Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[Kanyewest]

Let's not forget that we were a game away from being sacrificial lambs for the Heat. We were fighting the Cats for playoff position and they beat us twice in the last 10 games. Luckily they managed to lose to a tanking Boston team.

Over the short term luck can have a big effect on a teams results. Over the long term luck evens out and over the long term EG has been garbage.

Wizards have been unlucky enough to play LeBron 3 times in the playoffs in the first round- so not playing LeBron this year in the first round balances out.

Lebron's Cavs teams were not as imposing as his Heat teams. And aging Big Z and Daniel Gibson aren't as tough as Wade/Bosh. That is why the Cavs were the 4th seed in 2 of those seasons.

I agree that this year's Miami's team is better. Still, the Cavs were a 3rd seed essentially in 2006. The Nets were the 3rd seed but only due the fact they were in the Atlantic division. Plus the Heat had Wade/Shaq and the Pistons were a 64 win team with a starting five that had won the NBA Championship, which that Cleveland team eventually took to 7 games.

The point being is that the Wizards finally got a favorable first round matchup, where they had the best player in the series, so their chances of advancing look greater. This year they have been lucky their postseason matchups not so much especially since they had to go against LeBron and had to deal with injuries a couple times with Gilbert and a few times with Butler.

Luck has had a factor if the Wizards advance against the Bulls who are without Derrick Rose and IMO wouldn't have traded Deng had Rose been healthy. Still, injuries are part of the game as Wizard fans are well familiar with.

[tontoz]

Wizards have been unlucky enough to play LeBron 3 times in the playoffs in the first round- so not playing LeBron this year in the first round balances out.

Lebron's Cavs teams were not as imposing as his Heat teams. And aging Big Z and Daniel Gibson aren't as tough as Wade/Bosh. That is why the Cavs were the 4th seed in 2 of those seasons.

I agree that this year's Miami's team is better. Still, the Cavs were a 3rd seed essentially in 2006. The Nets were the 3rd seed but only due the fact they were in the Atlantic division. Plus the Heat had Wade/Shaq and the Pistons were a 64 win team with a starting five that had won the NBA Championship, which that Cleveland team eventually took to 7 games.

The point being is that the Wizards finally got a favorable first round matchup, where they had the best player in the series, so their chances of advancing look greater. This year they have been lucky their postseason matchups not so much especially since they had to go against LeBron and had to deal with injuries a couple times with Gilbert and a few times with Butler.

Luck has had a factor if the Wizards advance against the Bulls who are without Derrick Rose and IMO wouldn't have traded Deng had Rose been healthy. Still, injuries are part of the game as Wizard fans are well familiar with.

The Bulls lost Rose for the season but still have home court advantage in the first round. When have the Wizards ever had home court in the first round? Could the difference between a quality organization and a bad one be any more clear than that?

[Kanyewest]

The Bulls lost Rose for the season but still have home court advantage in the first round. When have the Wizards ever had home court in the first round? Could the difference between a quality organization and a bad one be any more clear than that?

Homecourt advantage doesn't matter. It's advancing in the playoffs- the Wizards haven't done much lately but if they get to the conference finals that's a good start.

[tontoz]

The Bulls lost Rose for the season but still have home court advantage in the first round. When have the Wizards ever had home court in the first round? Could the difference between a quality organization and a bad one be any more clear than that?

Homecourt advantage doesn't matter. It's advancing in the playoffs- the Wizards haven't done much lately but if they get to the conference finals that's a good start.

Homecourt advantage absolutely does matter. When a series goes 7 games the home team has a big advantage.

It also matters that this team went 10 seasons without being higher than a 5th seed.

[Kanyewest]

Homecourt advantage absolutely does matter. When a series goes 7 games the home team has a big advantage.

It also matters that this team went 10 seasons without being higher than a 5th seed.

It matters in terms of advancing. But advancing is more important. If the Wizards want to fire EG because he didn't have homecourt against the Bulls but they advance, that would be stupid.

If the Wizards want to fire EG for Jan Vesely and the 2009 draft, that's another matter.

[DCZards]

Homecourt advantage absolutely does matter. When a series goes 7 games the home team has a big advantage.

It also matters that this team went 10 seasons without being higher than a 5th seed.

Man, Tontoz, you sound like one frustrated dude. Is it that hard for you to enjoy the fact the Zards are playing well and winning...regardless of who the GM is?

[tontoz]

Homecourt advantage absolutely does matter. When a series goes 7 games the home team has a big advantage.

It also matters that this team went 10 seasons without being higher than a 5th seed.

It matters in terms of advancing. But advancing is more important. If the Wizards want to fire EG because he didn't have homecourt against the Bulls but they advance, that would be stupid.

If the Wizards want to fire EG for Jan Vesely and the 2009 draft, that's another matter.

The reason to fire EG is his piss poor track record over 10 years. The fact that the Wizards have never had home court over that time is just another example of his failure.

It is a credit to the Bulls that they managed to get home court in the first round in spite of missing Rose for the entire season. And they are in much better shape than us going forward regardless of what happens in this series.

[tontoz]

Homecourt advantage absolutely does matter. When a series goes 7 games the home team has a big advantage.

It also matters that this team went 10 seasons without being higher than a 5th seed.

Man, Tontoz, you sound like one frustrated dude. Is it that hard for you to enjoy the fact the Zards are playing well and winning...regardless of who the GM is?

I think you are confused. Did you forget what thread you are posting in?

I am glad they are winning. What i don't like is people using this run as some kind of justification for keeping EG as a GM.

You said yourself that you wanted EG replaced. Are you now changing your stance because they are up 3-1?

[Kanyewest]

Homecourt advantage absolutely does matter. When a series goes 7 games the home team has a big advantage.

It also matters that this team went 10 seasons without being higher than a 5th seed.

It matters in terms of advancing. But advancing is more important. If the Wizards want to fire EG because he didn't have homecourt against the Bulls but they advance, that would be stupid.

If the Wizards want to fire EG for Jan Vesely and the 2009 draft, that's another matter.

The reason to fire EG is his piss poor track record over 10 years. The fact that the Wizards have never had home court over that time is just another example of his failure.

It is a credit to the Bulls that they managed to get home court in the first round in spite of missing Rose for the entire season. And they are in much better shape than us going forward regardless of what happens in this series.

I'm not as sure as you. They have a good head coach but it remains to be seen if Derrick Rose can get back to 100%.

[tontoz]

I'm not as sure as you. They have a good head coach but it remains to be seen if Derrick Rose can get back to 100%.

They will have 2 first round picks in this draft. They have Mirotic who might come over. They will have a ton of cap space after the likely amnestying of Boozer. And if Rose comes back at even 80% he will be a huge upgrade.

[DCZards]

Homecourt advantage absolutely does matter. When a series goes 7 games the home team has a big advantage.

It also matters that this team went 10 seasons without being higher than a 5th seed.

Man, Tontoz, you sound like one frustrated dude. Is it that hard for you to enjoy the fact the Zards are playing well and winning...regardless of who the GM is?

I think you are confused. Did you forget what thread you are posting in?

I am glad they are winning. What i don't like is people using this run as some kind of justification for keeping EG as a GM.

You said yourself that you wanted EG replaced. Are you now changing your stace because they are up 3-1?

Yes, I've said I'd like to see EG replaced as GM...and still do. I think it's time for some new blood in that position. But I don't necessarily think he should be fired, especially given that he's put together a team that I'm pretty happy with at this point. I've suggested that EG be given another position in the Zards organization...unless he decides to leave or retire.

[tontoz]

Yes, I've said I'd like to see EG replaced as GM...and still do. I think it's time for some new blood in that position. But I don't necessarily think he should be fired, especially given that he's put together a team that I'm pretty happy with at this point. I've suggested that EG be given another position in the Zards organization...unless he decides to leave or retire.

I wonder if you would be as happy with the team if they were playing Miami, which very nearly happened due to their inability to beat the Bobcats.

They don't need to fire him. Just don't resign him. After 10 years on the job i don't think getting past the first round, assuming we do, is a good enough reason for another contract, especially given the big question marks (and lack of a draft pick) that the team will have to deal with this summer.

EG has made one short term move after another in a desperation attempt to keep his job. Meanwhile the Bulls traded away Deng for nothing just to clear cap. EG has gone all out trying to win now while Bulls management is looking down the road. Is beating them in a series really that big a deal?

[dckingsfan]

Yes, I've said I'd like to see EG replaced as GM...and still do. I think it's time for some new blood in that position. But I don't necessarily think he should be fired, especially given that he's put together a team that I'm pretty happy with at this point. I've suggested that EG be given another position in the Zards organization...unless he decides to leave or retire.

I wonder if you would be as happy with the team if they were playing Miami, which very nearly happened due to their inability to beat the Bobcats.

They don't need to fire him. Just don't resign him. After 10 years on the job i don't think getting past the first round, assuming we do, is a good enough reason for another contract, especially given the big question marks (and lack of a draft pick) that the team will have to deal with this summer.

EG has made one short term move after another in a desperation attempt to keep his job. Meanwhile the Bulls traded away Deng for nothing just to clear cap. EG has gone all out trying to win now while Bulls management is looking down the road. Is beating them in a series really that big a deal?

The Bulls will be able to amnesty Boozer, have two first round picks and will get Rose back next year. So, yes - they were playing chess - EG is playing checkers.

Having said that, no guarantee that Rose will come back to where he was. But if they could secure Melo, a Rose/Butler/Melo/Gibson/Noah starting 5 wouldn't be bad. With Dunleavy/Snell/First round pick/First round pick/ + MLE seems pretty appealing moving forward.

[Kanyewest]

I'm not as sure as you. They have a good head coach but it remains to be seen if Derrick Rose can get back to 100%.

They will have 2 first round picks in this draft. They have Mirotic who might come over. They will have a ton of cap space after the likely amnestying of Boozer. And if Rose comes back at even 80% he will be a huge upgrade.

I agree the Bulls record in the draft with picks outside the top 5 has been better. I hope Rose comes back at 100% but I don't think this is a given.

[hands11]

The Bobcats

10 years of building. And still zero playoff wins.

Now if thats not returning to relevancy, I don't know what is.

[hands11]

Nope. Not performance art Nivek.

Why do people try to come up with this kind of take for other posters? I saw someone do it for Lyrical.

How about ... he is just posting as a fan about how he see things and he doesn't agree with the negative spin some here put on almost everything.

Nothing more. Nothing less. Not a troll. Not performance art. Just a fan that isn't as jaded as most of us here.

Oh really?

milellie111 wrote:
Ted is cheap. He wont even get us a legitimate coach. Theres plenty of qualified coaches out there but of course he doesnt want to pay. Randy Whittman is a reject and a loser and has no business leading any NBA franchise (except for the Wizards). Randy Whittman WOULD NOT be coaching or considered as a coach for any other team EXCEPT for the Wizards. From wikipedia "Wittman then served as head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers for two seasons, (1999–2001), compiling a record of 62-102.On December 8, 2008, club owner Glen Taylor fired Wittman after a 4-19 start, asking Kevin McHale to step in." Just because Whitman is a so called "tough guy disciplinarian" doesnt make him a coach. I guarantee you a good legitimate NBA coach can get more and develop vessely, booker and singleton better than someone who is not qualified. But of course, all of this starts from the top and it doesnt seem as if Ted really cares about this team being serious. Seems to me he's just another fat rich guy who was bored and wanted a hobby so he decided to buy a basketball team to play around with.

milellie111 wrote:
Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster. Not to mention our "elite" franchise savior point guard who we will most likely give a max deal to, cant shoot outside of 15 feet while other teams pgs are knocking down threes.

And he already addressed that. Wow. I wonder how hard it would be to dig up posts you did that conflict.

Milli's just having some fun flaming the people that have flamed this board for years and still do to this day.

[hands11]

Let's not forget that we were a game away from being sacrificial lambs for the Heat. We were fighting the Cats for playoff position and they beat us twice in the last 10 games. Luckily they managed to lose to a tanking Boston team.

Over the short term luck can have a big effect on a teams results. Over the long term luck evens out and over the long term EG has been garbage.

Look. You can't argue two ways depending on what suits you. Well you can, but you have to get behind PIF. He has that market cornered. You can't be all ... its just the numbers for years and everything sucks because... look at the record.. And now that they have good numbers its but they are just lucky.

Good luck.. Bad luck.. It happens. Fact of the matter is, the team has been better and better for several years and because of bad luck, it wasn't showing up in the season record. But we knew that.

Yes, BRK tanking to give us the CHI match up was ideal. Is that the match up you wanted ?

Everyone agrees GMs make bone headed moves and nothing says that more then the Maynor signing and two years of floundering over a back up PG. Even had Livingston at one point.

But the Nene deal.
The TA/Okafor deal
The Okafor and a protected first for Gortat ( looking good and will look great when the resign him)

They were good moves. Not the POS moves so many said they were.

A GM is always judged by their last move. And lots of times, you can't tell if the move was really good one way or another for at least a year or two. Moves that look good, end up not being and moves that some thinks are bad, turn out good.

And even though right now, the moves look good, there is still more to do. And whatever they do, I'm sure people will hate it. Right into rounds 2 of the playoffs. LOL

For a team that he been cursed ( really it was just Abe being a crappy owner ) I'll take some luck.

[Brenice]

And even though right now, the moves look good, there is still more to do. And whatever he does, I'm sure people will hate it. Right into rounds 2 of the playoffs. LOL

A second round that looks like the opponent very likely could be Atlanta and the Wizards would have what Tontoz will be happy to see...HOME COURT ADVANTAGE.

[FreeBalling]

Homecourt advantage absolutely does matter. When a series goes 7 games the home team has a big advantage.

It also matters that this team went 10 seasons without being higher than a 5th seed.

Man, Tontoz, you sound like one frustrated dude. Is it that hard for you to enjoy the fact the Zards are playing well and winning...regardless of who the GM is?

I think you are confused. Did you forget what thread you are posting in?

I am glad they are winning. What i don't like is people using this run as some kind of justification for keeping EG as a GM.

You said yourself that you wanted EG replaced. Are you now changing your stance because they are up 3-1?

The playoffs so far has been fun to watch. This is an EG built team and the team plays well together. I think there is a good chance we can win the next round of playoff games. You know without the Gortat trade EG is PROBABLY gone in the off season.

Hypothetically, if you knew two weeks before the season started, that picking up Gortat would get the Wizards to the ECF, however, EG would get a new contract. Would you make that trade? I'd love to hear your answer tontoz.

[tontoz]

The playoffs so far has been fun to watch. This is an EG built team and the team plays well together. I think there is a good chance we can win the next round of playoff games. You know without the Gortat trade EG is PROBABLY gone in the off season.

Hypothetically, if you knew two weeks before the season started, that picking up Gortat would get the Wizards to the ECF, however, EG would get a new contract. Would you make that trade? I'd love to hear your answer tontoz.

No. The "end justifies the means" argument is always a weak one, especially in this case. A historically weak conference doesn't make the trade better. And we were one game away from being the Cats, who won the season series against us.