Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[Deeptu McPullup]

The advanced defensive stats from VANTAGE on Porter that came out awhile back pushed me over to his camp fairly firmly, so I'm not encouraged to see Ford and his legit sources giving us wiretap wedgies here:

While Noel has been a fixture at the top of Ford’s “Big Board,” the draft analyst said UK’s former center is by no means a sure thing to be chosen No. 1.

Georgetown’s Otto Porter and Maryland’s Alex Len are two other players the Cavs are contemplating with their pick, according to Ford.

“The Cavs, like most teams, have a process they go through,” Ford told the Herald-Leader. “At this stage, they are bringing players in for interviews, going over the medicals and if healthy, having players work out. Where the call is close between prospects, this can be the final determining factor.

“I think they like Noel, but I don’t get the sense from them at all that this is a done deal. If someone else wows them, or if there are more concerns about Noel’s recovery, they could go in a different direction.”

Ford put the odds of Noel going with the top pick at “60 to 65 percent.”

http://ukrecruiting.bloginky.com/2013/0 ... no-1-pick/

Len is being thrown around, but I'd bet my Sunday undergarments that it'd be Porter. He'd cover for a lot of Irving's deficiencies as a playmaker while stitching the frayed seams up nicely in general.

At that point, despite the "Magic need a guard" rumblings, I don't see how they let Noal drop as he's perfect next to and covering for Big Voose (and with Tobias Harris if they plan to use him as a 4, for that matter). Of course if they do let Nerlens get to three, we have reason for excitement, but......

Porter and Noel off the board 1-2 is a....... NIGHTMARE SCENARIO!!!*

At that point, I'm all about the trade backs. I like Office Dipo, but....it's a tough fit and he might not even be under consideration.

The only good news other than a wonderful and unforeseen trade whisking us out of that gunked up gulley would be that if Cleveland wanted Porter that much, we might be poised to trade up for Noel with just a marginal outlay of confetti and corn dogs.

*That is, it's a nightmare if you're not optimistic that a guy with about four or five massive question marks who looked gassed as a hot and cold one-way player logging 27 MPG over 35 games is poised to become a high usage, high minute two-way player over 82.

[Zonkerbl]

Does anyone else smell smoke (being blown out of a gms butt)?

[Zonkerbl]

I don't know if we can we afford to wait on Len for 3 years though? 3 years is a long time.

This is an important year for The Wizards. They have to show improvement this year and I think Porter will improve the teams prospects both long and short term.

Quite the opposite -- we have Nene and if we need another big for a few years we can always just resign Okafor. We're precisely in the perfect situation to draft a big and let him develop.

[tontoz]

Cavs have held their cards very close to the vest the the last two years. Their fans had no idea that they were interested in Waiters and TT.

[WizarDynasty]

a dominant two way player ...a slow finesse player that hates body contact? Rookies lol.

Hey, great call on Aminu.

I know. That's why we traded for his backup lol. How ironic.

[Dark Faze]

I agree Deeptu about the nightmare scenario, but why on earth would they not make a call to us in that scenario to fascilitate a trade? They'd literally be turning down a prospect or some pieces for nothing.

[Ruzious]

Does anyone else smell smoke (being blown out of a gms butt)?

It's a process

...of blowing smoke out of other gm's hindq's

...and using Chad Ford for their amusement.

[stevemcqueen1]

a dominant two way player ...a slow finesse player that hates body contact? Rookies lol.

Hey, great call on Aminu.

I know. That's why we traded for his backup lol. How ironic.

Ariza is better than Aminu.

[go'stags]

My only question about Len is his foot. His foot scares me. Stress fractures on big guys always scare me.

I understand all of the other concerns surrounding him, and they are real, but I am very confident he will address them.

If we can somehow determine that his foot is just a minor blip and not something that will be recurring (not something I would neccesarily trust the Wizards to do), I would trade our first rounder next year for a pick this year to select him, and in a heartbeat.

He and Porter make for a great, franchise-defining draft.

[Dark Faze]

I agree, would love to trade next years first and some assets we currently have to get Len. Unfortunately though we'd probably need a top 8 pick to land him if not higher than that, and that's tough to get.

[fishercob]

I agree, would love to trade next years first and some assets we currently have to get Len. Unfortunately though we'd probably need a top 8 pick to land him if not higher than that, and that's tough to get.

Only way I see it happening to to take on terrible contracts. FOr instance, give Phoenix Ariza, #38 and or first next year for #5, Beasley, Channing Frye, and a punch in the face. I still don't think they do it.

[closg00]

Porter and Noel off the board 1-2 is a....... NIGHTMARE SCENARIO!!!*

Nah, supposedly we like Bennett a lot. If Porter and Noel are gone, we probably take Bennett/Len/Zeller and declare victory.

[fishercob]

Cavs have held their cards very close to the vest the the last two years. Their fans had no idea that they were interested in Waiters and TT.

This is a fabulous point and an important reminder to take any report of a team's intent or what they're "considering" with a grain of salt.

A year ago at this time, Thomas Robinson was widely considered the odds-on favorite to go #2 to Charlotte.

Then, just half an hour before the start of last year's draft, Ford posted an updated mock, version 10.2, in which he reported the following about Charlotte's direction with the #2 pick:

Analysis: Sources say the Bobcats will trade this pick to Cleveland. The Cavs need both a starting 2 and a starting 3. Beal gives the Cavs a lethal backcourt with Kyrie Irving. He's a big-time shooter and can really stroke the basketball.

No trade happened. Cats were reportedly locked in on MKG all along. As Leonsis likes to say, "no one knows nothing." An overwhelming majority of the reports that reach people like us are smoke.

[sfam]

The advanced defensive stats from VANTAGE on Porter that came out awhile back pushed me over to his camp fairly firmly, so I'm not encouraged to see Ford and his legit sources giving us wiretap wedgies here:

While Noel has been a fixture at the top of Ford’s “Big Board,” the draft analyst said UK’s former center is by no means a sure thing to be chosen No. 1.

Georgetown’s Otto Porter and Maryland’s Alex Len are two other players the Cavs are contemplating with their pick, according to Ford.

“The Cavs, like most teams, have a process they go through,” Ford told the Herald-Leader. “At this stage, they are bringing players in for interviews, going over the medicals and if healthy, having players work out. Where the call is close between prospects, this can be the final determining factor.

“I think they like Noel, but I don’t get the sense from them at all that this is a done deal. If someone else wows them, or if there are more concerns about Noel’s recovery, they could go in a different direction.”

Ford put the odds of Noel going with the top pick at “60 to 65 percent.”

http://ukrecruiting.bloginky.com/2013/0 ... no-1-pick/

Len is being thrown around, but I'd bet my Sunday undergarments that it'd be Porter. He'd cover for a lot of Irving's deficiencies as a playmaker while stitching the frayed seams up nicely in general.

At that point, despite the "Magic need a guard" rumblings, I don't see how they let Noal drop as he's perfect next to and covering for Big Voose (and with Tobias Harris if they plan to use him as a 4, for that matter). Of course if they do let Nerlens get to three, we have reason for excitement, but......

Porter and Noel off the board 1-2 is a....... NIGHTMARE SCENARIO!!!*

At that point, I'm all about the trade backs. I like Office Dipo, but....it's a tough fit and he might not even be under consideration.

The only good news other than a wonderful and unforeseen trade whisking us out of that gunked up gulley would be that if Cleveland wanted Porter that much, we might be poised to trade up for Noel with just a marginal outlay of confetti and corn dogs.

*That is, it's a nightmare if you're not optimistic that a guy with about four or five massive question marks who looked gassed as a hot and cold one-way player logging 27 MPG over 35 games is poised to become a high usage, high minute two-way player over 82.

Just to be clear, I'm all in favor of that nightmare scenario - that would mean we likely choose Bennett!

Not that I really want our choices taken away though - ideally I'd like all three to be available for the Wizards to choose who they think is best, but I hardly consider that a nightmare scenario. This draft is just not about having a Lebron-like talent at the top, and then chopped liver below. Most of these top choices are pretty close to one another in terms of talent. From that standpoint, its now all about who fits better.

[pancakes3]

Porter and Noel off the board 1-2 is a....... NIGHTMARE SCENARIO!!!*

Nah, supposedly we like Bennett a lot. If Porter and Noel are gone, we probably take Bennett/Len/Zeller and declare victory.

LIke Dewey over Truman

[stevemcqueen1]

I still don't think Porter will go #1. He's not a #1 overall pick athlete and he didn't put up dominant scoring numbers.

[Dat2U]

Just to be clear, I'm all in favor of that nightmare scenario - that would mean we likely choose Bennett!

Not that I really want our choices taken away though - ideally I'd like all three to be available for the Wizards to choose who they think is best, but I hardly consider that a nightmare scenario. This draft is just not about having a Lebron-like talent at the top, and then chopped liver below. Most of these top choices are pretty close to one another in terms of talent. From that standpoint, its now all about who fits better.

Does ever really turn out that way? Do you really think the top 5 in the draft are going to end up having comparable careers? I disagree, I think this draft is littered with potholes. Some very likely in the top 5. IMO it's about getting the safest player from this draft and hoping we don't blow it.

I don't know if it's a nightmare scenario or not, but whatever the case may be, we need to get it right and I'm pretty confident that there's going to be a lot of blown picks in this draft.

[Dat2U]

Cavs have held their cards very close to the vest the the last two years. Their fans had no idea that they were interested in Waiters and TT.

This is a fabulous point and an important reminder to take any report of a team's intent or what they're "considering" with a grain of salt.

A year ago at this time, Thomas Robinson was widely considered the odds-on favorite to go #2 to Charlotte.

Then, just half an hour before the start of last year's draft, Ford posted an updated mock, version 10.2, in which he reported the following about Charlotte's direction with the #2 pick:

Analysis: Sources say the Bobcats will trade this pick to Cleveland. The Cavs need both a starting 2 and a starting 3. Beal gives the Cavs a lethal backcourt with Kyrie Irving. He's a big-time shooter and can really stroke the basketball.

No trade happened. Cats were reportedly locked in on MKG all along. As Leonsis likes to say, "no one knows nothing." An overwhelming majority of the reports that reach people like us are smoke.

I don't see Len being a realistic option in Cleveland. They've been big on advanced statistics and Len won't measure up well compared to the others. I do think there's a chance Porter is the pick because he would be a great fit, a need pick & his advanced stats make him look really good. If you want to look for a darkhorse pick, I'd say it's Oladipo because he's got top pick type athleticism combined with the advanced numbers that support his worthiness of a top pick.

Charlotte always seems to leak a candidate that isn't on their radar. MJ has done this since the Rodney White days during the Kwame Brown draft. I suspect that they may lean SG in this draft. Either McLemore or Oladipo.

[verbal8]

Why would Zeller or his agent want him not to go in the top 3? More likely, is they they don't think he's under serious consideration so why waste their time. That being said, it doesn't speak well for him as a competitor if he doesn't think he can earn his way into the top 3.

Very strange.

This refusal is even stranger to me: Erick Green. Maybe he has a 1st round/early 2nd promise. The Cavs have 2 of the first 3 2nds and could use a combo-guard.

[BruceO]

so much debate on the one year where the consensus pick in every draft site has us picking porter.
For the record as individual players maybe bennet is better. But when it comes to the team game and building a structurally sound team where players don't have an obvious deficiency that can be exploited porter is the obvious pick.
The bottom line is defensively and not offensively there may be very little separation between bennet and all the other beasley's a derrick williams drafted. Structurally they will be exploited in the playoffs by big frontlines. If we faced a theoretical frontline of Bynum and gasol, who would he guard? He will be continously exploited. History also says the bigger power forwards have been more succesful in winning championships. Thats why i find it easy to predict series winners in the NBA. I look at the top three guards and top three bigs and how the small forward helps them both. Unless bennet is playing small forward we have no business picking him if we have championship aspirations. Too many teams structurally spoilt leading to playoff loses even if they have talent. Carmelo at Pf, Griffin...etc and bennet isn't better than those guys so he'll be as structurally unsound despite talent