Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[Silvie Lysandra]

Not really. Do you really want a backcourt who can't shoot next to a star wing player? Iggy would be a good fit in Dallas, and not a good fit in LA unless they got rid of Artest, or he became some kind of triangle PG, or he came off the bench (which would be nasty).

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Perhaps it's time to start laying down some ship Heinrich out trade deadline ideas.

Who wants to start?

[tontoz]

Perhaps it's time to start laying down some ship Heinrich out trade deadline ideas.

Who wants to start?

I already posted one that i think would be popular here.

Jamal Crawford (expirer) for Hinrich. As bad a fit as Hinrich is here i think he would work out fine with the Hawks. All they have at the point is Bibby (just a spot up shooter) and Teague (hasn't shown much).

Obviously you guys would have no use for Crawford other than for cap relief but at least you would be rid of Hinrich. Or you could trade Crawford for something you want.

[Dat2U]

I think Iggy would fail in Flip's offense much like Butler did. We don't need a ball dominant SF; we need a "3 and D" SF.

I guess I'd do it purely for the cap savings. We're turning Arenas into two, younger players with 3 years remaining instead of four. I have hard time believing the other sides would go for it though.

Just me, but I wouldn't be making personnel decisions solely based on Flip's offense. We talked for years about finding players to fit Eddie's offense and it really did us a lot of good. Because all I ever do nowadays is reminisce over those great years of mediocrity.

Bottom line, our guys don't really fit Flip's offense as is. Wall isn't a great jump shooter. McGee isn't very skilled offensively and those two are supposed to be our two untouchables, the guys were building around. And I really don't know how long Flip is going to be here. I don't see any incarnation of Flip's teams winning an NBA championship. That should be the ultimate goal. Building a team that compete for a title, not building a team that can execute a coach's offense. Flip is a placeholder even in the best case scenario. Add the pieces, let the talent determine which direction to go in and find a coach/system to mold those pieces together. Were still at step one. Adding talent. Adding Iggy is a significant talent upgrade. And at 26, he's in the prime of his career.

[TGW]

I think Iggy would fail in Flip's offense much like Butler did. We don't need a ball dominant SF; we need a "3 and D" SF.

I guess I'd do it purely for the cap savings. We're turning Arenas into two, younger players with 3 years remaining instead of four. I have hard time believing the other sides would go for it though.

Just me, but I wouldn't be making personnel decisions solely based on Flip's offense. We talked for years about finding players to fit Eddie's offense and it really did us a lot of good. Because all I ever do nowadays is reminisce over those great years of mediocrity.

Bottom line, our guys don't really fit Flip's offense as is. Wall isn't a great jump shooter. McGee isn't very skilled offensively and those two are supposed to be our two untouchables, the guys were building around. And I really don't know how long Flip is going to be here. I don't see any incarnation of Flip's teams winning an NBA championship. That should be the ultimate goal. Building a team that compete for a title, not building a team that can execute a coach's offense. Flip is a placeholder even in the best case scenario. Add the pieces, let the talent determine which direction to go in and find a coach/system to mold those pieces together. Were still at step one. Adding talent. Adding Iggy is a significant talent upgrade. And at 26, he's in the prime of his career.

I agree with this, although you have to wonder how Iggy would fit with Wall, the player we are building this team around. Iggy seems to be a bigger, yet less talented, version of Wall in that he needs the ball in his hands in order to be effective. Can he play off the ball? Can he knock down the open j consistently?

If you bring in Iggy, you need to bring in a sharp-shooter at the 2, and maybe even at the 4 as well, because you're not going to get great shooting from your 1 and 3.

[WizarDynasty]

i definitely don't see iggy as a talent upgrade. He can't knock down the three and his defense is overated. he is playing the small forward spot and can't even block shots. i think Gee has more potential and probably even a better player than iggy. The only thing iggy can do that stands out is his passing. I would definitely pass on him.

[nate33]

I think Iggy would fail in Flip's offense much like Butler did. We don't need a ball dominant SF; we need a "3 and D" SF.

I guess I'd do it purely for the cap savings. We're turning Arenas into two, younger players with 3 years remaining instead of four. I have hard time believing the other sides would go for it though.

Just me, but I wouldn't be making personnel decisions solely based on Flip's offense. We talked for years about finding players to fit Eddie's offense and it really did us a lot of good. Because all I ever do nowadays is reminisce over those great years of mediocrity.

Bottom line, our guys don't really fit Flip's offense as is. Wall isn't a great jump shooter. McGee isn't very skilled offensively and those two are supposed to be our two untouchables, the guys were building around. And I really don't know how long Flip is going to be here. I don't see any incarnation of Flip's teams winning an NBA championship. That should be the ultimate goal. Building a team that compete for a title, not building a team that can execute a coach's offense. Flip is a placeholder even in the best case scenario. Add the pieces, let the talent determine which direction to go in and find a coach/system to mold those pieces together. Were still at step one. Adding talent. Adding Iggy is a significant talent upgrade. And at 26, he's in the prime of his career.

It's a fair point that we don't need to commit ourselves to Flip's system. But nevertheless, I don't think Iggy is a good fit here. Iggy is a bad fit in most places because he can't shoot. The only way to make it work is if we have good shooting from the PG, SG and PF spots to make up for him. I don't think we meet that qualification as long as we have Wall on the roster (unless Wall dramatically improves his jumper, which is certainly possible).

[nate33]

I wonder if Philly would be open to trading Brand?

Arenas for Brand will really address a lot of issues on our roster. It clears up some leadership roles, it gets people into their natural position, and it gets us a low post banger and a guy that can push Blatche to raise his game. It'll mean the end of our backcourt controversy, the end of Hilton Armstrong in the regular rotation, and hopefully the end of our embarrassing defensive rotations since Brand is a pretty smart basketball player. And since we have another starting-caliber PF in Blatche, we can reduce Brand's minutes to hopefully keep him healthy.

PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Young/Hinrich
SF Howard/Gee
PF Brand/Blatche
C McGee/Blatche
End of Bench: Martin, Thornton, Booker, Yi, Seraphin, Armstrong

That's a real good looking team on paper. We have a pure two-way players at every starting position, and good combo players off the bench. Hell, that's a playoff team if Wall comes around and if everyone stays pretty healthy.

The only problem is Philly doesn't really have a need for Arenas. It might have to be a three way.

[LyricalRico]

So Gil's gone AND Blatche gets benched? I'm in!

[paulpressey25]

Guys, here in Milwaukee we are watching our season go down the drain.

Some of us would like to get Hinrich reunited with Scott Skiles as our backup guards are horrible. We need someone to fill the Luke Ridnour role from last season.

What reasonable deals might you want for Hinrich? We don't have a lot of good trading assets.

[ErikChowbay023]

Larry Sanders would be nice.

[Ed Wood]

Guys, here in Milwaukee we are watching our season go down the drain.

Some of us would like to get Hinrich reunited with Scott Skiles as our backup guards are horrible. We need someone to fill the Luke Ridnour role from last season.

What reasonable deals might you want for Hinrich? We don't have a lot of good trading assets.

Well one of Ilyasova, Mbah a Moute or Sanders would be great, uh, how do we do this without taking back Drew Gooden? I'd love to swap him for Ilyasova and like CDR (you guys are still tired of him, yes?) or something but I don't think salaries are gonna match on anything attractive on our end.

[willbcocks]

Milwaukee Fan: I would like to offer my condolences to you for the terrible moves your GM made this past summer. We have traded the #5 pick for Randy Foye before so I can assure you, we feel your pain. Then again, having the soul of your up and coming team ripped out and then thrown away probably feels worse than not drafting curry, sucking, then getting John Wall.

[nate33]

Guys, here in Milwaukee we are watching our season go down the drain.

Some of us would like to get Hinrich reunited with Scott Skiles as our backup guards are horrible. We need someone to fill the Luke Ridnour role from last season.

What reasonable deals might you want for Hinrich? We don't have a lot of good trading assets.

Hinrich is certainly not in our long term plans so he is available. That said, the coaching staff likes him a lot. Accordingly, it's likely that the front office is less willing to move him than the fan base is.

Looking at your roster, it's hard to figure out a way to make a Hinrich deal work. The Wizards are trying to keep their free agency options open in 2011 and/or 2012 so a long term salary would be unacceptable. You don't have many short term "filler" contracts.

The only thing that would be remotely possible would be something centered around Redd for Hinrich. The Wizards would have to throw in some filler to balance it out. The closest thing I could work out is:

Washington sends: Hinrich, Yi, Thornton
Milwaukee sends: Redd

This is a pure money saving move for the Wizards. As I understand it, Redd's salary is insured so the Wizards wouldn't actually have to pay him. And the Wizards end up dumping the final year of Hinrich's contract. Nevertheless, I don't think the Wizards would go for it. Hinrich, Thornton and Yi may not be in the Wizards' future plans, but they are veterans whom Flip has grown to trust (well, except Yi). I think Flip might blow his brains out if he had to field a roster composed exclusively of Arenas plus a bunch of sub-25-year-olds.

Maybe it could work at the Trade Deadline if the Wizards are clearly out of contention for a playoff seed. But Milwaukee needs help before then.

[Dat2U]

Nate, sign me up for that trade. That's addition by subtraction. Hinrich is the only useful NBA player but he's just a bad fit here and realistically our 4th best guard. Thornton can be replaced by Gee/Martin and eventually Howard. Yi can be replaced with a cardboard cutout or folding chair.

Make that deal and sign the best PG available in the NBDL. When Howard is healthy, a 3-guard rotation of Wall, Arenas & Young would be fine going forward.

[nate33]

Nate, sign me up for that trade. That's addition by subtraction. Hinrich is the only useful NBA player but he's just a bad fit here and realistically our 4th best guard. Thornton can be replaced by Gee/Martin and eventually Howard. Yi can be replaced with a cardboard cutout or folding chair.

Make that deal and sign the best PG available in the NBDL. When Howard is healthy, a 3-guard rotation of Wall, Arenas & Young would be fine going forward.

Yup. The more I think about it, the more I like it too. The only real problem is that it hurts our depth. Our lineup would be fine without Hinrich, Thornton and Yi if we were healthy, but once guys start getting dinged up, things could get bad real quick.

It would sure be nice if make the trade and then watch Booker, Seraphin, Young and McGee continue to excel with their more prominent roles. If we make a strong push in the second half and play .500 ball or better, things could get interesting in the offseason. We'd have a strong trio at guard in place with Wall, Arenas and Young, and an up-and-coming rotation up front with Blatche, McGee, Booker and Seraphin. That's a team that needs one top notch scoring threat at SF to be a contender. Carmelo Anthony, anyone?

[Wizardspride]

Nate, sign me up for that trade. That's addition by subtraction. Hinrich is the only useful NBA player but he's just a bad fit here and realistically our 4th best guard. Thornton can be replaced by Gee/Martin and eventually Howard. Yi can be replaced with a cardboard cutout or folding chair.

Make that deal and sign the best PG available in the NBDL. When Howard is healthy, a 3-guard rotation of Wall, Arenas & Young would be fine going forward.

Yup. The more I think about it, the more I like it too. The only real problem is that it hurts our depth. Our lineup would be fine without Hinrich, Thornton and Yi if we were healthy, but once guys start getting dinged up, things could get bad real quick.

It would sure be nice if make the trade and then watch Booker, Seraphin, Young and McGee continue to excel with their more prominent roles. If we make a strong push in the second half and play .500 ball or better, things could get interesting in the offseason. We'd have a strong trio at guard in place with Wall, Arenas and Young, and an up-and-coming rotation up front with Blatche, McGee, Booker and Seraphin. That's a team that needs one top notch scoring threat at SF to be a contender. Carmelo Anthony, anyone?

How about possibly trading our number 1 (depending upon where we're selecting) for Danny Granger?

[nate33]

Nate, sign me up for that trade. That's addition by subtraction. Hinrich is the only useful NBA player but he's just a bad fit here and realistically our 4th best guard. Thornton can be replaced by Gee/Martin and eventually Howard. Yi can be replaced with a cardboard cutout or folding chair.

Make that deal and sign the best PG available in the NBDL. When Howard is healthy, a 3-guard rotation of Wall, Arenas & Young would be fine going forward.

Yup. The more I think about it, the more I like it too. The only real problem is that it hurts our depth. Our lineup would be fine without Hinrich, Thornton and Yi if we were healthy, but once guys start getting dinged up, things could get bad real quick.

It would sure be nice if make the trade and then watch Booker, Seraphin, Young and McGee continue to excel with their more prominent roles. If we make a strong push in the second half and play .500 ball or better, things could get interesting in the offseason. We'd have a strong trio at guard in place with Wall, Arenas and Young, and an up-and-coming rotation up front with Blatche, McGee, Booker and Seraphin. That's a team that needs one top notch scoring threat at SF to be a contender. Carmelo Anthony, anyone?

How about possibly trading our number 1 (depending upon where we're selecting) for Danny Granger?

I don't see Indy doing that unless it's a top 3 pick - and even then, I'm not so sure.

[Ruzious]

I think what we'll see is the team keeping Arenas and trading Hinrich for an expiring. The reason to keep Hinrich was to help Wall develop, and Wall's shown he's ready for prime time. Now, they've got a situation where there's a minutes crunch especially when Howard's ready. Young's gotta get 30 minutes a game. Martin and Gee should each get a few minutes. Thornton could actually find himself stuck on the bench. Hinrich really can't help the team much, at this point. Hopefully, he can help a playoff team.

[penbeast0]

Washington sends: Hinrich, Yi, Thornton
Milwaukee sends: Redd

I'm up for that one too; particularly if Howard is actually practicing again so we can use him in our rotation.