping to the 2nd round. The Wiz have to consider him if he's there - if they don't draft a 3 on the 1st round. He's a lot like Wesley Johnson - including being a little older than ideal - a 22 year old junior. He still hasn't proven he has the consistent 3 ball in his arsenal - but a great natural athlete who can run with Wall. He's got to lock himself in a gym and practice shooting 3's all summer.

[no D in Hibachi]

It looks likd Kris Joseph is slipping to the 2nd round. The Wiz have to consider him if he's there - if they don't draft a 3 on the 1st round. He's a lot like Wesley Johnson - including being a little older than ideal - a 22 year old junior. He still hasn't proven he has the consistent 3 ball in his arsenal - but a great natural athlete who can run with Wall. He's got to lock himself in a gym and practice shooting 3's all summer.

Sounds like Rod Grizzard

[tontoz]

Minny and Toronto both won last night and the Hawks lost. Minny has won 2 straight now and has 17 wins.

[Ruzious]

It looks likd Kris Joseph is slipping to the 2nd round. The Wiz have to consider him if he's there - if they don't draft a 3 on the 1st round. He's a lot like Wesley Johnson - including being a little older than ideal - a 22 year old junior. He still hasn't proven he has the consistent 3 ball in his arsenal - but a great natural athlete who can run with Wall. He's got to lock himself in a gym and practice shooting 3's all summer.

Sounds like Rod Grizzard

Good call - Grizzard was a heckuvan athlete when Auburn had uber athletic forwards, but I think he had some injury issues that slowed him down.

[theboomking]

Minny and Toronto both won last night and the Hawks lost. Minny has won 2 straight now and has 17 wins.

Right now we have the third least wins in the league. The Hawks have the 20th least. If we lose tonight, and the Kings beat New Orleans, then we'll own the second most lotto balls outright. I think we deserve the second most balls and will wind up with them. We own the second worst point differential in the league, behind Cleveland.

If Portland beats Atlanta tonight, then the Atlanta pick would be the 19th, and if Memphis could also beat Miami, then that pick would become the 18th.

We're really getting down to it now. Every loss for Washington and Atlanta is huge, as are any wins for Minnesota, Sacremento for our lotto pick. For the Hawks' draft pick, we need to be rooting for wins form Portland, Memphis, NY, Phi, Utah, Pheonix, and Houston. It isn't beyond the pale that all of those teams could gain the 4 games necessary to drop the Hawk's pick to the 13th. Not likely, but not impossible.

Is the Hawk' pick lotto protected?

BTW, with regards to Barnes fitting a defined NBA position, whereas Derrick Williams may not, I agree. The fact that Williams can hit 3's, does not make him an NBA 3. He does not have the handle to be a SF, and from the games I've seen, isn't as good at defending on the perimeter as Sullinger. Love isn't tall, and can shoot from the perimeter. Does that mean he could play SF? I really strongly feel that Williams is a much more natural 4. I was really high on his athleticism, but I think Sullinger, Kanter, Barnes, and maybe even Perry Jones, are better picks than Williams.

[Ruzious]

Zero percent chance the Hawks pick becomes a lotto pick.

I would define the way Williams actually plays as a hybrid forward. His style is a lot like Shawn Marion's in that it involves a lot of cuts to the basket while playing off the ball. He starts off on the perimeter and usually ends up inside. And his pick and rolls can be done from either forward position. What position he ends up getting labelled will probably depend on who he gets teamed with.