Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[LyricalRico]

How about this Blakebuster?

Clippers trade: Blake Griffin
Clippers receive Al Horford, Otto, Sessions

Horford is a fantastic fit in LA. He can play the 4 with next to Jordan, or slide to the 5 when Jordan's FT shooting becomes a problem. He's a free agent, so there's some risk -- but you trust CP3, PP, Doc and Ballmer to keep him in LA. Porter is a young swiss army knife that really helps them on the wings, and comfortable with Pierce. Sessions is a massive upgrade over Rivers. Overall this makes the Clippers better and pries their contention window open for longer.

Hawks trade: Horford
Hawks receive: Beal, Drew Gooden

While Beal may have his questions, he's a fantastic return for an expiring big man who seems unlikely to return. ATL saw up close how good Beal can be, and with a coach like Bud, a young running mate in Schroeder, and a mentor like Korver, he should blossom.

Wizards trade: Beal, Porter, Sessions, Gooden
Wizards receive: Griffin

The Wiz get a bona fide star to play with Wall. They rev the hell out of their tank (Blake's hand is taking longer to heal than we expected) and go into the offseason season with a dynamic duo, Gortat, Oubre, a lottery pick and even more cap space. Sorry to see Beal and Otto go, but you have to give to get, and Wall and Griffin are the same age.

Very interesting, fish. LAC gets solid value for Blake (you never truly get equal value for a star). But I think ATL gets too little and we get too much. At the very least we need to send a first to the Hawks IMO, but even with that it still feels incomplete. Great basic idea, though.

[dckingsfan]

13 days to go...

[Ruzious]

fish, if I were the Clippers, I would cut Atlanta out of the deal in your trade scenario and just trade for Beal. Rather have him than Horford at this point in Horford's career, especially since I'd already have Jordan locked up long term.

Here's an interesting question: let's say the Clippers agree to the offer in that twitter rumor. Would you all take the deal if it meant watching two and three seeds and ECF appearances for the next three years, but also meant that Ernie would keep his job for the next four or five?

I think you need a 3rd team, because why would the Clips trade for Beal. They would need forward(s) - not another shooting guard.

[fishercob]

fish, if I were the Clippers, I would cut Atlanta out of the deal in your trade scenario and just trade for Beal. Rather have him than Horford at this point in Horford's career, especially since I'd already have Jordan locked up long term.

Here's an interesting question: let's say the Clippers agree to the offer in that twitter rumor. Would you all take the deal if it meant watching two and three seeds and ECF appearances for the next three years, but also meant that Ernie would keep his job for the next four or five?

Couldn't disagree more. They have a star SG in Redick and would need a replacement for Blake if they deal him. Horford is just 29.

[stevemcqueen1]

fish, if I were the Clippers, I would cut Atlanta out of the deal in your trade scenario and just trade for Beal. Rather have him than Horford at this point in Horford's career, especially since I'd already have Jordan locked up long term.

Here's an interesting question: let's say the Clippers agree to the offer in that twitter rumor. Would you all take the deal if it meant watching two and three seeds and ECF appearances for the next three years, but also meant that Ernie would keep his job for the next four or five?

Couldn't disagree more. They have a star SG in Redick and would need a replacement for Blake if they deal him. Horford is just 29.

Redick is not a star SG. He's a great catch and shoot three ball shooter and nothing else. He's also 31. And he doesn't play starter's minutes now. Beal could come in and replicate his production immediately and then give them so much more down the line.

The point of trading for Beal is the hope that you're getting a future All Star in exchange for Blake. Getting an All Star forward back for Griffin would be great, but if one isn't out there, then getting any sort of major talent becomes a victory. Also, having Jordan at C greatly increases their flexibility at PF because he is such a great rim protector and rebounder. They could play small ball.

Also, Horford is a 29 year old that will have 20,000 minutes on his legs by the end of this season. It's a good bet that he's going to start declining very soon. If one of the big motivations for trading Griffin is to set themselves up with long term options because they're worried about how Griffin will age, then Horford is not appealing.

[Ruzious]

Steve, there's absolutely no way they'd want Beal now in a trade for Blake - especially when they have so little at the forwards - especially PF. They're trying to win now. And at this point, Redick is a GREAT fit for them, and he can play more minutes - if need be. He stays in phenominal shape and should have a few more years where he continues to fit GREAT for them. And there's no way that Beal would replicate his scoring efficiency.

[Dark Faze]

just get Pau and Gallo and enjoy your trip to the ECF

we can get it done by the deadline if we want

[closg00]

NBC is reporting that the Cavs want to trade for Dudley, what do you think his value is?

[Ruzious]

NBC is reporting that the Cavs want to trade for Dudley, what do you think his value is?

See posts starting in the middle of last page.

[fishercob]

fish, if I were the Clippers, I would cut Atlanta out of the deal in your trade scenario and just trade for Beal. Rather have him than Horford at this point in Horford's career, especially since I'd already have Jordan locked up long term.

Here's an interesting question: let's say the Clippers agree to the offer in that twitter rumor. Would you all take the deal if it meant watching two and three seeds and ECF appearances for the next three years, but also meant that Ernie would keep his job for the next four or five?

Couldn't disagree more. They have a star SG in Redick and would need a replacement for Blake if they deal him. Horford is just 29.

Redick is not a star SG. He's a great catch and shoot three ball shooter and nothing else. He's also 31. And he doesn't play starter's minutes now. Beal could come in and replicate his production immediately and then give them so much more down the line.

The point of trading for Beal is the hope that you're getting a future All Star in exchange for Blake. Getting an All Star forward back for Griffin would be great, but if one isn't out there, then getting any sort of major talent becomes a victory. Also, having Jordan at C greatly increases their flexibility at PF because he is such a great rim protector and rebounder. They could play small ball.

Also, Horford is a 29 year old that will have 20,000 minutes on his legs by the end of this season. It's a good bet that he's going to start declining very soon. If one of the big motivations for trading Griffin is to set themselves up with long term options because they're worried about how Griffin will age, then Horford is not appealing.

Go listen to the Vertical podcast with Redick.

[Dark Faze]

cavs would have to get a third team involved to get dudley

[Illmatic12]

Couldn't disagree more. They have a star SG in Redick and would need a replacement for Blake if they deal him. Horford is just 29.

Redick is not a star SG. He's a great catch and shoot three ball shooter and nothing else. He's also 31. And he doesn't play starter's minutes now. Beal could come in and replicate his production immediately and then give them so much more down the line.

The point of trading for Beal is the hope that you're getting a future All Star in exchange for Blake. Getting an All Star forward back for Griffin would be great, but if one isn't out there, then getting any sort of major talent becomes a victory. Also, having Jordan at C greatly increases their flexibility at PF because he is such a great rim protector and rebounder. They could play small ball.

Also, Horford is a 29 year old that will have 20,000 minutes on his legs by the end of this season. It's a good bet that he's going to start declining very soon. If one of the big motivations for trading Griffin is to set themselves up with long term options because they're worried about how Griffin will age, then Horford is not appealing.

Go listen to the Vertical podcast with Redick.

I listened to that podcast the other day. Clippers have nothing to worry about with Redick's age, he stays in shape year round and even took tips from Steve Nash on how to prolong his career.

Clippers definitely don't need to look for an SG, what they need (and have needed for years) is a talented SF.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Who says no? Gortat, Dudley and Gooden for Kevin Love.

[nuposse04]

Who says no? Gortat, Dudley and Gooden for Kevin Love.

Ernie Grunfeld.

[fishercob]

Who says no? Gortat, Dudley and Gooden for Kevin Love.

Ernie Grunfeld.

I'd give them Otto instead of Gooden.

[TheSecretWeapon]

Who says no? Gortat, Dudley and Gooden for Kevin Love.

Ernie Grunfeld.

I'd give them Otto instead of Gooden.

Hmm, I don't think I'd give them Gortat, Dudley AND Porter. Make it Beal instead of Porter, and I'd probably do it.

[nuposse04]

Who says no? Gortat, Dudley and Gooden for Kevin Love.

Ernie Grunfeld.

I'd give them Otto instead of Gooden.

I probably would as well... but I have a hard time believing Love will deliver this franchise salvation (Or that the cavs wouldn't extort more). Worth trying though since we don't have anything else going for us. You'd have to sign somebody like Biyombo to cover for Love's inability to keep human beings in front of him on defense. Would probably also have to tell the wing players to stop gambling for steals and actually play sound defense instead of **** the 4/5s every chance they get with their dying on screens.

[fishercob]

Ernie Grunfeld.

I'd give them Otto instead of Gooden.

Hmm, I don't think I'd give them Gortat, Dudley AND Porter. Make it Beal instead of Porter, and I'd probably do it.

Dudley is expiring and gone; he's a non factor. It's basically Gortat and Porter for a top-20ish player. I think that's fair value. Porter is good and might be very good, but Gortat is due to decline relatively soon.

[nuposse04]

How bout Jon Leur? Phx asking price on him can't be that high. Would a 2nd and cheap player like Blair be enough? Hell I'll even throw in Gary Neal.

[TheSecretWeapon]

I'd give them Otto instead of Gooden.

Hmm, I don't think I'd give them Gortat, Dudley AND Porter. Make it Beal instead of Porter, and I'd probably do it.

Dudley is expiring and gone; he's a non factor. It's basically Gortat and Porter for a top-20ish player. I think that's fair value. Porter is good and might be very good, but Gortat is due to decline relatively soon.

Dudley is a non-factor from the Wizards side of things, but not for the Cavs. He's a solid player, and (if Windhorst is to be believed) is a trade target for Cleveland anyway. And Gortat offers a lot of value too. I think Gortat, Dudley and Porter is too much to give up. Dudley has value.