Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[GeeWiz]

I know this is the trade thread, but for gods sake Ernie.... PICK UP AUGUSTINE.

The Nuggets game should be enough to show him that we need a different PG

He looks like a great option for a back-up PG. Although I guess it would take a trade or waiving some one to free up a roster spot.

I think I found the candidate:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ee-Surgery

What about Leandro Barbosa? He's been rehabbing & is close to returning. He's a FA, if he can show he's healthy he could be a good pickup on a minimum contract.

Im not a huge fan if Barbosa, plus hes 31 or 32. But for a min contract, why not? Id take a shot on him. Wroten would be so nice if we could manage to get him, though I doubt it.

And the Ariza for Bayless and Ed Davis trade, sign me up for that. Its PERFECT for both teams. Ariza is the 3 pt threat Memphis needs, and we need a backup big and guard.


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[LyricalRico]

Okay, let's put a couple of these deals together. Ariza for Bayless+Davis, followed up with Seraphin+Maynor for Novak, gives us...

Gortat/Davis
Nene/Novak
Webster/Porter
Beal/GRJ
Wall/Bayless

[nate33]

Okay, let's put a couple of these deals together. Ariza for Bayless+Davis, followed up with Seraphin+Maynor for Novak, gives us...

Gortat/Davis
Nene/Novak
Webster/Porter
Beal/GRJ
Wall/Bayless

Now THAT's a respectable NBA bench - assuming Porter can learn the ropes quickly enough to become a useful NBA player. And even if he doesn't, we could probably get away with playing Singleton or Booker at forward alongside Novak. I don't really care which one you label the PF and which one is the SF.

[GeeWiz]

Okay, let's put a couple of these deals together. Ariza for Bayless+Davis, followed up with Seraphin+Maynor for Novak, gives us...

Gortat/Davis
Nene/Novak
Webster/Porter
Beal/GRJ
Wall/Bayless

Yes, please

And we still have Booker, so Novak can come in when we need a three. And I agree with Nate, if Otto develops like he should, that is a quality bench, something the Wiz aren't used to having.


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[jivelikenice]

I like Ed Davis as a trade target. Trading for him makes sense cause he's someone we can probably sign with the money left over after Gortat, creating a 3 man rotation between Gortat/Davis/Nene. Bayless is an expiring who fills a need. All in all a good deal.

[Dark Faze]

Okay, let's put a couple of these deals together. Ariza for Bayless+Davis, followed up with Seraphin+Maynor for Novak, gives us...

Gortat/Davis
Nene/Novak
Webster/Porter
Beal/GRJ
Wall/Bayless

solid, realistic trade option

I like it

[TGW]

I would pass on the Novak deal...he makes too much money for too long. At least Maynor expires next season.

[awolfinwater]

I would pass on the Novak deal...he makes too much money for too long. At least Maynor expires next season.

Yeah, I don't know. He is having a terrible year. How could he fall off so much? I think being paired with Wall will see his numbers jump back up to his Knick / Spurs days. Plus he is only on contract for one additional year.

I'd be willing to take the risk and fork over the extra $1.75mm for Novak. I see it as a much better / healthier option than Harrington for a stretch 4.

[mhd]

Looking at our contract structure, Nene needs to go. He gets paid far too much for missing so many games. He's a really good player, but it would be more beneficial to divide that 13 million into a cheaper replacement, and a good bench player.

I was thinking Nene to NO, Gordon to team X, team X gives us something as a basis of a 3 team deal. Off to the trade checker!

[nate33]

I would pass on the Novak deal...he makes too much money for too long. At least Maynor expires next season.

Yeah, I don't know. He is having a terrible year. How could he fall off so much? I think being paired with Wall will see his numbers jump back up to his Knick / Spurs days. Plus he is only on contract for one additional year.

I'd be willing to take the risk and fork over the extra $1.75mm for Novak. I see it as a much better / healthier option than Harrington for a stretch 4.

Agreed. Novak must be in a system where the PG can drive and kick. With his accuracy and quick release, he's about the best there is in the league at it. He was brilliant with Jeremy Lin. Wall is even better than Lin at the drive and kick.

The other thing I really like about Novak is that he has deep range. Ariza and Webster really only thrive at the shorter, corner 3. Novak doesn't seem to have a problem stepping back to a full 24-foot 3. Put Webster, Beal and/or Ariza at the corners, and Novak at the left wing. Nobody would be able to stop the Wall/Nene or Wall/Gortat pick and roll

[hands11]

If all goes well, the team should look better in a couple weeks.

[Earth2Ted]

More of a free agent than a trade target but- how bout Royce White? Just saw this article at NYtimes.com:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/sport ... sports&hpw

Apparently he has solved the vexing problem of how to alphabetize films with "the" in the title. ("The Goonies" under T, "The Great Debaters" under G).

Wouldn't be right for every (or even most) NBA teams, but the kid has talent, he plays physical, rebounds and passes the ball, and our bench needs talent, even if it is certifiable DSM-IV talent.

I say sign him, let him play home games and road games east of the Mississippi.

[Ruzious]

More of a free agent than a trade target but- how bout Royce White? Just saw this article at NYtimes.com:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/sport ... sports&hpw

Apparently he has solved the vexing problem of how to alphabetize films with "the" in the title. ("The Goonies" under T, "The Great Debaters" under G).

Wouldn't be right for every (or even most) NBA teams, but the kid has talent, he plays physical, rebounds and passes the ball, and our bench needs talent, even if it is certifiable DSM-IV talent.

I say sign him, let him play home games and road games east of the Mississippi.

4 major negatives about White - other than his fear of flying:
1. Poor shooting range.
2. Very short standing reach.
3. High t/o rate pretty much negates the benefit of his high assist rate.
4. Bad foul shooter.

[awolfinwater]

More of a free agent than a trade target but- how bout Royce White? Just saw this article at NYtimes.com:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/sport ... sports&hpw

Apparently he has solved the vexing problem of how to alphabetize films with "the" in the title. ("The Goonies" under T, "The Great Debaters" under G).

Wouldn't be right for every (or even most) NBA teams, but the kid has talent, he plays physical, rebounds and passes the ball, and our bench needs talent, even if it is certifiable DSM-IV talent.

I say sign him, let him play home games and road games east of the Mississippi.

Thanks for the link. Interesting story.

Agree that the kid has talent and fills up the box score. But I don't think I would sign him for the following two reasons:

1) Fit with Randy Wittman. I don't think Randy is a coach that has the patience or openness to work with Royce and his mental health concerns. From the article:

“At this point, we just want to find a team that is open-minded and takes mental health seriously enough to put some effort into it,” he said. “Not because I’m there and nagging them, but because it’s the right thing to do.”

2) It doesn't look like he has the hunger for the game. Granted, I'm making this observation based on the article but I'd rather have someone with less talent who wants to be Michael Jordan. I'm not judging him as a person, just as a player with the Wizards. Again, his quote from the article:

White said of many athletes: “They have to eat, breathe and sleep the sport, and a lot of times that leaves them ill-prepared for life outside the sport. I aspire to do other things, and I have my own dreams aside from sports as well as within sports.”

[verbal8]

2) It doesn't look like he has the hunger for the game. Granted, I'm making this observation based on the article but I'd rather have someone with less talent who wants to be Michael Jordan. I'm not judging him as a person, just as a player with the Wizards. Again, his quote from the article:

White said of many athletes: “They have to eat, breathe and sleep the sport, and a lot of times that leaves them ill-prepared for life outside the sport. I aspire to do other things, and I have my own dreams aside from sports as well as within sports.”

The lack of desire is a deal-breaker to me. While I imagine that it is a lot of fun to be an NBA player, it also takes hard work to be a productive one. I hope he is successful in life, but it doesn't seem like he is well suited to be an NBA player.

[awolfinwater]

Agreed. Novak must be in a system where the PG can drive and kick. With his accuracy and quick release, he's about the best there is in the league at it. He was brilliant with Jeremy Lin. Wall is even better than Lin at the drive and kick.

The other thing I really like about Novak is that he has deep range. Ariza and Webster really only thrive at the shorter, corner 3. Novak doesn't seem to have a problem stepping back to a full 24-foot 3. Put Webster, Beal and/or Ariza at the corners, and Novak at the left wing. Nobody would be able to stop the Wall/Nene or Wall/Gortat pick and roll

Based on your comment, I went and checked out the 2012 shot charts for all players. Man, you are spot on. Novak is a Ray Allen type shooter, can light it up from ANYWHERE. Take a look at Ariza, Webster, and Beal. Notice everyone is above 40% from the corners but less than 40% elsewhere (exception of Webster at the top).

Ariza:

Webster:

Beal:

Now look at Novak! Takes the majority of his shots above the break and nails them at a ~40% rate. Love to see this spacing on the floor for the Wizards.
Novak:


(All shot charts courtesy of NBA.com/stats)

[pcbothwel]

Okay, here is my master trade plan to provide us with a team that can compete for the next two years and then offer a chance to reload:

Wiz Out: Nene, Ariza, Booker, Maynor, Seraphin, Singleton, Harrington = 30.5 M
Wiz In: Randolph, Davis, Lowry, Novak = 31.4M

Mem Out: Randolph, Davis, Bayless, J. Franklin = 25.1M
Mem In: Nene, Ariza, Booker, and Maynor = 25.1M

Tor Out: Lowry, Novak = 10M
Tor In: Bayless, Seraphin, Singleton, Franklin, Harrington (waived) = 9M

Wiz:
Gortat/Davis/Vesely
Randolph/Davis/Novak
Webster/ Porter/Novak
Beal/ Rice/temple
Wall/Lowry/Temple

Why: This gets us out of the extra year for Nene and Randolph’s salary drops from 18.2M to 16.9M next year. This also gets us key backups at PG and PF/C.

Griz:
Gasol/Koufos
Nene/Booker
Ariza/ (Prince/ Miller)
Allen
Conley/ Maynor

Why: They get a bigtime 3&D in Ariza that plays great D and spreads the floor for Gasol and Nene. They also get Nene who fits well with Gasol as Nene has more range than Randolph. Griz also save 3-5M next year.

Tor:
Val/Seraphin
Amir/Patterson/Hayes
Singleton/(Salmons/Fields)/Franklin
Derozan/Ross/Franklin
Vasquez/Bayless

Why: Easy, Toronto saves 1M this year and over 3M next year. They also get a high potential wing in Franklin for a cheap 3+ years while also getting a look at 3 other expirings under 25 in Bayless, Singleton, and Seraphin.

.....BOOM

Should we extend Gortat (3/36M) and Davis (3/18) and sign our 2015 1st (17th - 25th), then we would be at 50M (Or let Davis go and have about 18M in cap space and go for Love) and run with:

Gortat (12M)/2015 1st?
Davis (7M)
Webster (5.6M)/Porter (4.6M)
Beal (5.6M)
Wall (14.7M)

[GeeWiz]

Okay, here is my master trade plan to provide us with a team that can compete for the next two years and then offer a chance to reload:

Wiz Out: Nene, Ariza, Booker, Maynor, Seraphin, Singleton, Harrington = 30.5 M
Wiz In: Randolph, Davis, Lowry, Novak = 31.4M

Mem Out: Randolph, Davis, Bayless, J. Franklin = 25.1M
Mem In: Nene, Ariza, Booker, and Maynor = 25.1M

Tor Out: Lowry, Novak = 10M
Tor In: Bayless, Seraphin, Singleton, Franklin, Harrington (waived) = 9M

Wiz:
Gortat/Davis/Vesely
Randolph/Davis/Novak
Webster/ Porter/Novak
Beal/ Rice/temple
Wall/Lowry/Temple

Why: This gets us out of the extra year for Nene and Randolph’s salary drops from 18.2M to 16.9M next year. This also gets us key backups at PG and PF/C.

Griz:
Gasol/Koufos
Nene/Booker
Ariza/ (Prince/ Miller)
Allen
Conley/ Maynor

Why: They get a bigtime 3&D in Ariza that plays great D and spreads the floor for Gasol and Nene. They also get Nene who fits well with Gasol as Nene has more range than Randolph. Griz also save 3-5M next year.

Tor:
Val/Seraphin
Amir/Patterson/Hayes
Singleton/(Salmons/Fields)/Franklin
Derozan/Ross/Franklin
Vasquez/Bayless

Why: Easy, Toronto saves 1M this year and over 3M next year. They also get a high potential wing in Franklin for a cheap 3+ years while also getting a look at 3 other expirings under 25 in Bayless, Singleton, and Seraphin.

.....BOOM

Should we extend Gortat (3/36M) and Davis (3/18) and sign our 2015 1st (17th - 25th), then we would be at 50M (Or let Davis go and have about 18M in cap space and go for Love) and run with:

Gortat (12M)/2015 1st?
Davis (7M)
Webster (5.6M)/Porter (4.6M)
Beal (5.6M)
Wall (14.7M)

Seems to work for everybody. Great trade for us especially, once Randolph expires Davis could be the PF of the future. Bravo


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[fishercob]

I highly doubt Memphis takes on Nene's contract. I think they'd sooner just take their medicine with Randolph's and get off the hook a year sooner.

[LyricalRico]

I highly doubt Memphis takes on Nene's contract. I think they'd sooner just take their medicine with Randolph's and get off the hook a year sooner.