Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

It would be a really fun team, but rebuilding and moving Beal is just a smarter path IMO. We need our pick to end up top 10 as well. Paying the supermax to Beal just isn’t an option.

Yes, of course moving Beal and rebuilding is smarter. I'm just looking for decent options given the likelihood that the team will never even consider trading Beal.

It’s not a bad option, but we would still need major help at guard and to rid ourselves of Kuzma. Would Dallas move soon to be UFA Jalen Brunson for Harrell?

Sabonis is way better at the 5 and that would free up some room on the depth chart.

Dinwiddie Brunson
Beal Brunson
KCP Kispert
Avdija Bertans
Sabonis Gafford

Dallas is a good team to trade Bradley Beal 2

[nate33]

Yes, of course moving Beal and rebuilding is smarter. I'm just looking for decent options given the likelihood that the team will never even consider trading Beal.

It’s not a bad option, but we would still need major help at guard and to rid ourselves of Kuzma. Would Dallas move soon to be UFA Jalen Brunson for Harrell?

Sabonis is way better at the 5 and that would free up some room on the depth chart.

Dinwiddie Brunson
Beal Brunson
KCP Kispert
Avdija Bertans
Sabonis Gafford

Dallas is a good team to trade Bradley Beal 2

They don't have the matching salary, unless Porzingis is involved.

[GutUNC]

Sabonis is really good. Indy would definitely insist on Avdija and a first. Probably Rui or Kispert, too, and maybe both. They're trying to rebuild if they trade Sabonis. The only reason they wouldn't want Gafford is they already have a young big guy.

Not sure how it would work with so many highly paid guys though - Beal, Dinwidde, Bertans, Sabonis, Kuzma, and soon Gafford. Maybe they could dump Bertans and Kuzma, but without young guys, draft picks, or cap space, they'd need to fill the roster with Raul Neto's and Anthony Gill's.

Could we include Neto and Holiday and get back Brogdan?

Helps Indy’s tank.

Brogdan Dimwit
Beal KCP
Kuz Kispert
Sabonis Deni
Gafford Harrell

I want to find a way to hold on to and resign Harrell. He is a huge mismatch against most teams’ reserve bigs.

Brogdon can't be dealt during the season because of his extension.

[Dolevi]

We have too many forwards guys, now with Rui back it's a problem.

[BoogieTime]

Saw this on the Trade Board:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-joel-embiid-tyrese-haliburton-deaaron-fox-analysis-latest/

"Use the Kings as an example. Sacramento is now reportedly open to making De’Aaron Fox and/or Tyrese Haliburton available in the right deals, and those aren’t equal propositions for Philadelphia. In all likelihood, sources say, a deal involving Fox would almost certainly have to be a three-team deal, moving Fox to another party in order to get what the Sixers think they need. And while the Sixers like Haliburton and feel good about his potential fit, the sense is he’s not at the level they’re after for a primary piece in return for Simmons, that the Iowa State product would need to be one part in a more extravagant return."

"Tyrese Maxey’s emergence looms large in all of this, with Philadelphia seeing redundancy between Maxey and players like Fox, preferring to keep rolling with the hard-working kid they already have in-house."

This is screaming out to involve the Wizards and Beal in a 3-way trade:

Beal to Philly
Simmons to Sacramento
Fox and Haliburton to Washington

EDIT:
Hmmm. Sacramento might be giving up too much here.

How about:
Beal to Philly
Simmons to SAC
Hield, Haliburton and a SAC 1st to Washington

Fox and Haliburton, or did you mean one or the other?

Philly would be adding to Hali/Simmons IMO, a lot, but I highly doubt Hali is going anywhere. Hali has franchise playmaker skill, with some elite PG attributes in transition and pick and roll. He was putting up 20/10+ while playing without Fox this year. His efficiency and advanced stats are pluses. The fact that he will be a RFA the year before Simmons will be UFA for Sac is big for a market like this. Simmons has no individual offense or half court offense, his impact on the game is very questionable

Morey wanting that has no bearing on how close a trade that is.

But its interesting how Simmons would fit in Washington in a Beal maneuver. Seems like a close enough trade IF Beal agrees to remain. Simmons is such an odd player that its hard to predict how he would perform on a different team. His value though is going down by the day.

[gambitx777]

Saw this on the Trade Board:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-joel-embiid-tyrese-haliburton-deaaron-fox-analysis-latest/

"Use the Kings as an example. Sacramento is now reportedly open to making De’Aaron Fox and/or Tyrese Haliburton available in the right deals, and those aren’t equal propositions for Philadelphia. In all likelihood, sources say, a deal involving Fox would almost certainly have to be a three-team deal, moving Fox to another party in order to get what the Sixers think they need. And while the Sixers like Haliburton and feel good about his potential fit, the sense is he’s not at the level they’re after for a primary piece in return for Simmons, that the Iowa State product would need to be one part in a more extravagant return."

"Tyrese Maxey’s emergence looms large in all of this, with Philadelphia seeing redundancy between Maxey and players like Fox, preferring to keep rolling with the hard-working kid they already have in-house."

This is screaming out to involve the Wizards and Beal in a 3-way trade:

Beal to Philly
Simmons to Sacramento
Fox and Haliburton to Washington

EDIT:
Hmmm. Sacramento might be giving up too much here.

How about:
Beal to Philly
Simmons to SAC
Hield, Haliburton and a SAC 1st to Washington

Fox and Haliburton, or did you mean one or the other?

The reason you would prefer Hali to Simmons is why I would. He has franchise playmaker skill, with some elite PG attributes in transition and pick and roll. He was putting up 20/10+ while playing without Fox this year. Hid efficiency and advanced stats are pluses. The fact that he will be a RFA the year before Simmons will be UFA for Sac is big. Simmons has no individual offense or half court offense, his impact on the game is very questionable

Morey wanting that has no bearing on how close a trade that is.

But its interesting how Simmons would fit in Washington in a Beal maneuver. Simmons is such an odd player that its hard to predict how he would perform on a different team. His value though is going down by the day.

I still think some kind 3 way where Beal goes to Philly, Simmons to sac, and Mitchel, halliburton and springer and stuff coming out way.


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[Ruzious]

Saw this on the Trade Board:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-joel-embiid-tyrese-haliburton-deaaron-fox-analysis-latest/

"Use the Kings as an example. Sacramento is now reportedly open to making De’Aaron Fox and/or Tyrese Haliburton available in the right deals, and those aren’t equal propositions for Philadelphia. In all likelihood, sources say, a deal involving Fox would almost certainly have to be a three-team deal, moving Fox to another party in order to get what the Sixers think they need. And while the Sixers like Haliburton and feel good about his potential fit, the sense is he’s not at the level they’re after for a primary piece in return for Simmons, that the Iowa State product would need to be one part in a more extravagant return."

"Tyrese Maxey’s emergence looms large in all of this, with Philadelphia seeing redundancy between Maxey and players like Fox, preferring to keep rolling with the hard-working kid they already have in-house."

This is screaming out to involve the Wizards and Beal in a 3-way trade:

Beal to Philly
Simmons to Sacramento
Fox and Haliburton to Washington

EDIT:
Hmmm. Sacramento might be giving up too much here.

How about:
Beal to Philly
Simmons to SAC
Hield, Haliburton and a SAC 1st to Washington

I like that second trade a little better, because of the Sac pick, and Fox has been regressing. Might have to have Philly and Wash throw in a little more to convince Sac to make the trade.

[nate33]

Thinking about a PHI/SAC/WAS trade a bit more, and think the actual trade could look like this:

Washington trades: Beal
Washington receives: Haliburton, 2022 SAC 1st, 2022 SAC 2nd, 2023 PHI 1st, Thompson (expiring), Bagley (exp), Len (exp.)

Sacramento trades: Haliburton, Thompson, Bagley, Len, 2022 1st (unprotected) 2022 2nd
Sacramento receives: Simmons

Philadelphia trades: Simmons, 2023 1st
Philadelphia receives: Beal

We then trade Kuzma to Chicago for filler and the Chicago 2022 1st.
We trade Harrell for future 2nd round picks

We go into next year with:
PG: Dinwiddie
SG: Haliburton/Kispert
SF: KCP/Bertans
PF: Hachimura/Avdija
C: Gafford/Bryant

Plus our lotto pick, the SAC (probable) lotto pick, and the Chicago late 1st. And we'd have the Philly 2023 1st in the queue, and the future 2nd round picks from the Montrez trade to replenish our stock. The team will only have a payroll of $91M plus the cost of the incoming rookies so they could buy bad contracts next year in exchange for more future picks.

[pcbothwel]

I like it nate, even if their isnt a particularly top shelf/high ceiling asset. I'd also push Philly to toss in another small asset though (Springer, Reed, Bassey, Petrusev, etc.)
One thing, The Bulls traded their 1st. They only have the lotto protected POR 1st, so its not quite as good...but still

[nate33]

I like it nate, even if their isnt a particularly top shelf/high ceiling asset. I'd also push Philly to toss in another small asset though (Springer, Reed, Bassey, Petrusev, etc.)
One thing, The Bulls traded their 1st. They only have the lotto protected POR 1st, so its not quite as good...but still

Hmmm, that Portland pick is likely to be better than the Chicago pick. Maybe it'll take a few years to convey, but I'd rather have a #16 pick in, say, 2025, than the #28 pick in 2022. One can only develop so many young players at once.

(BTW, that pick is lotto protected through 2028 at which point it turns into a 2nd rounder. So as long as Portland makes the playoffs once in the next 6 years, it'll convey.)

[GutUNC]

Thinking about a PHI/SAC/WAS trade a bit more, and think the actual trade could look like this:

Washington trades: Beal
Washington receives: Haliburton, 2022 SAC 1st, 2022 SAC 2nd, 2023 PHI 1st, Thompson (expiring), Bagley (exp), Len (exp.)

Sacramento trades: Haliburton, Thompson, Bagley, Len, 2022 1st (unprotected) 2022 2nd
Sacramento receives: Simmons

Philadelphia trades: Simmons, 2023 1st
Philadelphia receives: Beal

We then trade Kuzma to Chicago for filler and the Chicago 2022 1st.
We trade Harrell for future 2nd round picks

We go into next year with:
PG: Dinwiddie
SG: Haliburton/Kispert
SF: KCP/Bertans
PF: Hachimura/Avdija
C: Gafford/Bryant

Plus our lotto pick, the SAC (probable) lotto pick, and the Chicago late 1st. And we'd have the Philly 2023 1st in the queue, and the future 2nd round picks from the Montrez trade to replenish our stock. The team will only have a payroll of $91M plus the cost of the incoming rookies so they could buy bad contracts next year in exchange for more future picks.

I think that will be a tough sell for Sacramento. They'll tell you Haliburton needs to be Fox (and less salary ballast of course).

[Ruzious]

Thinking about a PHI/SAC/WAS trade a bit more, and think the actual trade could look like this:

Washington trades: Beal
Washington receives: Haliburton, 2022 SAC 1st, 2022 SAC 2nd, 2023 PHI 1st, Thompson (expiring), Bagley (exp), Len (exp.)

Sacramento trades: Haliburton, Thompson, Bagley, Len, 2022 1st (unprotected) 2022 2nd
Sacramento receives: Simmons

Philadelphia trades: Simmons, 2023 1st
Philadelphia receives: Beal

We then trade Kuzma to Chicago for filler and the Chicago 2022 1st.
We trade Harrell for future 2nd round picks

We go into next year with:
PG: Dinwiddie
SG: Haliburton/Kispert
SF: KCP/Bertans
PF: Hachimura/Avdija
C: Gafford/Bryant

Plus our lotto pick, the SAC (probable) lotto pick, and the Chicago late 1st. And we'd have the Philly 2023 1st in the queue, and the future 2nd round picks from the Montrez trade to replenish our stock. The team will only have a payroll of $91M plus the cost of the incoming rookies so they could buy bad contracts next year in exchange for more future picks.

I think we could work with that. I'd target RFA Anfernee Simons in free agency. With Lillard and McCollum out, he's started the last 4 games and has been doing a Lillard impersonation - averaging 29 points with a .749 TS% and 6.8 assists per game. Our roster would need a shot-creator like him.

[FAH1223]

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There is exactly one month until the 2022 NBA Trade Deadline (Feb. 10), and conversations are certainly starting to percolate even as the entire NBA landscape from players to coaches, front office executives to owners, has dealt with the surging coronavirus cases leading to positive tests, depleted lineups and potential game postponements. On most days, team officials have spent their time managing the franchise’s COVID-19 testing and protocols and have to find time to do other things.

“We’re making sure our guys stay healthy and we can field a team on a nightly basis,” one high-ranking team executive told me recently. “During non-pandemic times, that time is applied talking shop with other teams.”

Over 300 players have entered health and safety protocols so far across December and January, leading to 11 postponed games. This has made for a stagnant trade market — the Lakers traded Rajon Rondo to the Cavaliers, who desperately needed guard help; the Nuggets moved Bol Bol to the Pistons; and the Jazz sent Miye Oni to the Thunder in a salary cap transaction — but dialogue among teams will heat up in the coming days.

Philadelphia 76ers three-time All-Star Ben Simmons remains the biggest name on the trade market, with suitors in the Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento Kings, Portland Trail Blazers, Minnesota Timberwolves and Indiana Pacers among others, according to sources.

Simmons has yet to play this season after informing his 76ers organization, coaches and teammates that he is not mentally ready to play and needs time to work on himself. The 76ers have not been fining Simmons, as he fulfills team obligations such as training sessions and team meetings as well as continuing to meet with mental health specialists, sources said. And yet, the 76ers don’t appear any closer to a trade than they were in the offseason and prior to training camp.

The Hawks are an emerging potential landing spot for Simmons, whose Defensive Player of the Year-caliber play would surely elevate one of the league’s bottom five defenses. In scanning the Hawks’ roster, it’s obvious John Collins — who signed a five-year, $125 million deal in restricted free agency last offseason — and Cam Reddish are among the players who could acquiesce a package for Simmons. It’s unclear whether the Hawks are ready to put such a proposal on the table after making a run to the Eastern Conference finals a season ago.

Collins, however, has grown increasingly frustrated over his role in Atlanta, multiple sources have told The Athletic. His shot attempts per game and usage rate have decreased in each of the past three seasons — even as the athletic, energetic Collins has improved his offensive repertoire. The 6-foot-9 big man has challenged the Hawks locker room on multiple occasions to play team basketball and commit to one another this season. Oftentimes, Collins has felt his voice go unheard.

“I’ve banged my head on the wall a couple of times trying to figure it out myself, there’s really no excuse,” Collins said Friday night after the Hawks’ 134-118 loss to the Lakers in Los Angeles. “All I can say is it’s unacceptable and we have to dig down and do the things necessary to win or this is going to be the result every night.”

Collins, 24, is eligible to be traded on Jan. 15.

76ers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has set a high price threshold on Simmons, and has stated repeatedly that he wants Simmons to return to the team. Rival executives do believe Morey will stick to his approach of desiring a star in any Simmons trade, but what if that offer fails to arrive this season? Would the 76ers hold onto Simmons until the summer? There is also belief that teams are awaiting Morey to lower his asking price before a deal comes to fruition. Teams across the league continue to monitor the situation as it evolves.

More NBA news and notes…

Boston Celtics

The 19-21 Celtics have indicated to rival teams that they want to build around Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown — and have no interest to split up the two All-Star forwards right now, sources said. The 18-21 Celtics appear open for business around other players on the roster. Boston engaged with the 76ers before the season about a potential Simmons deal, but showed no inclination to move Brown.

Cleveland Cavaliers

The Cavaliers continue to discuss improving their backcourt, with rival teams showing interest in a package around Ricky Rubio’s expiring deal and draft picks.

Dallas Mavericks

Isaiah Thomas cleared health and safety protocols and is now eligible to sign with any team. Thomas has played five games over two 10-day contracts this season with the Lakers and Mavericks, showing the burst and scoring ability that made him a two-time All-Star. In his one game for Dallas, Thomas scored six points and dished four assists in 13 minutes, showing elevation on his jump shot.

Detroit Pistons

Several playoff teams are pursuing Pistons star forward Jerami Grant: The Wizards, Knicks, Blazers and Lakers among others, sources said. Grant is sidelined due to a UCL injury in his right thumb but Detroit will have a vast group of suitors for the 27-year-old. Grant, who is eligible for a four-year extension worth up to $112 million this offseason, is one of the most sought-after players this trade season.

Houston Rockets

Teams are expressing interest in Rockets guard John Wall should he become free on the market, sources say, but a trade or buyout remains unlikely. Wall has a whopping $91.7 million remaining on his contract through next season. He is currently not playing for the Rockets after the sides discussed in late November about him potentially playing.

Indiana Pacers

Rival teams are ramping up conversations with the Pacers involving guard Caris LeVert and center Myles Turner. The Mavericks and Knicks are expressing interest in trading for Turner, sources said. The Lakers and Hornets have had a level of interest in Turner as well, sources added. The Cavaliers are among interested teams in LeVert, those sources said, as he would provide a combo guard able to handle the ball and playmaker in the season-ending absence of Collin Sexton and Rubio.

Turner is the NBA’s leading shot-blocker, averaging 2.9 blocks along with 13.1 points and 7.3 rebounds per game Indiana is 15-25 on the season and four games out of a Play-In Tournament seed.

The Athletic reported on Dec. 7 that the Pacers would potentially move toward a rebuild and were receptive to trade conversations around Domantas Sabonis, LeVert and Turner. The Pacers have an extremely high value on Sabonis, rival executives say, which makes a trade unlikelier for the two-time All-Star big man.

[Frichuela]

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There is exactly one month until the 2022 NBA Trade Deadline (Feb. 10), and conversations are certainly starting to percolate even as the entire NBA landscape from players to coaches, front office executives to owners, has dealt with the surging coronavirus cases leading to positive tests, depleted lineups and potential game postponements. On most days, team officials have spent their time managing the franchise’s COVID-19 testing and protocols and have to find time to do other things.

“We’re making sure our guys stay healthy and we can field a team on a nightly basis,” one high-ranking team executive told me recently. “During non-pandemic times, that time is applied talking shop with other teams.”

Over 300 players have entered health and safety protocols so far across December and January, leading to 11 postponed games. This has made for a stagnant trade market — the Lakers traded Rajon Rondo to the Cavaliers, who desperately needed guard help; the Nuggets moved Bol Bol to the Pistons; and the Jazz sent Miye Oni to the Thunder in a salary cap transaction — but dialogue among teams will heat up in the coming days.

Philadelphia 76ers three-time All-Star Ben Simmons remains the biggest name on the trade market, with suitors in the Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento Kings, Portland Trail Blazers, Minnesota Timberwolves and Indiana Pacers among others, according to sources.

Simmons has yet to play this season after informing his 76ers organization, coaches and teammates that he is not mentally ready to play and needs time to work on himself. The 76ers have not been fining Simmons, as he fulfills team obligations such as training sessions and team meetings as well as continuing to meet with mental health specialists, sources said. And yet, the 76ers don’t appear any closer to a trade than they were in the offseason and prior to training camp.

The Hawks are an emerging potential landing spot for Simmons, whose Defensive Player of the Year-caliber play would surely elevate one of the league’s bottom five defenses. In scanning the Hawks’ roster, it’s obvious John Collins — who signed a five-year, $125 million deal in restricted free agency last offseason — and Cam Reddish are among the players who could acquiesce a package for Simmons. It’s unclear whether the Hawks are ready to put such a proposal on the table after making a run to the Eastern Conference finals a season ago.

Collins, however, has grown increasingly frustrated over his role in Atlanta, multiple sources have told The Athletic. His shot attempts per game and usage rate have decreased in each of the past three seasons — even as the athletic, energetic Collins has improved his offensive repertoire. The 6-foot-9 big man has challenged the Hawks locker room on multiple occasions to play team basketball and commit to one another this season. Oftentimes, Collins has felt his voice go unheard.

“I’ve banged my head on the wall a couple of times trying to figure it out myself, there’s really no excuse,” Collins said Friday night after the Hawks’ 134-118 loss to the Lakers in Los Angeles. “All I can say is it’s unacceptable and we have to dig down and do the things necessary to win or this is going to be the result every night.”

Collins, 24, is eligible to be traded on Jan. 15.

76ers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has set a high price threshold on Simmons, and has stated repeatedly that he wants Simmons to return to the team. Rival executives do believe Morey will stick to his approach of desiring a star in any Simmons trade, but what if that offer fails to arrive this season? Would the 76ers hold onto Simmons until the summer? There is also belief that teams are awaiting Morey to lower his asking price before a deal comes to fruition. Teams across the league continue to monitor the situation as it evolves.

More NBA news and notes…

Boston Celtics

The 19-21 Celtics have indicated to rival teams that they want to build around Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown — and have no interest to split up the two All-Star forwards right now, sources said. The 18-21 Celtics appear open for business around other players on the roster. Boston engaged with the 76ers before the season about a potential Simmons deal, but showed no inclination to move Brown.

Cleveland Cavaliers

The Cavaliers continue to discuss improving their backcourt, with rival teams showing interest in a package around Ricky Rubio’s expiring deal and draft picks.

Dallas Mavericks

Isaiah Thomas cleared health and safety protocols and is now eligible to sign with any team. Thomas has played five games over two 10-day contracts this season with the Lakers and Mavericks, showing the burst and scoring ability that made him a two-time All-Star. In his one game for Dallas, Thomas scored six points and dished four assists in 13 minutes, showing elevation on his jump shot.

Detroit Pistons

Several playoff teams are pursuing Pistons star forward Jerami Grant: The Wizards, Knicks, Blazers and Lakers among others, sources said. Grant is sidelined due to a UCL injury in his right thumb but Detroit will have a vast group of suitors for the 27-year-old. Grant, who is eligible for a four-year extension worth up to $112 million this offseason, is one of the most sought-after players this trade season.

Houston Rockets

Teams are expressing interest in Rockets guard John Wall should he become free on the market, sources say, but a trade or buyout remains unlikely. Wall has a whopping $91.7 million remaining on his contract through next season. He is currently not playing for the Rockets after the sides discussed in late November about him potentially playing.

Indiana Pacers

Rival teams are ramping up conversations with the Pacers involving guard Caris LeVert and center Myles Turner. The Mavericks and Knicks are expressing interest in trading for Turner, sources said. The Lakers and Hornets have had a level of interest in Turner as well, sources added. The Cavaliers are among interested teams in LeVert, those sources said, as he would provide a combo guard able to handle the ball and playmaker in the season-ending absence of Collin Sexton and Rubio.

Turner is the NBA’s leading shot-blocker, averaging 2.9 blocks along with 13.1 points and 7.3 rebounds per game Indiana is 15-25 on the season and four games out of a Play-In Tournament seed.

The Athletic reported on Dec. 7 that the Pacers would potentially move toward a rebuild and were receptive to trade conversations around Domantas Sabonis, LeVert and Turner. The Pacers have an extremely high value on Sabonis, rival executives say, which makes a trade unlikelier for the two-time All-Star big man.

Good grief. I fear a Deni Avdija + trade...I hope Tommy is not that foolish...or is he??

[nate33]

Detroit Pistons\
Several playoff teams are pursuing Pistons star forward Jerami Grant: the Wizards, Knicks, Blazers and Lakers among others, sources said. Grant is sidelined due to a UCL injury in his right thumb but Detroit will have a vast group of suitors for the 27-year-old. Grant, who is eligible for a four-year extension worth up to $112 million this offseason, is one of the most sought-after players this trade season.

Interesting.

Fortunately, our draft picks are encumbered, so Sheppard can't really do anything to cripple our long term future. The only thing he could do that makes some sense for Detroit would be something like Avdija + Bertans for Grant. We definitely would have to send out Bertans (or at least Kuzma) in the transaction or else our long term payroll situation would become unmanageable.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

Detroit Pistons\
Several playoff teams are pursuing Pistons star forward Jerami Grant: the Wizards, Knicks, Blazers and Lakers among others, sources said. Grant is sidelined due to a UCL injury in his right thumb but Detroit will have a vast group of suitors for the 27-year-old. Grant, who is eligible for a four-year extension worth up to $112 million this offseason, is one of the most sought-after players this trade season.

Interesting.

Fortunately, our draft picks are encumbered, so Sheppard can't really do anything to cripple our long term future. The only thing he could do that makes some sense for Detroit would be something like Avdija + Bertans for Grant. We definitely would have to send out Bertans (or at least Kuzma) in the transaction or else our long term payroll situation would become unmanageable.

Leonsis is going to isolate his fan base like Dan Snyder has if they pull something like this for Jerami "Freaking" Grant. I don't know if I can think of a less inspiring move then trading for a injured Jerami Grant. We might as well invite Grunfeld back, too, because that's a move he would do.

I have to believe this is coming from Beal's camp once again like the last rumors involving him sounded like they were. His lackey Mayo has been tweeting about it all morning. And once again he doesn't give a darn about the team, he has us hostage.

What can go wrong with knee capping your future to pander to someone won't commit to you because they want to be forever wooed?

This situations sucks so bad.

[FAH1223]

Detroit Pistons\
Several playoff teams are pursuing Pistons star forward Jerami Grant: the Wizards, Knicks, Blazers and Lakers among others, sources said. Grant is sidelined due to a UCL injury in his right thumb but Detroit will have a vast group of suitors for the 27-year-old. Grant, who is eligible for a four-year extension worth up to $112 million this offseason, is one of the most sought-after players this trade season.

Interesting.

Fortunately, our draft picks are encumbered, so Sheppard can't really do anything to cripple our long term future. The only thing he could do that makes some sense for Detroit would be something like Avdija + Bertans for Grant. We definitely would have to send out Bertans (or at least Kuzma) in the transaction or else our long term payroll situation would become unmanageable.

Leonsis is going to isolate his fan base like Dan Snyder has if they pull something like this for Jerami "Freaking" Grant. I don't know if I can think of a less inspiring move then trading for a injured Jerami Grant. We might as well invite Grunfeld back, too, because that's a move he would do.

I have to believe this is coming from Beal's camp once again like the last rumors involving him sounded like they were. His lackey Mayo has been tweeting about it all morning. And once again he doesn't give a darn about the team, he has us hostage.

What can go wrong with knee capping your future to pander to someone won't commit to you because they want to be forever wooed?

This situations sucks so bad.

I was just about to mention Q Mayo

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[Ruzious]

I just don't see the point in going after Grant - yet another tweener forward. A good player but certainly no star. And his efficiency numbers went way down when his scoring numbers went up. Doesn't rebound particularly well and appeared to be less focused on defense as he became more focused on scoring. 2 years older than Sabonis who others complained was too much older than Avdija.

I'm surprised Atlanta is getting a lot of talk for Simmons - not as much as for them having to share the ball with Trae Young - but with them already having bigs that clog the middle in Capela and Collins.

[nate33]

I just don't see the point in going after Grant - yet another tweener forward. A good player but certainly no star. And his efficiency numbers went way down when his scoring numbers went up. Doesn't rebound particularly well and appeared to be less focused on defense as he became more focused on scoring. 2 years older than Sabonis who others complained was too much older than Avdija.

I'm surprised Atlanta is getting a lot of talk for Simmons - not as much as for them having to share the ball with Trae Young - but with them already having bigs that clog the middle in Capela and Collins.

I don't like the Grant idea either. You don't overpay for a guy that has already broken out to the point that he is overhyped. You want to underpay for a guy that you envision could break out in the future. The Gafford trade is a good example of the type of trade we want.

I don't put much credence into this rumor. It does not fit Sheppard's MO. I acknowledge the need for a true SF, but Sheppard won't acquire him by applying the Grunfeld philosophy. If anything, Sheppard would go after a guy like Reddish who has shown some flashes but might be held back by circumstances on his existing team (just like the case was with Gafford).

I think one thought with Atlanta and Simmons might be that Simmons would also solve their backup PG problem when Trae sits.

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I just don't see the point in going after Grant - yet another tweener forward. A good player but certainly no star. And his efficiency numbers went way down when his scoring numbers went up. Doesn't rebound particularly well and appeared to be less focused on defense as he became more focused on scoring. 2 years older than Sabonis who others complained was too much older than Avdija.

I'm surprised Atlanta is getting a lot of talk for Simmons - not as much as for them having to share the ball with Trae Young - but with them already having bigs that clog the middle in Capela and Collins.

I don't like the Grant idea either. You don't overpay for a guy that has already broken out to the point that he is overhyped. You want to underpay for a guy that you envision could break out in the future. The Gafford trade is a good example of the type of trade we want.

I don't put much credence into this rumor. It does not fit Sheppard's MO. I acknowledge the need for a true SF, but Sheppard won't acquire him by applying the Grunfeld philosophy. If anything, Sheppard would go after a guy like Reddish who has shown some flashes but might be held back by circumstances on his existing team (just like the case was with Gafford).

I think one thought with Atlanta and Simmons might be that Simmons would also solve their backup PG problem when Trae sits.

Really, the only time for them to play Simmons would be when both Young and Capela were sitting. Atl does have a bunch of solid assets they could trade. I could see them as a 3rd team involved - but with probably someone other than Simmons going to them.