Political Roundtable Part XVII

[gtn130]

And this is the one part of the tax policy that is a benefit. First, there was lots of cash stashed overseas that was never coming back and never getting taxed. So, bringing it back at a much lower rate is a benefit for both the treasury and local investment.

If I was Trump - this is the part I would push. Now, if he had have also slanted the tax policy toward capital investment at the same time - he would have received a passing grades even if he didn't touch on fairness or simplicity - but the Rs didn't do that.

Sets a pretty bad precedent, though

Which part?

The first part of the tax policy where the US taxes multi-national corporations on their profits was probably a bad idea in the first place (we are the only country that does this). So, lowering the rate and getting something was a good idea and precedent, no?

The second part of the tax policy that doesn't encourage capital investment is a really bad precedent (IMO).

Bad precedent being that evading taxes by keeping your money offshore until you can negotiate a lower tax rate is a good and successful strategy.

[stilldropin20]

that $350B matter folks. Most of it was parked in ireland and paying 10% income tax to ireland.

Those numbers are...misleading.

Don't let Apple's accountants fool you:

Apple estimated that its direct impact on the American economy would total more than $350 billion over the next five years, but how much that goes beyond what the company would have spent anyway is unclear.

[Based on] Apple’s current pace of spending in the United States...it was already on track to spend $275 billion over the next five years.

I call bull crap. That's Apple CEO spin. Apple Corporation is an American corporation. Apple should have been ashamed of themselves or even parking that money overseas. Americans should have stopped buying their damn phones. So he Saving Face in that regard. If he didn't get this tax reduction, there's no way he brought that money back.

"Let me be clear: There are large parts of this that are a result of the tax reform, and there's large parts of this we would have done in any situation."

NPR

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[Jamaaliver]

I call bull crap. That's Apple CEO spin. Apple Corporation is an American corporation. Apple should have been ashamed of themselves or even parking that money overseas. Americans should have stopped buying their damn phones. So he Saving Face in that regard. If he didn't get this tax reduction, there's no way he brought that money back.

I don't disagree. But it's the flaw of capitalism. Cook's devotion isn't to his customers or employees...it's to his shareholders.

That's the first thing you learn in business school.

A number of larger corporations do the same thing.

[stilldropin20]

I call bull crap. That's Apple CEO spin. Apple Corporation is an American corporation. Apple should have been ashamed of themselves or even parking that money overseas. Americans should have stopped buying their damn phones. So he Saving Face in that regard. If he didn't get this tax reduction, there's no way he brought that money back.

I don't disagree. But it's the flaw of capitalism. Cook's devotion isn't to his customers or employees...it's to his shareholders.

That's the first thing you learn in business school.

A number of larger corporations do the same thing.

Agreed. And that's why our politicians and our media. Should put pressure on corporations especially American corporations to invest in American markets.

Trump is doing that. And has been doing that. It's mostly been positive praise for now. But now that he's instituted the tax cut, he can start calling out American corporations that don't invest in American markets and I think that's coming.

And again I know all the Liberals hate Trump space. But this is where tremendous base support comes in. When Trump starts calling out these American corporations that have there capital gains parked overseas in foreign markets. When he calls them out his base will respond.

Because like you said the CEO has a responsibility to his shareholders and when people stop buying the product that will be all the motivation any given ceo needs.

So far it's been fun and games and positive interactions with various corporations. But Trump will flip the switch at some point for those that don't get on board like apple like Comcast. Like nearly all of the American Banks have as well as the couple handfuls of other us corporations that have been mentioned.

Take-home message message our President should be a good game manager, a good manager of talent, a good cheerleader, as well as be able to make the tough decisions.



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[dckingsfan]

Sets a pretty bad precedent, though

Which part?

The first part of the tax policy where the US taxes multi-national corporations on their profits was probably a bad idea in the first place (we are the only country that does this). So, lowering the rate and getting something was a good idea and precedent, no?

The second part of the tax policy that doesn't encourage capital investment is a really bad precedent (IMO).

Bad precedent being that evading taxes by keeping your money offshore until you can negotiate a lower tax rate is a good and successful strategy.

Ah - I thought it would be the bad precedent of taxing offshore profits.

[Jamaaliver]

I call bull crap. That's Apple CEO spin. Apple Corporation is an American corporation. Apple should have been ashamed of themselves or even parking that money overseas. Americans should have stopped buying their damn phones. So he Saving Face in that regard. If he didn't get this tax reduction, there's no way he brought that money back.

I don't disagree. But it's the flaw of capitalism. Cook's devotion isn't to his customers or employees...it's to his shareholders.

That's the first thing you learn in business school.

A number of larger corporations do the same thing.

Agreed. And that's why our politicians and our media. Should put pressure on corporations especially American corporations to invest in American markets.

Trump is doing that.

My issue with this line of thinking:

Trump didn't so much pressure Apple as incentivize them.

He gave them a multi-billion dollar carrot that benefits them more than the avg American.

[Pointgod]

I don't disagree. But it's the flaw of capitalism. Cook's devotion isn't to his customers or employees...it's to his shareholders.

That's the first thing you learn in business school.

A number of larger corporations do the same thing.

Agreed. And that's why our politicians and our media. Should put pressure on corporations especially American corporations to invest in American markets.

Trump is doing that.

My issue with this line of thinking:

Trump didn't so much pressure Apple as incentivize them.

He gave them a multi-billion dollar carrot that benefits them more than the avg American.

You know what would have incentivized Apple to bring profits back offshore? Close the loopholes that allow corporations to park profits off shore in the first place.

[Wizardspride]

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[dckingsfan]

Wahoooooo!!!

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[dckingsfan]

Agreed. And that's why our politicians and our media. Should put pressure on corporations especially American corporations to invest in American markets.

Trump is doing that.

My issue with this line of thinking:

Trump didn't so much pressure Apple as incentivize them.

He gave them a multi-billion dollar carrot that benefits them more than the avg American.

You know what would have incentivized Apple to bring profits back offshore? Close the loopholes that allow corporations to park profits off shore in the first place.

Two things - one is trying to tax earnings from overseas entities and the second are the carveouts.

Why should we tax earnings on overseas profits when other countries don't do the same?

But yes, the carveouts - sigh. That takes us back to tax fairness and simplicity - not something that happened in the last tax policy go around. Or in the last 17 years for that matter.

[stilldropin20]

Agreed. And that's why our politicians and our media. Should put pressure on corporations especially American corporations to invest in American markets.

Trump is doing that.

My issue with this line of thinking:

Trump didn't so much pressure Apple as incentivize them.

He gave them a multi-billion dollar carrot that benefits them more than the avg American.

You know what would have incentivized Apple to bring profits back offshore? Close the loopholes that allow corporations to park profits off shore in the first place.

That's not really a loop hole though. Not exactly. And even if you want to classify it as a loop hole, the way to close it is with trade and tariff policies that make "non" American corporations pay to do business here in the US.

Keep in mind that Any American and most noon Americans can invest their personal wealth into almost any foreign Market.

Nothing Stops you and it's not a tax shelter per se. You are risking your wealth in the security of a foreign market. For Savvy wealthy investors this is not an issue but for Mom and Pop like the rest of us we will likely lose money in foreign markets.

And if you live overseas, you pay your taxes overseas inn that country. Six months used to be the cut off, I assume it still is.

Similarly corporations can move their corporate headquarters overseas.

So this is a " trade" issue as much and perhaps moreso than as it is a tax "loophole" issue.

If I were Donald Trump(right now) I would give corporations 2 to 3 months (at most) to return all of their Capital back into US markets and all of their corporations to return and be registered in the United States and pay their income taxes to the United States government. After that I would hit them with tons of negative press and the media should back him up on it. Now of course CNN and mainstream media will not. But they should. And the only thing that will make them back him up on this issue is if you liberals understand what's at stake here. This is indeed how you close the "loophole". Public pressure. Stop buying their damn goods and services if it's not registered in the United States and they don't pay their income taxes to the United States government.

Then Trump should start to hit foreign imports with tariffs. Until the trade is equalized on a country to Country basis. This is where we hurt China. This will force them to bring even more manufacturing plants back to the United States and we can control which ones for example the dirty smog filled high carbon type Manufacturing we don't have to necessarily bring back.

I'll take this time to remind everyone reading this that Trump is the only person in the entire us that as President has the balls and the panache to pull this off.

And it's the commitment to him from his base that gives him the balls. You guys need to start to see the forest through the trees. There are much bigger issues here than your and my silly feelings.




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[Wizardspride]

Interesting read.

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[cammac]

BACK FROM THE DEAD

Well I'm getting a 1st hand look at the Canadian healthcare system and I guess you can judge by my experience how is would compare with a USA plan? On Wednesday evening January 3rd. about 11.30 I had chest pains and my wife called EMS and they were there with in 15minutes. They checked me out trying to stableize everything. I arrived at the hospital at about 12.30 and was immediately put in a tirage room where blood tests were preformed and my vitals monitored.

The blood tests revealed I did have a heart attack and I was scheduled for more testing in the Heart Investigation Unit Thursday morning where I had X-Rays, EKGs and a Cardiac Angiogram. It was obseved that it was serious enough to require open heart surgury. I was moved to ICU to make sure I was stable where I was monitired. The local hospital does minor cardiac operations like stents but they will send me to a Hospital 30 miles away which specializes in cardiac operations. This morning Sat. 6th moved to medical telemetry ward. I have more freedom have a portable monitor. I have never bought extra health insurance. But my room is private about 600 sq. ft. and has a private bathroom with shower it is one of the larger room in the ward.

The quality of the nursing and medical staff has been top notch and they have carefully explained everything to both myself and my wife. My open heart surgury is scheduled for Tuesday and I will be transported to the hospital Monday evening. Hospital food is hospital food but wife and friends bring in more satisfying but healthy food. I'm sure SD20 would say I'm sucking off the public teet but I still have a productive life left. You also must also remember Canada utilizes 10.7% of GDP for healthcare.
After the operation both hospitals will be getting a very generous donation from me which will more than cover my costs.

In my conversations with the doctors and nurses the biggest problem they have with the healthcare system is people utilizing the Emergency Ward unnessarily. Every doctor, nurse, porter and cleaning staff I've been in contact with are the ultmost professional. I'm likely getting less care than most because I'm mobile and don't require much that much attention.

This is January 10th. I am being moved to the other hospital for surgury in the morning by EMS. I had a delay simply because my condition was very stable and others were more of an emergency. Everything was explained to me and the follow-up care with my cardiologist has been carefully planned. My understanding is that after the surgury my recovery will be 4 to 10 days depending on my recovery. I had a triple bypass I nended up with a triple bypass with excecent results. I was up walk everything stable was scheduled out of ICU but my pulse rate went from 95 to spike to 300. I was skillfully put on my bed and was electroshocked and fine within 10 seconds. The concensus was that they should install a pacemaker. This is Tuesday 16th and operation scheduled for 3.10 pm. But had to be rescheduled till the next morning 12 pm the next day. The operations was swift and professional and out in 25 minutes. I was transfered to a recovery ward and and will be released in the afternoon.

The treatment by the Surguens, Technicians, Nurses, Doctors and rebhab staff has been excellent. I am a particular person so it is a honest acessment. Total cost to me as a patient $0.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Cammac. Many thoughts and prayers heading your way as you recover. Take care brother!

[stilldropin20]

BACK FROM THE DEAD

Well I'm getting a 1st hand look at the Canadian healthcare system and I guess you can judge by my experience how is would compare with a USA plan? On Wednesday evening January 3rd. about 11.30 I had chest pains and my wife called EMS and they were there with in 15minutes. They checked me out trying to stableize everything. I arrived at the hospital at about 12.30 and was immediately put in a tirage room where blood tests were preformed and my vitals monitored.

The blood tests revealed I did have a heart attack and I was scheduled for more testing in the Heart Investigation Unit Thursday morning where I had X-Rays, EKGs and a Cardiac Angiogram. It was obseved that it was serious enough to require open heart surgury. I was moved to ICU to make sure I was stable where I was monitired. The local hospital does minor cardiac operations like stents but they will send me to a Hospital 30 miles away which specializes in cardiac operations. This morning Sat. 6th moved to medical telemetry ward. I have more freedom have a portable monitor. I have never bought extra health insurance. But my room is private about 600 sq. ft. and has a private bathroom with shower it is one of the larger room in the ward.

The quality of the nursing and medical staff has been top notch and they have carefully explained everything to both myself and my wife. My open heart surgury is scheduled for Tuesday and I will be transported to the hospital Monday evening. Hospital food is hospital food but wife and friends bring in more satisfying but healthy food. I'm sure SD20 would say I'm sucking off the public teet but I still have a productive life left. You also must also remember Canada utilizes 10.7% of GDP for healthcare.
After the operation both hospitals will be getting a very generous donation from me which will more than cover my costs.

In my conversations with the doctors and nurses the biggest problem they have with the healthcare system is people utilizing the Emergency Ward unnessarily. Every doctor, nurse, porter and cleaning staff I've been in contact with are the ultmost professional. I'm likely getting less care than most because I'm mobile and don't require much that much attention.

This is January 10th. I am being moved to the other hospital for surgury in the morning by EMS. I had a delay simply because my condition was very stable and others were more of an emergency. Everything was explained to me and the follow-up care with my cardiologist has been carefully planned. My understanding is that after the surgury my recovery will be 4 to 10 days depending on my recovery. I had a triple bypass I nended up with a triple bypass with excecent results. I was up walk everything stable was scheduled out of ICU but my pulse rate went from 95 to spike to 300. I was skillfully put on my bed and was electroshocked and fine within 10 seconds. The concensus was that they should install a pacemaker. This is Tuesday 16th and operation scheduled for 3.10 pm. But had to be rescheduled till the next morning 12 pm the next day. The operations was swift and professional and out in 25 minutes. I was transfered to a recovery ward and and will be released in the afternoon.

The treatment by the Surguens, Technicians, Nurses, Doctors and rebhab staff has been excellent. I am a particular person so it is a honest acessment. Total cost to me as a patient $0.

You public teet sucker!!

Just kidding. God speed! I truly hope your surgery goes well. Best wishes. And good luck. May the force be with you! Get through this and Come back n give the independents (conservatives at this point in time) hell.

All 4 of us. A

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[Wizardspride]

BACK FROM THE DEAD

Well I'm getting a 1st hand look at the Canadian healthcare system and I guess you can judge by my experience how is would compare with a USA plan? On Wednesday evening January 3rd. about 11.30 I had chest pains and my wife called EMS and they were there with in 15minutes. They checked me out trying to stableize everything. I arrived at the hospital at about 12.30 and was immediately put in a tirage room where blood tests were preformed and my vitals monitored.

The blood tests revealed I did have a heart attack and I was scheduled for more testing in the Heart Investigation Unit Thursday morning where I had X-Rays, EKGs and a Cardiac Angiogram. It was obseved that it was serious enough to require open heart surgury. I was moved to ICU to make sure I was stable where I was monitired. The local hospital does minor cardiac operations like stents but they will send me to a Hospital 30 miles away which specializes in cardiac operations. This morning Sat. 6th moved to medical telemetry ward. I have more freedom have a portable monitor. I have never bought extra health insurance. But my room is private about 600 sq. ft. and has a private bathroom with shower it is one of the larger room in the ward.

The quality of the nursing and medical staff has been top notch and they have carefully explained everything to both myself and my wife. My open heart surgury is scheduled for Tuesday and I will be transported to the hospital Monday evening. Hospital food is hospital food but wife and friends bring in more satisfying but healthy food. I'm sure SD20 would say I'm sucking off the public teet but I still have a productive life left. You also must also remember Canada utilizes 10.7% of GDP for healthcare.
After the operation both hospitals will be getting a very generous donation from me which will more than cover my costs.

In my conversations with the doctors and nurses the biggest problem they have with the healthcare system is people utilizing the Emergency Ward unnessarily. Every doctor, nurse, porter and cleaning staff I've been in contact with are the ultmost professional. I'm likely getting less care than most because I'm mobile and don't require much that much attention.

This is January 10th. I am being moved to the other hospital for surgury in the morning by EMS. I had a delay simply because my condition was very stable and others were more of an emergency. Everything was explained to me and the follow-up care with my cardiologist has been carefully planned. My understanding is that after the surgury my recovery will be 4 to 10 days depending on my recovery. I had a triple bypass I nended up with a triple bypass with excecent results. I was up walk everything stable was scheduled out of ICU but my pulse rate went from 95 to spike to 300. I was skillfully put on my bed and was electroshocked and fine within 10 seconds. The concensus was that they should install a pacemaker. This is Tuesday 16th and operation scheduled for 3.10 pm. But had to be rescheduled till the next morning 12 pm the next day. The operations was swift and professional and out in 25 minutes. I was transfered to a recovery ward and and will be released in the afternoon.

The treatment by the Surguens, Technicians, Nurses, Doctors and rebhab staff has been excellent. I am a particular person so it is a honest acessment. Total cost to me as a patient $0.

That was informative and most importantly, I'm glad your recovery's going well.

[closg00]

BACK FROM THE DEAD

Well I'm getting a 1st hand look at the Canadian healthcare system and I guess you can judge by my experience how is would compare with a USA plan? On Wednesday evening January 3rd. about 11.30 I had chest pains and my wife called EMS and they were there with in 15minutes. They checked me out trying to stableize everything. I arrived at the hospital at about 12.30 and was immediately put in a tirage room where blood tests were preformed and my vitals monitored.

The blood tests revealed I did have a heart attack and I was scheduled for more testing in the Heart Investigation Unit Thursday morning where I had X-Rays, EKGs and a Cardiac Angiogram. It was obseved that it was serious enough to require open heart surgury. I was moved to ICU to make sure I was stable where I was monitired. The local hospital does minor cardiac operations like stents but they will send me to a Hospital 30 miles away which specializes in cardiac operations. This morning Sat. 6th moved to medical telemetry ward. I have more freedom have a portable monitor. I have never bought extra health insurance. But my room is private about 600 sq. ft. and has a private bathroom with shower it is one of the larger room in the ward.

The quality of the nursing and medical staff has been top notch and they have carefully explained everything to both myself and my wife. My open heart surgury is scheduled for Tuesday and I will be transported to the hospital Monday evening. Hospital food is hospital food but wife and friends bring in more satisfying but healthy food. I'm sure SD20 would say I'm sucking off the public teet but I still have a productive life left. You also must also remember Canada utilizes 10.7% of GDP for healthcare.
After the operation both hospitals will be getting a very generous donation from me which will more than cover my costs.

In my conversations with the doctors and nurses the biggest problem they have with the healthcare system is people utilizing the Emergency Ward unnessarily. Every doctor, nurse, porter and cleaning staff I've been in contact with are the ultmost professional. I'm likely getting less care than most because I'm mobile and don't require much that much attention.

This is January 10th. I am being moved to the other hospital for surgury in the morning by EMS. I had a delay simply because my condition was very stable and others were more of an emergency. Everything was explained to me and the follow-up care with my cardiologist has been carefully planned. My understanding is that after the surgury my recovery will be 4 to 10 days depending on my recovery. I had a triple bypass I nended up with a triple bypass with excecent results. I was up walk everything stable was scheduled out of ICU but my pulse rate went from 95 to spike to 300. I was skillfully put on my bed and was electroshocked and fine within 10 seconds. The concensus was that they should install a pacemaker. This is Tuesday 16th and operation scheduled for 3.10 pm. But had to be rescheduled till the next morning 12 pm the next day. The operations was swift and professional and out in 25 minutes. I was transfered to a recovery ward and and will be released in the afternoon.

The treatment by the Surguens, Technicians, Nurses, Doctors and rebhab staff has been excellent. I am a particular person so it is a honest acessment. Total cost to me as a patient $0.

But but, aren't Canadians streaming across the border to get USA Grade A medical treatment? In the states they would be rifling through your pockets while you are dying, looking for an insurance card.

[cammac]

BACK FROM THE DEAD

Well I'm getting a 1st hand look at the Canadian healthcare system and I guess you can judge by my experience how is would compare with a USA plan? On Wednesday evening January 3rd. about 11.30 I had chest pains and my wife called EMS and they were there with in 15minutes. They checked me out trying to stableize everything. I arrived at the hospital at about 12.30 and was immediately put in a tirage room where blood tests were preformed and my vitals monitored.

The blood tests revealed I did have a heart attack and I was scheduled for more testing in the Heart Investigation Unit Thursday morning where I had X-Rays, EKGs and a Cardiac Angiogram. It was obseved that it was serious enough to require open heart surgury. I was moved to ICU to make sure I was stable where I was monitired. The local hospital does minor cardiac operations like stents but they will send me to a Hospital 30 miles away which specializes in cardiac operations. This morning Sat. 6th moved to medical telemetry ward. I have more freedom have a portable monitor. I have never bought extra health insurance. But my room is private about 600 sq. ft. and has a private bathroom with shower it is one of the larger room in the ward.

The quality of the nursing and medical staff has been top notch and they have carefully explained everything to both myself and my wife. My open heart surgury is scheduled for Tuesday and I will be transported to the hospital Monday evening. Hospital food is hospital food but wife and friends bring in more satisfying but healthy food. I'm sure SD20 would say I'm sucking off the public teet but I still have a productive life left. You also must also remember Canada utilizes 10.7% of GDP for healthcare.
After the operation both hospitals will be getting a very generous donation from me which will more than cover my costs.

In my conversations with the doctors and nurses the biggest problem they have with the healthcare system is people utilizing the Emergency Ward unnessarily. Every doctor, nurse, porter and cleaning staff I've been in contact with are the ultmost professional. I'm likely getting less care than most because I'm mobile and don't require much that much attention.

This is January 10th. I am being moved to the other hospital for surgury in the morning by EMS. I had a delay simply because my condition was very stable and others were more of an emergency. Everything was explained to me and the follow-up care with my cardiologist has been carefully planned. My understanding is that after the surgury my recovery will be 4 to 10 days depending on my recovery. I had a triple bypass I nended up with a triple bypass with excecent results. I was up walk everything stable was scheduled out of ICU but my pulse rate went from 95 to spike to 300. I was skillfully put on my bed and was electroshocked and fine within 10 seconds. The concensus was that they should install a pacemaker. This is Tuesday 16th and operation scheduled for 3.10 pm. But had to be rescheduled till the next morning 12 pm the next day. The operations was swift and professional and out in 25 minutes. I was transfered to a recovery ward and and will be released in the afternoon.

The treatment by the Surguens, Technicians, Nurses, Doctors and rebhab staff has been excellent. I am a particular person so it is a honest acessment. Total cost to me as a patient $0.

But but, aren't Canadians streaming across the border to get USA Grade A medical treatment? In the states they would be rifling through your pockets while you are dying, looking for an insurance card.

Really a myth yes some Canadians do go to USA for treatment but a minuscule numbers. Frankly I would put up the surgeons who looked after me as world class. Plus staff doctors, nurses, down to cleaners happy and organized. If I needed a hip replacement and had to wait a few months yes I might consider going to USA but fortunately I can afford it. But likely would wait in line.

[Pointgod]

BACK FROM THE DEAD

Well I'm getting a 1st hand look at the Canadian healthcare system and I guess you can judge by my experience how is would compare with a USA plan? On Wednesday evening January 3rd. about 11.30 I had chest pains and my wife called EMS and they were there with in 15minutes. They checked me out trying to stableize everything. I arrived at the hospital at about 12.30 and was immediately put in a tirage room where blood tests were preformed and my vitals monitored.

The blood tests revealed I did have a heart attack and I was scheduled for more testing in the Heart Investigation Unit Thursday morning where I had X-Rays, EKGs and a Cardiac Angiogram. It was obseved that it was serious enough to require open heart surgury. I was moved to ICU to make sure I was stable where I was monitired. The local hospital does minor cardiac operations like stents but they will send me to a Hospital 30 miles away which specializes in cardiac operations. This morning Sat. 6th moved to medical telemetry ward. I have more freedom have a portable monitor. I have never bought extra health insurance. But my room is private about 600 sq. ft. and has a private bathroom with shower it is one of the larger room in the ward.

The quality of the nursing and medical staff has been top notch and they have carefully explained everything to both myself and my wife. My open heart surgury is scheduled for Tuesday and I will be transported to the hospital Monday evening. Hospital food is hospital food but wife and friends bring in more satisfying but healthy food. I'm sure SD20 would say I'm sucking off the public teet but I still have a productive life left. You also must also remember Canada utilizes 10.7% of GDP for healthcare.
After the operation both hospitals will be getting a very generous donation from me which will more than cover my costs.

In my conversations with the doctors and nurses the biggest problem they have with the healthcare system is people utilizing the Emergency Ward unnessarily. Every doctor, nurse, porter and cleaning staff I've been in contact with are the ultmost professional. I'm likely getting less care than most because I'm mobile and don't require much that much attention.

This is January 10th. I am being moved to the other hospital for surgury in the morning by EMS. I had a delay simply because my condition was very stable and others were more of an emergency. Everything was explained to me and the follow-up care with my cardiologist has been carefully planned. My understanding is that after the surgury my recovery will be 4 to 10 days depending on my recovery. I had a triple bypass I nended up with a triple bypass with excecent results. I was up walk everything stable was scheduled out of ICU but my pulse rate went from 95 to spike to 300. I was skillfully put on my bed and was electroshocked and fine within 10 seconds. The concensus was that they should install a pacemaker. This is Tuesday 16th and operation scheduled for 3.10 pm. But had to be rescheduled till the next morning 12 pm the next day. The operations was swift and professional and out in 25 minutes. I was transfered to a recovery ward and and will be released in the afternoon.

The treatment by the Surguens, Technicians, Nurses, Doctors and rebhab staff has been excellent. I am a particular person so it is a honest acessment. Total cost to me as a patient $0.

Canmac good to see you in good spirits! This thread hasn't been the same without you.

[TGW]

Cammac--get well soon my Canadian brother. Always appreciate your insight in this thread. And thank goodness you're in Canada--a place where you're not turned down if you need heart surgery.