LeTravel, LaQween, LaDouche - La Going to LA

[queridiculo]

In no basketball game I've ever seen would any player get called for a travel on that play. He catches the ball with a foot on the ground. That's not a step. Then he does a staggered jump stop (one foot lands, then the other) and launches into the dunk attempt. At most, it's two steps. At full speed, that staggered jump stop looks virtually simultaneous, in which case it's not even two steps.

I wouldn't have called a foul on Plumlee on that play, although he did hit Lebron's hand.

If you wanted to get all ticky-tacky, the refs coulda called Joe Johnson for the reach-in. But I wouldn't have called that either.

I think the refs got that one right all the way around.

You could argue that Plumlee fouls James with his off arm, but up top it's all clean. That said, if Lebron just goes for the lefty layup instead of the fancy dunk, Plumlee doesn't get a chance to block the ball at all.

[montestewart]

In no basketball game I've ever seen would any player get called for a travel on that play. He catches the ball with a foot on the ground. That's not a step. Then he does a staggered jump stop (one foot lands, then the other) and launches into the dunk attempt. At most, it's two steps. At full speed, that staggered jump stop looks virtually simultaneous, in which case it's not even two steps.

I wouldn't have called a foul on Plumlee on that play, although he did hit Lebron's hand.

If you wanted to get all ticky-tacky, the refs coulda called Joe Johnson for the reach-in. But I wouldn't have called that either.

I think the refs got that one right all the way around.

You could argue that Plumlee fouls James with his off arm, but up top it's all clean. That said, if Lebron just goes for the lefty layup instead of the fancy dunk, Plumlee doesn't get a chance to block the ball at all.

Regardless, it's a cool looking play from a great angle. Good eye kanyewest and others. I didn't even see that pass at first, just looked like LeBJ going coast to coast.

[stevemcqueen1]

In no basketball game I've ever seen would any player get called for a travel on that play. He catches the ball with a foot on the ground. That's not a step. Then he does a staggered jump stop (one foot lands, then the other) and launches into the dunk attempt. At most, it's two steps. At full speed, that staggered jump stop looks virtually simultaneous, in which case it's not even two steps.

I wouldn't have called a foul on Plumlee on that play, although he did hit Lebron's hand.

If you wanted to get all ticky-tacky, the refs coulda called Joe Johnson for the reach-in. But I wouldn't have called that either.

I think the refs got that one right all the way around.

Wasn't a travel in today's game. The reach by Joe Johnson definitely would have been ticky tack because he pulls his hand away so fast you can barely tell he touched LeBron.

The block up top was clean. When the offensive player's hand is in contact with the ball, then it is considered part of the ball. Plumlee's contact with LeBron's hand didn't constitute a foul because of that. The issue with the off hand contact is covered by Plumlee going straight up. He's allowed vertical space and you can see he's using the off hand to protect himself as LeBron jumps into that space.

I agree that the refs got it right. It was a really damn good play from Plumlee.

[stevemcqueen1]

Also, I saw a rule where a defender is allowed to briefly place his hand on the offensive player at any time so long as the action doesn't alter the player's movement, which includes speed, quickness, balance, rhythm. I think it's clear that Johnson's contact was incidental and did not effect LeBron's movement at all.

[Zonkerbl]

Wow. Is that him complaining it was a foul? Smacking his hand repeatedly? Which is considered part of the ball and therefore not a foul?

[Zonkerbl]

In no basketball game I've ever seen would any player get called for a travel on that play. He catches the ball with a foot on the ground. That's not a step. Then he does a staggered jump stop (one foot lands, then the other) and launches into the dunk attempt. At most, it's two steps. At full speed, that staggered jump stop looks virtually simultaneous, in which case it's not even two steps.

I wouldn't have called a foul on Plumlee on that play, although he did hit Lebron's hand.

If you wanted to get all ticky-tacky, the refs coulda called Joe Johnson for the reach-in. But I wouldn't have called that either.

I think the refs got that one right all the way around.

You could argue that Plumlee fouls James with his off arm, but up top it's all clean. That said, if Lebron just goes for the lefty layup instead of the fancy dunk, Plumlee doesn't get a chance to block the ball at all.

Yeah but you are also taught by NBA coaches to go strong to the hole because it's more likely to draw a foul. Good play by Plumlee.

[queridiculo]

The issue with the off hand contact is covered by Plumlee going straight up. He's allowed vertical space and you can see he's using the off hand to protect himself as LeBron jumps into that space.

You're allowed to go straight up and absorb contact with your body, using your hand to make contact with the offensive player is a foul nevertheless.

He impedes Lebron's momentum with his offhand and gains an advantage as a result.

[Zonkerbl]

Judgment call. Ref is allowed to determine whether he really got an advantage or not. I guess he figured not. Or he didn't see it.

[stevemcqueen1]

The issue with the off hand contact is covered by Plumlee going straight up. He's allowed vertical space and you can see he's using the off hand to protect himself as LeBron jumps into that space.

You're allowed to go straight up and absorb contact with your body, using your hand to make contact with the offensive player is a foul nevertheless.

He impedes Lebron's momentum with his offhand and gains an advantage as a result.

I think that's a big stretch to say he impedes LeBron's momentum. LeBron would have dunked it easily if Plumlee hadn't blocked it with his right hand.

[jeffsays]

Judgment call. Ref is allowed to determine whether he really got an advantage or not. I guess he figured not. Or he didn't see it.

"They ain't calling that ****" - Kobe

[Nivek]

Wow. Is that him complaining it was a foul? Smacking his hand repeatedly? Which is considered part of the ball and therefore not a foul?

Kinda shocking. Athletes NEVER complain about refs.

[Zonkerbl]

Wow. Is that him complaining it was a foul? Smacking his hand repeatedly? Which is considered part of the ball and therefore not a foul?

Kinda shocking. Athletes NEVER complain about refs.

But don't most players at least understand the rules?

[Nivek]

Wow. Is that him complaining it was a foul? Smacking his hand repeatedly? Which is considered part of the ball and therefore not a foul?

Kinda shocking. Athletes NEVER complain about refs.

But don't most players at least understand the rules?

I'd be surprised if most players knew the rule book well -- including basic stuff. A lot of coaches don't know the nuances either.

This particular one seems pretty basic. Maybe Lebron just never encountered it through the years. Or, maybe he's a vile and disgusting cheater who was trying to trick the refs.

[kirubel94]

Looks like another Lebron first round stomp.

[hands11]

The issue with the off hand contact is covered by Plumlee going straight up. He's allowed vertical space and you can see he's using the off hand to protect himself as LeBron jumps into that space.

You're allowed to go straight up and absorb contact with your body, using your hand to make contact with the offensive player is a foul nevertheless.

He impedes Lebron's momentum with his offhand and gains an advantage as a result.

No he doesn't.

That off hand does nothing more that help him gauge how LeBron is coming toward him. He never puts any force into it and it end up against this stomach as LeBron crashes into him.

If there was going to be a foul, it was on the reach in before LeBron jumps. I could have seen that getting called because it gets call all the time. It wasn't much of a reach in but it was a reach in. He gets LeBron on the chest and arm.

[fishercob]

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[queridiculo]

I was thinking of this thread yesterday when Lebron acted like he just took a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the throat after a hard fould by Douglas Roberts.

It's really sad how much like soccer players some of these guys are behaving nowadays, and worst of all, one of the strongest and most skilled players in the NBA.

[montestewart]

I was thinking of this thread yesterday when Lebron acted like he just took a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the throat after a hard fould by Douglas Roberts.

It's really sad how much like soccer players some of these guys are behaving nowadays, and worst of all, one of the strongest and most skilled players in the NBA.

More like professional wrestlers

[Sonny Carson]

I was thinking of this thread yesterday when Lebron acted like he just took a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the throat after a hard fould by Douglas Roberts.

It's really sad how much like soccer players some of these guys are behaving nowadays, and worst of all, one of the strongest and most skilled players in the NBA.

So wait..

he takes a running forearm from a 240 pound man in the throat......and he's a drama queen for that?

hahaha. Have you ever got in the throat at full speed? C'mon. And it wasnt Douglas Roberts. It was Josh McRoberts...a 7 footer. I could see if he got hit in the chest or somewhere else....but a shot to throat...makes people question his behavior?

[montestewart]

I was thinking of this thread yesterday when Lebron acted like he just took a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick to the throat after a hard fould by Douglas Roberts.

It's really sad how much like soccer players some of these guys are behaving nowadays, and worst of all, one of the strongest and most skilled players in the NBA.

So wait..

he takes a running forearm from a 240 pound man in the throat......and he's a drama queen for that?

hahaha. Have you ever got in the throat at full speed? C'mon. And it wasnt Douglas Roberts. It was Josh McRoberts...a 7 footer. I could see if he got hit in the chest or somewhere else....but a shot to throat...makes people question his behavior?

BURN THE WITCH!!!